Florida raised the tax on smokes

graphicgr8s · 11-20-2009, 01:30 PM

And there has been a 27% decline in smokers. So I say to all you non-smokers GET ON THE BALL. Florida is counting on you smoking to fund most of the government.

Smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette

pxpaulx · 11-20-2009, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by graphicgr8s

And there has been a 27% decline in smokers. So I say to all you non-smokers GET ON THE BALL. Florida is counting on you smoking to fund most of the government.

Smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette

27% decline eh? More likely a 35% increase in the purchase of illegally purchased and untaxed (in your state) out-of-state inventory.

graphicgr8s · 11-20-2009, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by pxpaulx

27% decline eh? More likely a 35% increase in the purchase of illegally purchased and untaxed (in your state) out-of-state inventory.

Yeah I know. And it is true.

Jasvox · 11-20-2009, 02:38 PM

Meanwhile you are bitching about the possibility of paying for "other peoples" health insurance.

Surely you jest?

Jason

**Ash** · 11-20-2009, 02:43 PM

Perhaps you would like to lead the way graphics.

graphicgr8s · 11-20-2009, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by Jasvox

Meanwhile you are bitching about the possibility of paying for "other peoples" health insurance.

Surely you jest?

Jason

Jason, the funds that were confiscated I mean awarded from the manufacturers to the state were suppose to be used to fund healthcare for smokers with lung cancer etc because those smokers were to stupid to understand the warning on every pack of smokes that said it would probably kill you. So they wanted the manufacturers to pay for the smokers own stupidity.

What has really happened to the money though? Well it is funding sCHIP and helping to balance the General fund here in FL.

I am an ex 3 pack a day smoker. Back in school we called them coffin nails. My boss who is in his 70's remembers in his navy days calling them coffin nails.

A little personal responsibility if you please.

Our government would die if everyone quit smoking. What other addiction could they tax? Pot? Cocaine? Beer more than it already is? How long before it's one of your vices and you start bellyaching?

graphicgr8s · 11-20-2009, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by Ash

Perhaps you would like to lead the way graphics.

No problem. I will get back up to 3-4 packs a day.

Wait. I am a Conservative and think it's wrong for this tax crap. Ash, you're not even in the US what are you bellyaching about?

No way I'd start up again. And I don't care how much they tax beer. Or soda. Or anything like that except water.

**Ash** · 11-20-2009, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by graphicgr8s

Our government would die if everyone quit smoking. What other addiction could they tax? Pot? Cocaine? Beer more than it already is? How long before it's one of your vices and you start bellyaching?

Disagree there.
If everyone quit, the income loss in tobacco taxes would be gained in health care costs and civil productivity - unless of course the govt gains little from people's illness...

**Ash** · 11-20-2009, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by graphicgr8s

No problem. I will get back up to 3-4 packs a day.

Wait. I am a Conservative and think it's wrong for this tax crap. Ash, you're not even in the US what are you bellyaching about?

No way I'd start up again. And I don't care how much they tax beer. Or soda. Or anything like that except water.

That's the way mate!
It's the same in Oz anyway.
Same issues - same result.

graphicgr8s · 11-20-2009, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by Ash

Disagree there.
If everyone quit, the income loss in tobacco taxes would be gained in health care costs and civil productivity - unless of course the govt gains little from people's illness...

Ash, they count on that tax for way way more than healthcare. They use it to balance the budget.

**Ash** · 11-20-2009, 04:00 PM

Probably not in Australia...

Tobacco kills thousands Australians a year – more than the combined death toll from road accidents, alcohol, illicit drugs, all homicide, HIV, diabetes, skin cancer - and more. Tobacco smoking is the biggest single preventable cause of both cancer and heart disease – our two leading causes of early death; and is linked with the seven diseases causing most deaths.

Tobacco is responsible for more than $31b a year in costs to the Australian community.

Tobacco is responsible each year for:
Around 15,000 deaths, including 36 a year aged under 15.
56% of total drug abuse costs - more than alcohol and all other drugs combined.
Over $15b in workplace costs - twice as much as alcohol and all other drugs combined.
Over 750,000 hospital bed days - around 8% of them occupied by children under 15.
Over $600m hospital costs.

