[Das Boot]

I love when something like this happens. There's not a lot of reporting on this yet, but give it another month or so and the government run media will not be able to ignore it. It seems that a hacker has gained entrance into a CRU and grabbed some very damaging data & emails and distributed them for the world to see (>60MB worth). There are emails explaining how temps had been altered because they didn't fit the theory. A hijack of a once well respected journal to disregard opposing theories and refusing to publish them altogether. Omission of a thousand years worth of data because it didn't fit. This is nothing but manufactured science to fit an agenda - plain and simple.

here's the link
CRU has Apparently Been Hacked - Hundreds of Files Released

[Parallax]

Hopefully they won't try to raise this one.

[Das Boot]

I wonder what's going to happen to that gov't backed, DOE gauranteed, $450 million of Al Gore's money that he put where his mouth was?

[Parallax]

It's only taxpayer money; so who cares? There's plenty more where that came from.

[deadwolfbones]

Climate change quickens, seas feared up 2 meters | Green Business | Reuters

OSLO (Reuters) - Global warming is happening faster than expected and at worst could raise sea levels by up to 2 meters (6-1/2 ft) by 2100, a group of scientists said on Tuesday in a warning to next month's U.N. climate summit in Copenhagen.

In what they called a "Copenhagen Diagnosis," updating findings in a broader 2007 U.N. climate report, 26 experts urged action to cap rising world greenhouse gas emissions by 2015 or 2020 to avoid the worst impacts of climate change.

"Climate change is accelerating beyond expectations," a joint statement said, pointing to factors including a retreat of Arctic sea ice in summer and melting of ice sheets on Greenland and Antarctica.

"Accounting for ice-sheets and glaciers, global sea-level rise may exceed 1 meter by 2100, with a rise of up to 2 meters considered an upper limit," it said. Ocean levels would keep on rising after 2100 and "several meters of sea level rise must be expected over the next few centuries."

Many of the authors were on the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which in 2007 foresaw a sea level rise of 18-59 cms (7-24 inches) by 2100 but did not take account of a possible accelerating melt of Greenland and Antarctica.

Coastal cities from Buenos Aires to New York, island states such as Tuvalu in the Pacific or coasts of Bangladesh or China would be highly vulnerable to rising seas.

"This is a final scientific call for the climate negotiators from 192 countries who must embark on the climate protection train in Copenhagen," Hans Joachim Schellnhuber, Director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, said in a statement.

AMAZON, MONSOON

Copenhagen will host a December 7-18 meeting meant to come up with a new U.N. plan to succeed the Kyoto Protocol beyond 2012. But a full legal treaty seems out of reach and talks are likely to be extended into 2010.

"Delay in action risks irreversible damage," the researchers wrote in the 64-page report, pointing to a feared runaway thaw of ice sheets or possible abrupt disruptions to the Amazon rainforest or the West African Monsoon.

The researchers said global carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels were almost 40 percent higher in 2008 than in 1990.

"Carbon dioxide emissions cannot be allowed to continue to rise if humanity intends to limit the risk of unacceptable climate change," said Richard Somerville of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California.

In a respite, the International Energy Agency has said emissions will fall by up to 3 percent in 2009 due to recession.

The report said world temperatures had been rising by an average of 0.19 Celsius a decade over the past 25 years and that the warming trend was intact, even though the hottest year since records began in the mid-19th century was 1998.

"There have been no significant changes in the underlying warming trend," it said. A strong, natural El Nino weather event in the Pacific pushed up temperatures in 1998.

[Das Boot]

Climategate!
Manipulation of Evidence:
I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.

Private doubts about whether the world really is heating up:
The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.

Attempts to disguise the inconvenient truth of the Medieval Warm Period (MWP):
……Phil and I have recently submitted a paper using about a dozen NH records that fit this category, and many of which are available nearly 2K back–I think that trying to adopt a timeframe of 2K, rather than the usual 1K, addresses a good earlier point that Peck made w/ regard to the memo, that it would be nice to try to “contain” the putative “MWP”, even if we don’t yet have a hemispheric mean reconstruction available that far back….

how best to squeeze dissenting scientists out of the peer review process:
“This was the danger of always criticising the skeptics for not publishing in the “peer-reviewed literature”. Obviously, they found a solution to that–take over a journal! So what do we do about this? I think we have to stop considering “Climate Research” as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal. We would also need to consider what we tell or request of our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on the editorial board…What do others think?”

