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11-22-2009, 12:13 PM   #1
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Health Care for Everyone... NOT!!!!

On Tuesday, the Senate health committee voted 12-11 in favor of a
two-page amendment courtesy of Republican Tom Coburn that would
require all Members and their staffs to enroll in any new
government-run health plan. It took me less than a minute to sign up
to require our congressmen and senators to drink at the same trough!
Three cheers for Congressman John Fleming of Louisiana!

Congressman John Fleming ( Louisiana physician) has proposed an
amendment that would require congressmen and senators to take the same
healthcare plan they force on us (under proposed legislation they are
curiously exempt).

Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go on his Website and
sign his petition (very simple - just first, last and email). I have
immediately done just that at:
Congressman John Fleming : Express Your Opinion

Please urge as many people as you can to do the same!

If Congress forces this on the American people, the Congressmen should
have to accept the same level of health care for themselves and their
families. To do otherwise is the height of hypocrisy!

Please go sign this.. All Americans...
Thanks
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11-22-2009, 12:30 PM   #2
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Force what level?

You act as though 'single payer' is actually at issue, here.

I thought the Republican idea was people should have 'choice,' (as long as there is *not* a public option to choose? )


I'll sign your petition if there *is* a public option. by then.


Otherwise, this is some stunt.

Frankly, I have a *better* idea for a petition. How bout if Congress agrees to have the health care of someone *without* all kinds of money?

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11-22-2009, 12:41 PM   #3
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From an outsiders view;

The fundamental principal behind the Canadian system is that is not "two tier". Now, I'm sure if the Prime Minister needed care, there might be a little preferential treatment, but the system is used by all.

If you start having multiple tiers, you're going to end up with a crappy health care system. The US already pours an outrageous amount of taxpayer money (far far more per capita than does Canada) yet the system still can't provide health care for Americans.

There are pluses and minuses from a centrally run system. Ours (at least in BC) is not totally free, we still have health insurance to pay for, but it isn't the same as in the US (I've also lived in the US). Health insurance is reasonable cheap in BC....but you sure need it if you call an Ambulance or end up in the hospital. This health care is not run like a communist style system.

You also can't decide to get just any kind of care for free (much like the private system....your insurance company isn't going to pay for just anything you decide you want to have done). For example, (I'm not sure if it has been corrected in the US media), but the Canadian lady that the Republicans are using for why you shouldn't have a Canadian style system.....she doesn't have brain cancer like it's touted in the US. Her life is not in danger, therefore she has to wait her turn for surgery so that others that are at risk get the help they need first. Why should a congressman jump the queue past some dying child if he/she isn't at risk?

I have found the US healthcare debate interesting... I think Canadians overwhelmingly believe in their country and their government to be competent and reliable regardless of which party is in power. It seems like Americans rally behind their flag, but do not believe in their government, whichever one is in power.

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I say get rid of all this talk of Public Options, including Medicare. Medicare is socialist. Let old folks buy private insurance. The insurance companies will take good care of them.

11-22-2009, 02:54 PM   #5
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ratmagiclady Quote
Force what level?

You act as though 'single payer' is actually at issue, here.

I thought the Republican idea was people should have 'choice,' (as long as there is *not* a public option to choose? )


I'll sign your petition if there *is* a public option. by then.


Otherwise, this is some stunt.

Frankly, I have a *better* idea for a petition. How bout if Congress agrees to have the health care of someone *without* all kinds of money?
Actually there is one rep that will not enroll in the government plan and pays OOP. And if I recall he is not rich.
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'Frankly, I have a *better* idea for a petition. How bout if Congress agrees to have the health care of someone *without* all kinds of money?'

I have an even better one. Lets put the politicians on the same health care plan that the pee-ons get. Perhaps a few don't realise the socialized medicine congress gets free is not the one the pee-ons will be getting and paying for our elected royalty to have a better one.