You won't be convincing me any time soon that a smoke-free population is less socioeconomically or politically viable.

Parallax · 11-21-2009, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by Ash

Disagree there.
If everyone quit, the income loss in tobacco taxes would be gained in health care costs and civil productivity - unless of course the govt gains little from people's illness...

That gain would then be offset by having to pay out more lifetime Social Security benefits due to the presumably longer lifespan.

**Ash** · 11-21-2009, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by Parallax

That gain would then be offset by having to pay out more lifetime Social Security benefits due to the presumably longer lifespan.

interesting extrapolation.

How about if people are more productive, then local industry benefits, more overseas investment and trade results, more longer term employment, more personal wealth also creating more personal investment opportunities, which finally leads to less dependence on social welfare and further increased employment opportunities.

There are many more ways to generate income and decrease expenditure than by investing in cigarette companies.

res3567 · 11-22-2009, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by Ash

interesting extrapolation.

How about if people are more productive, then local industry benefits, more overseas investment and trade results, more longer term employment, more personal wealth also creating more personal investment opportunities, which finally leads to less dependence on social welfare and further increased employment opportunities.

There are many more ways to generate income and decrease expenditure than by investing in cigarette companies.

Goodness!!! All of you guys have interesting food for thought..........

Parallax · 11-22-2009, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by Ash

interesting extrapolation.

How about if people are more productive, then local industry benefits, more overseas investment and trade results, more longer term employment, more personal wealth also creating more personal investment opportunities, which finally leads to less dependence on social welfare and further increased employment opportunities.

There are many more ways to generate income and decrease expenditure than by investing in cigarette companies.

Its all an economic gamble, or as the carneys would say: "Ya pays your nickel and ya takes your chances."

11-20-2009, 01:30 PM	#1
graphicgr8s Guest	Florida raised the tax on smokes And there has been a 27% decline in smokers. So I say to all you non-smokers GET ON THE BALL. Florida is counting on you smoking to fund most of the government. Smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette

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11-20-2009, 01:40 PM	#2
pxpaulx Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 2,867	Originally posted by graphicgr8s And there has been a 27% decline in smokers. So I say to all you non-smokers GET ON THE BALL. Florida is counting on you smoking to fund most of the government. Smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette 27% decline eh? More likely a 35% increase in the purchase of illegally purchased and untaxed (in your state) out-of-state inventory.

11-20-2009, 01:44 PM	#3
graphicgr8s Guest	Originally posted by pxpaulx 27% decline eh? More likely a 35% increase in the purchase of illegally purchased and untaxed (in your state) out-of-state inventory. Yeah I know. And it is true.

11-20-2009, 02:38 PM	#4
Jasvox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,107	Meanwhile you are bitching about the possibility of paying for "other peoples" health insurance. Surely you jest? Jason

11-20-2009, 02:43 PM	#5
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Perhaps you would like to lead the way graphics.

11-20-2009, 02:47 PM	#6
graphicgr8s Guest	Originally posted by Jasvox Meanwhile you are bitching about the possibility of paying for "other peoples" health insurance. Surely you jest? Jason Jason, the funds that were confiscated I mean awarded from the manufacturers to the state were suppose to be used to fund healthcare for smokers with lung cancer etc because those smokers were to stupid to understand the warning on every pack of smokes that said it would probably kill you. So they wanted the manufacturers to pay for the smokers own stupidity. What has really happened to the money though? Well it is funding sCHIP and helping to balance the General fund here in FL. I am an ex 3 pack a day smoker. Back in school we called them coffin nails. My boss who is in his 70's remembers in his navy days calling them coffin nails. A little personal responsibility if you please. Our government would die if everyone quit smoking. What other addiction could they tax? Pot? Cocaine? Beer more than it already is? How long before it's one of your vices and you start bellyaching?

