[Rupert]

Rupert,
that one short statement sums up the problem better any number of pages I could have written. How Dems vote has nothing to do with issues, qualifications, or anything relevent. Emotion rules!

You really are right Parallax, having Republicans on any ticket makes voting oh so easy! We may not like the Democrat, but we know for a fact we don't want the Republican.
*The biggest tax cut in history (98% for the richest among us)
*A war based on lies and one man's fragile ego
*The largest deficit ever left by a US President
*A constant violation of the Constitution, without remorse
*A country near bankruptcy
*A divided country with little hope of unity
*A once proud world leader, despised by many, even its former allies

And you say it is just a "knee-jerk" emotional response? You need to look in the mirror for that guy.......
Regards!

[Parallax]

So, Rupert, what you are saying then is that if Obama had said the exact same things he said and had the exact platform that he had during the campaign but he had been a Republican, you wouldn't have voted for him. That kind of proves my point, doesn't it?

[Ratmagiclady]

So, Rupert, what you are saying then is that if Obama had said the exact same things he said and had the exact platform that he had during the campaign but he had been a Republican, you wouldn't have voted for him. That kind of proves my point, doesn't it?

I suppose it might prove something if that were a) the case and not b) Something to do with the overt GOP platform and strategy?

It still doesn't make the fact that some were simply working from numbers that were already fraudulent (thanks to deregulation which *was* a Republican policy) ...but were *supposed to be good.*


Like when Bush had Powell get before Congress and claim there was evidence of Bush's 'imminent mushroom cloud' (...and besides, you're a traitor and on the side of the terrorists if you don't vote with me anyway...) ...Just cause *the Republicans* backed off.. eventually, trying to make the case there were such WMDs in play over there in Iraq, and connections to Al-Qaeda, and all the other lies....

Doesn't mean they didn't put f'n *Colin Powell* up there to lie to Congress (before he did this and the lies came out, he *had* a very solid rep for knowing what he was talking about by anyone's standards: he in fact dutifully followed orders to *do* it and then resigned in protest) and have them decide based on both false information and extreme media pressure.


So, yeah, a lot of Democrats 'voted for' Bush's war. Doesn't mean they are 'to blame' if they weren't being told the truth about it. Same with the ratings on those mortgage backed securities.

Again ignoring the ACTUAL facts. Deregulation started with Carter. I sure didn't know he was a Republican.

Powell still didn't do as much damage as Frank, Dodd, and the Obama

[Ratmagiclady]

I didn't say that *conservative Democrats* were somehow religiously-revealed-truth perfect, Graphics.

Carter, after all, appointed James Watt, supposed Secretary of the Interior.... To sell off the lands he was supposed to protect... Cause he thought the world would end and Jeezus would come back before his end of term, anyway.

Again, so many liberals wouldn't have protest-voted for *Nader* if we were the DNC tools you claim.

Doesn't put the GOP platform on the same level.

OK Carter wasn't a "real" dem either. Neither was Clinton. Oh brother. But APORN is also part of the problem. They are socialist like you aren't they? They used their lobbying power and the Big O to sue to get banks to make sub prime loans during the CLinton years. Sub primes are loans made to people who otherwise couldn't get loans. Why? Glad you asked. Because there is a 98% likelyhood the lender would never see their money again. Which is exactly what happened.

[Rupert]

So, Rupert, what you are saying then is that if Obama had said the exact same things he said and had the exact platform that he had during the campaign but he had been a Republican, you wouldn't have voted for him. That kind of proves my point, doesn't it?

Duh! He wouldn't have been a Republican and wouldn't be on the ticket if he was, would he? Next.......what if cows could fly, can you handle that, or is it too difficult for you too?
Regards!

You really are right Parallax, having Republicans on any ticket makes voting oh so easy! We may not like the Democrat, but we know for a fact we don't want the Republican.
*The biggest tax cut in history (98% for the richest among us)
*A war based on lies and one man's fragile ego
*The largest deficit ever left by a US President
*A constant violation of the Constitution, without remorse
*A country near bankruptcy
*A divided country with little hope of unity
*A once proud world leader, despised by many, even its former allies

And you say it is just a "knee-jerk" emotional response? You need to look in the mirror for that guy.......
Regards!

I sure didn't know I was rich because I benefited from Bush's tax cuts.
Well the Big O has surpassed that by a wide margin
We were near bankruptcy. Now we are bankrupt.
We're now more divided than ever.

How's that hope and change working for you?

[Rupert]

So you kind of "cherry picked" your responses? That phony war story didn't bother you? Constitution only a problem if it works for the benefit of "other people", not just the elite? And who cares what the world thinks of America....right, other than the fact that we depend on the world to survive and/or prosper.
Regards!

[gokenin]

It's interesting that people just blame those who are in office now for the problems of their predecessors. Short sighted and uneducated people should not be asked to partake in polls. Whether Obama's policies are correct or wrong, no one would be able to fix GWB's screw ups in this short a time frame.

well actually if you think about the fact that the Democratic party actually controlled the senate and the house after the 2006 election. I always find it amazing that Bush/Cheney controlled everything for the last 3 years without having control of either the senate or house.
CNN.com - America Votes 2006 - Midterm Elections
even at the height of the Bush Presidency in 2004 the Republican party did not have a super majority making the the decision making process in Washington one sided

CNN.com Election 2004

At what point do the Democrats have to accept resposiblity for what happened during the Bush Presidency ? There was never a time that the Republican party could push through laws without the Democrats having influence on them. Unlike the current adminstration has.

Election Center 2008 - Election Results & Politics News from CNN.com

The idea that the Republicans ran things unhindered for the Bush Presidency is ridiculous, almost as bad as the idea that Bush was a defacto dictator during the time frame and the Democracts could only sith there and watch it happening

[Nass]

These polls are totally ridiculous. The recession wasn't caused by either. It was greedy bankers and no regulation by both parties. How short the memories are. Seems giving mortgages to unemployed people and then selling them as "secure" might just have a little to do with it. Plus we're not done yet. there are lots of resets coming.

These types of polls are completely bias and would still follow party lines even if overwhelming evidence showed the cause of the recession was because it was discovered that the sky was blue.

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These polls are totally ridiculous. The recession wasn't caused by either. It was greedy bankers and no regulation by both parties. How short the memories are. Seems giving mortgages to unemployed people and then selling them as "secure" might just have a little to do with it. Plus we're not done yet. there are lots of resets coming.

These types of polls are completely bias and would still follow party lines even if overwhelming evidence showed the cause of the recession was because it was discovered that the sky was blue.

Thing is Peter Bush DID try to get regulation back on Freddie and Fannie. All the time Frank and Dodd were lying about their true condition

So you kind of "cherry picked" your responses? That phony war story didn't bother you? Constitution only a problem if it works for the benefit of "other people", not just the elite? And who cares what the world thinks of America....right, other than the fact that we depend on the world to survive and/or prosper.
Regards!

As for the war. The Clinton administration had believed the intel and did nothing. Head of CIA was still from Clinton'sadmin wasn't he? The Russian also believed they had WMD's. As did many other countries. Only thing W did was act on what was thought to be reliable intel from many normally reliable sources.

[Parallax]

As for the war. The Clinton administration had believed the intel and did nothing. .............................................

Not True! He once fired a two million dollar missile into a ten dollar tent, and hit a camel in the ass.

The reason we didn't find them is because we waited too long. We gave them over a month to move them.
The reason we waited so long is because France and Germany were blocking U.N. approval.
The reason France and Germany didn't want them found is that they were the ones that supplied the weapons or components.