Kids, this med system is going to be run by politicians, the same ones that brought you the VN War, the Korean War, and if you didn't like it the Iraq Wars I and II and Afganistan too. The same ones that F%$*ed up the S & L program, the same ones the f%$&ed up the FEMA NO rescue and the same ones that F%^$@ed up the finacial system. The same ones that have f@#^$ed up the immigration system too. The same ones that have not developed a sane workable energy policy for the US and the same ones that allowed 911 and Ft Hood to happen. That should give you a very warm and fuzzy feeling. You are going to love it when the illegal postman comes for your prostrate and pap smear testing. and maybe a cost cutting manual breast check by Manual. Sure it's fine to give Shumer and Barney Frank a rail car full of trillion dollar bills of your money to manage.

My most recent experience with gov't health care was a visit to the County Health Clinic. I was just about the only light bulb there that spoke english. There wasn't an english sign anywhere in the facility. The woman I had to talk to to get a lousy flu shot was suprised a gringo was in there and had a little comprehnsion problem that I expected to pay for the shot service.

Enjoy the ride, it will be down hill.
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Maybe this article will make you scratch your head about the gov't taking on more debt than it (you and I) can possibly pay for:

Société Générale tells clients how to prepare for potential 'global collapse'
Société Générale has advised clients to be ready for a possible "global economic collapse" over the next two years, mapping a strategy of defensive investments to avoid wealth destruction.

Société Générale tells clients how to prepare for 'global collapse' - Telegraph
11-23-2009, 01:41 AM   #8
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QuoteOriginally posted by Phil1 Quote
'Frankly, I have a *better* idea for a petition. How bout if Congress agrees to have the health care of someone *without* all kinds of money?'

I have an even better one. Lets put the politicians on the same health care plan that the pee-ons get. Perhaps a few don't realise the socialized medicine congress gets free is not the one the pee-ons will be getting and paying for our elected royalty to have a better one.

Kids, this med system is going to be run by politicians, the same ones that brought you the VN War, the Korean War, and if you didn't like it the Iraq Wars I and II and Afganistan too. The same ones that F%$*ed up the S & L program, the same ones the f%$&ed up the FEMA NO rescue and the same ones that F%^$@ed up the finacial system. The same ones that have f@#^$ed up the immigration system too. The same ones that have not developed a sane workable energy policy for the US and the same ones that allowed 911 and Ft Hood to happen. That should give you a very warm and fuzzy feeling. You are going to love it when the illegal postman comes for your prostrate and pap smear testing. and maybe a cost cutting manual breast check by Manual. Sure it's fine to give Shumer and Barney Frank a rail car full of trillion dollar bills of your money to manage.

My most recent experience with gov't health care was a visit to the County Health Clinic. I was just about the only light bulb there that spoke english. There wasn't an english sign anywhere in the facility. The woman I had to talk to to get a lousy flu shot was suprised a gringo was in there and had a little comprehnsion problem that I expected to pay for the shot service.

Enjoy the ride, it will be down hill.
Yup, business as usual.
I've come to the conclusion that you Americans are worse sheep that Canadians.
You have a government which, no matter who is in power at the moment, you know to be dishonest on a scale that transgresses sanity and you do nothing?
Why don't you demand some accountability from your government rather than bleat about how they are as corrupt as the one you just put out of business in Iraq?
I mean, it's not like you have a dictatorship going on, right?

Land of the brave, home of the free my @ss.
Or should I say Baaaaaaa?

11-23-2009, 02:24 AM   #9
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QuoteOriginally posted by smc Quote

There are pluses and minuses from a centrally run system. Ours (at least in BC) is not totally free, we still have health insurance to pay for, but it isn't the same as in the US (I've also lived in the US). Health insurance is reasonable cheap in BC....but you sure need it if you call an Ambulance or end up in the hospital. This health care is not run like a communist style system.
Like you said our health care isn't completely free.
Over 6 years ago, when I had several bones broken in an accident I had to pay around $60.00 for the Ambulance.
If I would have wanted a private hospital room I would have had to pay something like $80.00 a night extra. A semi-private room (1 extra person) was also offered at something like $10.00 a night.
Physio or my chiropractor are something like $40.00 a visit. However, now that I'm low income I pay $12 for the first 10 visits.
Perhaps the biggest over all savings is prescription meds offered to low income people.

