Supreme Court strikes down campaign spending limits 5-4

deadwolfbones · 01-21-2010, 01:44 PM

Supreme Court Rolls Back Campaign Spending Limits On Corporations : NPR

Ratmagiclady · 01-21-2010, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by deadwolfbones

Supreme Court Rolls Back Campaign Spending Limits On Corporations : NPR

Not exactly getting hypoxia from any kind of gasp of surprise, here.

deadwolfbones · 01-21-2010, 02:01 PM

Quote:

"While American democracy is imperfect, few outside the majority of this Court would have thought its flaws included a dearth of corporate money in politics." - Justice Stevens

Gooshin · 01-21-2010, 02:23 PM

on the one hand this is good... money spent by corporations for campaign purposes will stay within the borders (hopefully)

on the other.. american politics will turn into a bigger soap opera than it ever was before.

ve2vfd · 01-21-2010, 04:17 PM

The best political system money can buy!

(not that it's any different here, they just hide it here)

Pat

newarts · 01-21-2010, 04:55 PM

Given precedent that corporations are the same as individuals, there was no other logical conclusion.

It is the precedent that is wrong! I think it is based on a series of decisions starting in 1886 that people acting as a group do not forfeit their individual rights.

But this principle is turned on its head when the liability of corporations is limited; no such limitation exists for individuals.

What a different environment it would be if each and every employee & stockholder of a corporation faced criminal penalties for wrong-doing by the corporation!

B Grace · 01-21-2010, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by newarts

Given precedent that corporations are the same as individuals, there was no other logical conclusion.

It is the precedent that is wrong! I think it is based on a series of decisions starting in 1886 that people acting as a group do not forfeit their individual rights.

But this principle is turned on its head when the liability of corporations is limited; no such limitation exists for individuals.

What a different environment it would be if each and every employee & stockholder of a corporation faced criminal penalties for wrong-doing by the corporation!

You could say individuals are also protected but few of us consider bankruptcy to be an honorable option. Yet, the uninsured driver who caused the three car accident that sent my daughter and I to the ER never paid a dime. And LLC status doesn't give a corporation free reign without worry of catastrophic penalty. It does prevent someone from suing the local coffee shop for $3 billion though.

MRRiley · 01-21-2010, 07:30 PM

This opinion was right down ideological lines with Justice Kennedy casting the swing vote (as he does in almost every case). Maybe the rest of the justices should just stay home...

Damn Brit · 01-21-2010, 07:51 PM

Just one more step towards corporate fascism.

BPT · 01-21-2010, 08:07 PM

I dont know if it is a bad thing, corps already were spending a lot of money on campaigns, now they just dont have to hide it

Rupert · 01-21-2010, 09:27 PM

Not much different than how the Nazis came to power in Germany...with the backing of Big Business and Big Industry. We already have plenty of ready made members just waiting to join up here in America, and now their wait has been shortened considerably. Just like Germany, plenty of those early supporters will be some of the first victims..... of their own making, but like Nazi Germany, by the time they see it, it will be too late. Not a good day for Americans of any brand.
Regards

Gooshin · 01-21-2010, 10:03 PM

*facepalm*

Hitlers rise to power had nothing to do with any corproate backing, their country was in shambles both spiritually and economically, and he was the man who promised them pride and power

anyone could have done it with nothing more than two bottle caps in their pockets, you just have to tell the people what they want to hear.

Rupert · 01-21-2010, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Gooshin

*facepalm*

Hitlers rise to power had nothing to do with any corproate backing, their country was in shambles both spiritually and economically, and he was the man who promised them pride and power

anyone could have done it with nothing more than two bottle caps in their pockets, you just have to tell the people what they want to hear.

Stick to your field of study...whatever it is......or get yourself some decent history books...then read them.
But you are right with the spiritually and economically shambles part....good thing we don't have that problem in America....right?
Regards!

Gooshin · 01-22-2010, 04:38 AM

Originally posted by Rupert

Stick to your field of study...whatever it is......or get yourself some decent history books...then read them.
But you are right with the spiritually and economically shambles part....good thing we don't have that problem in America....right?
Regards!

ha!

you're comparing post world war 1 germany with todays america?!

you really are bananas!

asdf · 01-22-2010, 04:43 AM

Originally posted by Gooshin

ha!

you're comparing post world war 1 germany with todays america?!

you really are bananas!

The correct analogy is the following: The US is Zimbabwe, but with a currency backed by nuclear weapons.