“I will be emailing the journal to tell them I’m having nothing more to do with it until they rid themselves of this troublesome editor.”“It results from this journal having a number of editors. The responsible one for this is a well-known skeptic in NZ. He has let a few papers through by Michaels and Gray in the past. I’ve had words with Hans von Storch about this, but got nowhere. Another thing to discuss in Nice !”

Link

[Ratmagiclady]

It is a recurring cycle caused by the sun and we have no control over it.

Al Gore is a dangerous demagogue who distorts facts to fit his scenario.

Mickey

Actually, if the Sun's output *were* increasing, that'd be *twice* as much reason to cut our greenhouse gas emissions, not an excuse to keep making it worse.

Funny how the libs will try to spin this ain't it. Sure if you plug bogus numbers in the globe warms. Put real numbers in and it don't agree. Too bad slomo ain't here to apologize to me. So will they take algores NPP away? Will he have to give back the money? Stay tuned.

So how big a lie is the Health Care bill? And Crap And Tax?

[Ratmagiclady]

Oh, by the way, the "evidence of the hoax" using cold stress deaths of manatees to say ocean temperatures are falling... Was deceptive. It's not because of ocean temperatures: it's because the warm underwater *springs* they live around are being dried up by human use of the groundwater that feeds them. Thus the especially-warm water they need isn't getting to them in as much quantity. It's habitat loss, not ocean temperature.

Oh, by the way, the "evidence of the hoax" using cold stress deaths of manatees to say ocean temperatures are falling... Was deceptive. It's not because of ocean temperatures: it's because the warm underwater *springs* they live around are being dried up by human use of the groundwater that feeds them. Thus the especially-warm water they need isn't getting to them in as much quantity. It's habitat loss, not ocean temperature.

Please cite proof to back up your lame theory as blue has done for the truth.

[Phil1]

'I am a firm non believer in human caused climate change.
It is a recurring cycle caused by the sun and we have no control over it.
Al Gore is a dangerous demagogue who distorts facts to fit his scenario.
Mickey'

Me too with the exception that Global Warming has been man-aided to some extent.

It is no longer Global Warming, it is Global Climate Change. That way come the next Ice Age, Al Gore's ass is covered. Nice horse change at full gallop.

Ice age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Big Al is now working on selling ice cube credits to offset the warming credits.

[Phil1]

I did witness the change last year in Glacier Bat, Ak. I was there 10 years ago and the change was significant. Here is an extract from the wensite below.

'Glacial retreat is truly amazing when you realize the glaciers here in the Bay have retreated over 50-60 miles since the Bay was first discovered in 1794 by Captain Vancouver. The glacier at that time was 20 miles wide, more than 100 miles long and over 4000 feet thick. By 1916, the glacier had retreated 65 miles from th Icy Strait to the mouth of the Grand Pacific Glacier. there are 16 glaciers - all feeder of the earlier one great glacier - which are considered tidewater, meaning they actually end in the sea. '

Glacier Bay - Glacier Bay National Park and Preserve, AK - VirtualTourist.com

Look again at the time span of the retreat. It started well before autos and a lot of the industrial revolution was under way. In 1916 things were still pretty rural, populations low etc. Musta been the Indian campfires.

[Smirf]

I find it interesting that many Americans acts like the "grim" taxes on petrol in the US is the end of the world. Here in Europe we often pay 3-4 times more for our petrol, and we manage.

[mickeyobe]

Here is a little more fuel for the "Hoax" fire.

RealClearPolitics - ClimateGate: The Fix is In

Mickey

"...in 10 or 20 years time it is discovered / recognised / acknowledged that climate change is a naturally occurring process and that 'mankinds' contribution to it is so minute as to be barely measureable and of little consequence."

I am a firm non believer in human caused climate change.

It is a recurring cycle caused by the sun and we have no control over it.

Al Gore is a dangerous demagogue who distorts facts to fit his scenario.

Mickey

Al Gore is a dangerous demagogue who distorts facts to fit his scenario. And to line his pockets with millions of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$