I honestly wish that they'd also include eye exams every so often here as well. It would probably save the tax payers a lot of $ if people got diagnosed with eye problems before it was too late.
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Being a Canadian, I think that while our heath system is pretty good, there are things that could be improved. In Ottawa (where I live), ambulance service is pretty slow to respond to calls (compaired to other cities), due to many factors. Then again, Ottawa is a pretty screwed up place to live...

However, I do have a nice employee heath plan that takes care of my drugs (when I need them), my glasses (and exams), but not my hearing aids, which surprises me, as where I work, there's plenty of people that wear them, but for some reason our insurer doesn't cover for it. Annoying, but I was able to afford a pair this year (and I make them last for about 6 years).
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Wisdom from Canada:

'Why don't you demand some accountability from your government rather than bleat about how they are as corrupt as the one you just put out of business in Iraq?'

Thank You Wheatfield!!!!!

I might suggest a gov't health insurance that does NOT cover the easy stuff but covers catastrophic issues only. I don't need to pay for a system that requires $15.00 in paperwork to claim asparin tablets or an annual physical. When you can afford to pay for it but have the gov't do it instead, rest assured you will be paying twice as much if you are lucky. Our post office is again broke by the way while service is rapidly declining. We may be handing heath care to the same ass hats that brought you the recent financial collapse. Good f$%#n luck. The ain't no free lunch kiddies, besides we are out of money and China doesn't want to finance US health care for 15,000,000 illegals much less you.

How come Uncle Sam doesn't pay for my tires, shoes, cable TV, vacations, hobbies and booze? The answer is I am not a politician and elected royalty. Burp.
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"Claim aspirin tablets?"
11-23-2009, 07:23 AM   #13
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QuoteOriginally posted by Phil1 Quote
Wisdom from Canada:

'Why don't you demand some accountability from your government rather than bleat about how they are as corrupt as the one you just put out of business in Iraq?'

Thank You Wheatfield!!!!!

I might suggest a gov't health insurance that does NOT cover the easy stuff but covers catastrophic issues only. I don't need to pay for a system that requires $15.00 in paperwork to claim asparin tablets or an annual physical. When you can afford to pay for it but have the gov't do it instead, rest assured you will be paying twice as much if you are lucky. Our post office is again broke by the way while service is rapidly declining. We may be handing heath care to the same ass hats that brought you the recent financial collapse. Good f$%#n luck. The ain't no free lunch kiddies, besides we are out of money and China doesn't want to finance US health care for 15,000,000 illegals much less you.

How come Uncle Sam doesn't pay for my tires, shoes, cable TV, vacations, hobbies and booze? The answer is I am not a politician and elected royalty. Burp.
What most people fail to realize is what they really want. C-O-N-T-R-O-L. How do you get control? I have already outlined that in another post.
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Like I said before. The only way the world is going to make it is drop the monetary system and work to better themselves and the world. Everyone should have a home and live within walking distance from there job ( to cut down on Pollution). Have a 2 child limit or there won't be enough food to feed everyone in 25 years. If you commit a violent crime and are proven guilty or caught in the act, just be taken out back of the jail and shot. Crime would drop.
Just my thoughts
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QuoteOriginally posted by Fl_Gulfer Quote
Like I said before. The only way the world is going to make it is drop the monetary system and work to better themselves and the world. Everyone should have a home and live within walking distance from there job ( to cut down on Pollution). Have a 2 child limit or there won't be enough food to feed everyone in 25 years. If you commit a violent crime and are proven guilty or caught in the act, just be taken out back of the jail and shot. Crime would drop.
Just my thoughts
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One first must realize a home doesn't necessarily mean a house. The belief that everyone should have a house is what started a lot of our financial mess.
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