[cardinal43]

Tonight the idiots will vote on whether to go forward with the HC bill.

Yep, just keep in mind that the voting will include republicans and democrats, so I guess you are talking about the "collective" idiots.

[Parallax]

Yep, just keep in mind that the voting will include republicans and democrats, so I guess you are talking about the "collective" idiots.

Idiot/politician po_tay_to/po_tah_to

[Ratmagiclady]

This is a poular misconception. Hospitals in the U.S. which receive Federal funding are prohibited by law from turning patients away due to lack of insurance or ability to pay. If your friend had had the same thing happen here, the results would likely have been the same.

Actually, Parallax, that's not entirely true. *Supposed* to be, in many places. Doesn't mean there's a dentist on call at the ER, for instance. And there are horror stories, about 'religious hospitals' being part of the system, then turning critical patients away cause they didn't 'approve of their lifestyle.' They call it 'conscience.'

Even where the treatment happens, the costs come out of hospital budgets, sometimes get reimbursed by a state's emergency fund or wherever, sometimes not... ends up raising the price of everything for everyone, which suits big money fine, cause they get a bigger cut.

Also means that if something happens to you when you're un-covered, someone calls an ambulance, you could end up stuck with a two thousand dollar ambulance bill, that after a lot of harassment by collection agencies, goes in the ambulance company's 'unrecoverable' file after screwing your credit rating but good... making it less likely you'll ever be able to get a job, afford health insurance, or even get a decent place to live anywhere a job might turn up.

One thing about the 'conservative' view of such things is, never do they propose anything that will *fix* the outstanding problems... At most they claim 'Just don't pay for them...' Then you turn around and say 'Everyone who needs emergency care gets it.'

The UK not covering dental (which isn't a matter inherent to 'socialized medicine' so much as making the dental happen) doesn't mean that America would lose all the dentistry care we supposedly have under this system.

When *my* wisdom teeth came in, (Thank the *Gods* they at least came in straight) I just had to suffer for some months through each one.

Yep, just keep in mind that the voting will include republicans and democrats, so I guess you are talking about the "collective" idiots.

But only the true idiots voted FOR the bill.

[cardinal43]

But only the true idiots voted FOR the bill.

Ahhh....how convienent, you think there are different degrees of "idiots". Sort of like being pregnant -- either you are or you aren't.

Ahhh....how convienent, you think there are different degrees of "idiots". Sort of like being pregnant -- either you are or you aren't.

OK then the idiots voted for the bill. The smart ones didn't.