11-20-2009, 02:48 PM	#7
graphicgr8s Guest	Originally posted by Ash Perhaps you would like to lead the way graphics. No problem. I will get back up to 3-4 packs a day. Wait. I am a Conservative and think it's wrong for this tax crap. Ash, you're not even in the US what are you bellyaching about? No way I'd start up again. And I don't care how much they tax beer. Or soda. Or anything like that except water.

11-20-2009, 02:50 PM	#8
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Originally posted by graphicgr8s Our government would die if everyone quit smoking. What other addiction could they tax? Pot? Cocaine? Beer more than it already is? How long before it's one of your vices and you start bellyaching? Disagree there. If everyone quit, the income loss in tobacco taxes would be gained in health care costs and civil productivity - unless of course the govt gains little from people's illness...

11-20-2009, 02:51 PM	#9
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Originally posted by graphicgr8s No problem. I will get back up to 3-4 packs a day. Wait. I am a Conservative and think it's wrong for this tax crap. Ash, you're not even in the US what are you bellyaching about? No way I'd start up again. And I don't care how much they tax beer. Or soda. Or anything like that except water. That's the way mate! It's the same in Oz anyway. Same issues - same result.

11-20-2009, 03:28 PM	#10
graphicgr8s Guest	Originally posted by Ash Disagree there. If everyone quit, the income loss in tobacco taxes would be gained in health care costs and civil productivity - unless of course the govt gains little from people's illness... Ash, they count on that tax for way way more than healthcare. They use it to balance the budget.

11-20-2009, 04:00 PM	#11
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Probably not in Australia... Tobacco kills thousands Australians a year – more than the combined death toll from road accidents, alcohol, illicit drugs, all homicide, HIV, diabetes, skin cancer - and more. Tobacco smoking is the biggest single preventable cause of both cancer and heart disease – our two leading causes of early death; and is linked with the seven diseases causing most deaths. Tobacco is responsible for more than $31b a year in costs to the Australian community. Tobacco is responsible each year for: Around 15,000 deaths, including 36 a year aged under 15. 56% of total drug abuse costs - more than alcohol and all other drugs combined. Over $15b in workplace costs - twice as much as alcohol and all other drugs combined. Over 750,000 hospital bed days - around 8% of them occupied by children under 15. Over $600m hospital costs. You won't be convincing me any time soon that a smoke-free population is less socioeconomically or politically viable.

11-21-2009, 11:40 AM	#12
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,333	Originally posted by Ash Disagree there. If everyone quit, the income loss in tobacco taxes would be gained in health care costs and civil productivity - unless of course the govt gains little from people's illness... That gain would then be offset by having to pay out more lifetime Social Security benefits due to the presumably longer lifespan.

11-21-2009, 12:41 PM	#13
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Originally posted by Parallax That gain would then be offset by having to pay out more lifetime Social Security benefits due to the presumably longer lifespan. interesting extrapolation. How about if people are more productive, then local industry benefits, more overseas investment and trade results, more longer term employment, more personal wealth also creating more personal investment opportunities, which finally leads to less dependence on social welfare and further increased employment opportunities. There are many more ways to generate income and decrease expenditure than by investing in cigarette companies.

11-22-2009, 07:26 AM	#14
res3567 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Houston Tx. Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,876	Originally posted by Ash interesting extrapolation. How about if people are more productive, then local industry benefits, more overseas investment and trade results, more longer term employment, more personal wealth also creating more personal investment opportunities, which finally leads to less dependence on social welfare and further increased employment opportunities. There are many more ways to generate income and decrease expenditure than by investing in cigarette companies. Goodness!!! All of you guys have interesting food for thought..........

11-22-2009, 07:39 AM	#15
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,333	Originally posted by Ash interesting extrapolation. How about if people are more productive, then local industry benefits, more overseas investment and trade results, more longer term employment, more personal wealth also creating more personal investment opportunities, which finally leads to less dependence on social welfare and further increased employment opportunities. There are many more ways to generate income and decrease expenditure than by investing in cigarette companies. Its all an economic gamble, or as the carneys would say: "Ya pays your nickel and ya takes your chances."