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01-21-2010, 01:47 PM	#2
Ratmagiclady Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: GA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,563	Originally posted by deadwolfbones Supreme Court Rolls Back Campaign Spending Limits On Corporations : NPR Not exactly getting hypoxia from any kind of gasp of surprise, here.

01-21-2010, 02:01 PM	#3
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: La Crescenta, CA Posts: 7,450 Original Poster	Quote: "While American democracy is imperfect, few outside the majority of this Court would have thought its flaws included a dearth of corporate money in politics." - Justice Stevens

01-21-2010, 02:23 PM	#4
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	on the one hand this is good... money spent by corporations for campaign purposes will stay within the borders (hopefully) on the other.. american politics will turn into a bigger soap opera than it ever was before.

01-21-2010, 04:17 PM	#5
ve2vfd Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Montreal, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,433	The best political system money can buy! (not that it's any different here, they just hide it here) Pat

01-21-2010, 04:55 PM	#6
newarts Inactive Account Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ames, Iowa, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 2,965	Given precedent that corporations are the same as individuals, there was no other logical conclusion. It is the precedent that is wrong! I think it is based on a series of decisions starting in 1886 that people acting as a group do not forfeit their individual rights. But this principle is turned on its head when the liability of corporations is limited; no such limitation exists for individuals. What a different environment it would be if each and every employee & stockholder of a corporation faced criminal penalties for wrong-doing by the corporation!

01-21-2010, 07:20 PM	#7
B Grace Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 429	Originally posted by newarts Given precedent that corporations are the same as individuals, there was no other logical conclusion. It is the precedent that is wrong! I think it is based on a series of decisions starting in 1886 that people acting as a group do not forfeit their individual rights. But this principle is turned on its head when the liability of corporations is limited; no such limitation exists for individuals. What a different environment it would be if each and every employee & stockholder of a corporation faced criminal penalties for wrong-doing by the corporation! You could say individuals are also protected but few of us consider bankruptcy to be an honorable option. Yet, the uninsured driver who caused the three car accident that sent my daughter and I to the ER never paid a dime. And LLC status doesn't give a corporation free reign without worry of catastrophic penalty. It does prevent someone from suing the local coffee shop for $3 billion though.

01-21-2010, 07:30 PM	#8
MRRiley Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sterling, VA, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,275	This opinion was right down ideological lines with Justice Kennedy casting the swing vote (as he does in almost every case). Maybe the rest of the justices should just stay home...

01-21-2010, 07:51 PM	#9
Damn Brit Guest	Just one more step towards corporate fascism.

01-21-2010, 08:07 PM	#10
BPT Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fruitvale, British Columbia Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 310	I dont know if it is a bad thing, corps already were spending a lot of money on campaigns, now they just dont have to hide it

01-21-2010, 09:27 PM	#11
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Not much different than how the Nazis came to power in Germany...with the backing of Big Business and Big Industry. We already have plenty of ready made members just waiting to join up here in America, and now their wait has been shortened considerably. Just like Germany, plenty of those early supporters will be some of the first victims..... of their own making, but like Nazi Germany, by the time they see it, it will be too late. Not a good day for Americans of any brand. Regards

01-21-2010, 10:03 PM	#12
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	facepalm Hitlers rise to power had nothing to do with any corproate backing, their country was in shambles both spiritually and economically, and he was the man who promised them pride and power anyone could have done it with nothing more than two bottle caps in their pockets, you just have to tell the people what they want to hear.

01-21-2010, 10:28 PM	#13
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Originally posted by Gooshin facepalm Hitlers rise to power had nothing to do with any corproate backing, their country was in shambles both spiritually and economically, and he was the man who promised them pride and power anyone could have done it with nothing more than two bottle caps in their pockets, you just have to tell the people what they want to hear. Stick to your field of study...whatever it is......or get yourself some decent history books...then read them. But you are right with the spiritually and economically shambles part....good thing we don't have that problem in America....right? Regards!

01-22-2010, 04:38 AM	#14
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	Originally posted by Rupert Stick to your field of study...whatever it is......or get yourself some decent history books...then read them. But you are right with the spiritually and economically shambles part....good thing we don't have that problem in America....right? Regards! ha! you're comparing post world war 1 germany with todays america?! you really are bananas!

01-22-2010, 04:43 AM	#15
asdf Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 1,252	Originally posted by Gooshin ha! you're comparing post world war 1 germany with todays america?! you really are bananas! The correct analogy is the following: The US is Zimbabwe, but with a currency backed by nuclear weapons.