China Threatens to Sanction U.S. Companies

Phil1 · 01-31-2010, 10:14 PM

'WASHINGTON — As Congress has debated energy policy over the past several days, an unusual argument keeps surfacing in support of drilling off the U.S. coastline and in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

Why, ask some Republicans, should the United States be thwarted from drilling in its own territory when just 50 miles off the Florida coastline the Chinese government is drilling for oil under Cuban leases?

Yet no one can prove that the Chinese are drilling anywhere off Cuba's shoreline. The China-Cuba connection is "akin to urban legend," said Sen. Mel Martinez, a Republican from Florida who opposes drilling off the coast of his state but who backs exploration in ANWR.

"China is not drilling in Cuba's Gulf of Mexico waters, period," said Jorge Pinon, an energy fellow with the Center for Hemispheric Policy at the University of Miami and an expert in oil exploration in the Gulf of Mexico. Martinez cited Pinon's research when he took to the Senate floor Wednesday to set the record straight.

GOP claim about Chinese oil drilling off Cuba is untrue | McClatchy

wildman · 02-01-2010, 02:21 AM

Originally posted by Rupert

Fat Cats see the future and it is in China, not here, and they are just acting accordingly.

The only future the fat cats are concerned with is their own.

Which is perfectly consistent with a capitalistic laissez-faire market system - what could be more "American" than that? They are just being good Americans.

If a shark smells blood he's going to go on a feeding frenzy. - My apologies to the shark.

So what else is new?

Blue · 02-01-2010, 10:42 AM

China banned the eating of cats and dogs recently.

China bans dog and cat meat - Yahoo! India News

Cats and dogs to be taken off menu in China - Times Online

graphicgr8s · 02-01-2010, 11:24 AM

China, India, Cuba in Gulf oil partnership - May. 9, 2006
Cuba Plans New Offshore Drilling in Search for Big Oil Finds in the Gulf of Mexico - US News and World Report
China and India to drill for Cuban oil off Florida keys in Gulf of Mexico - Cuba Business News - Havana Journal
http://www.cubaheadlines.com/2009/06/17/17699/cubas_offshore_oil_hopes_rise_...uncertain.html
http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=200806139107

Interesting. I remember seeing pictures of an oil rig on the coast of Cuba. And it wasn't in the news.

Last edited by graphicgr8s; 02-01-2010 at 11:31 AM.

reeftool · 02-01-2010, 11:24 AM

I try to avoid products from China as much as I can so this doesn't concern me much. However, they are mostly blowing smoke. Their economy depends on US consumers buying their crap. We can buy crap from other places.

Phil1 · 02-01-2010, 03:03 PM

Graphics, Re; Cuban oil leases. Your links and the stuff I recall on China/Cuba drilling were all 'news' in 2006. As of 2008 till now nada is going on there that I have heard of. Not that it can't happen and oil off-shore tract leasing is another form of gambling anyway, drilling or no drilling. I would guess if anyone does it for Cuba it would be Brazil as they have newly gained deep well drilling equipment and some know how. They are much closer too as far as moving big rigs.

It has been pretty much discredited as anti anti-propaganda during the ANWR drilling debates. It seems to have been exaggerated by the pro-drillers of which I is one.

Ditto with Florida drilling too. It will be accessed eventually so it's like money in the bank so to speak.

I haven't heard how the left's new alternate fuel is coming along we heard so much about a few years ago. I wonder where that unicorn fart blew off too now that they are driving the big bus?

graphicgr8s · 02-01-2010, 03:08 PM

Phil, The Cuba Headlines is from June of 09. Saudi Gazette is from 08

And yes I am a proponent of offshore drilling. Drill here. Drill NOW!

Rupert · 02-01-2010, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by wildman

The only future the fat cats are concerned with is their own.

Which is perfectly consistent with a capitalistic laissez-faire market system - what could be more "American" than that? They are just being good Americans.

If a shark smells blood he's going to go on a feeding frenzy. - My apologies to the shark.

So what else is new?

Not much new here...except that you will soon be learning Chinese if you want a low paying job in one of their new American slaveshops....errr, I mean factories. Fat Cats love cheap labor....always have...that is why they convince their pimps that Unions are so dangerous....and they are......dangerous to Fat Cats. Pimps work hard to convince that earning a decent wage is "Socialism".....I never bought into that idea, and just being a lowly plumber, made more in a week than some of those pimps made in a month....but what do I know...right? I know my bank account(s) look pretty sweet on these cold winter days of retirement...no thanks to Fat Cats.
Regards!

Ratmagiclady · 02-01-2010, 03:29 PM

China threatens sanctions if anyone sends Taiwan a *greeting card* where someone can see it.

Rupert · 02-01-2010, 03:47 PM

A good question might be if America would really defend Taiwan in a crisis situation? I think the time is nearing when China thinks the answer is No...and our ability to defend them is currently in doubt as well. Beyond going nuclear, we are pretty well thinned out and used up in our Military, thanks to Jesus George and his Great Adventures in failed foreign policies. China will eventually make the grab.......then the world will see what is left of American Might. How many Fat Cats are going to stand by and let us nuke their precious Chinese operations.....I'm betting none.
Regards!

Parallax · 02-01-2010, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by Rupert

A good question might be if America would really defend Taiwan in a crisis situation? I think the time is nearing when China thinks the answer is No...and our ability to defend them is currently in doubt as well. Beyond going nuclear, we are pretty well thinned out and used up in our Military, thanks to Jesus George and his Great Adventures in failed foreign policies. China will eventually make the grab.......then the world will see what is left of American Might. How many Fat Cats are going to stand by and let us nuke their precious Chinese operations.....I'm betting none.
Regards!

No, America would not defend Taiwan against China, even if we had the ability.

Blue · 02-01-2010, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by Parallax

No, America would not defend Taiwan against China, even if we had the ability.

Remember about 2.5 years ago when nuclear triggers were mistakenly sent to Taiwan? China was very quite regarding Taiwan until well after the 2008 Presidential election. I always found it interesting that anyone would know about the triggers to even know a mistake was made.

Ratmagiclady · 02-01-2010, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by Blue

Remember about 2.5 years ago when nuclear triggers were mistakenly sent to Taiwan? China was very quite regarding Taiwan until well after the 2008 Presidential election. I always found it interesting that anyone would know about the triggers to even know a mistake was made.

Speaking of conspiracy theories.

Why would China want anyone to think how much we were *really* in hock to them after eight years of Bush *before* that election?

They were quiet about Taiwan cause they wanted 'more of the same.' Now, they need to flex a little.

They don't *want* Taiwan, they just have a pride thing about it. They'll play that once in a while, especially when their currency-monkeying is working and they feel neglected, but... They can't take it intact and couldn't hold it. They know it. This is highly-feudal with bigger toys. Occasionally a tool for the finance, but...

Militarily, Forget about it. It's strategically almost-irrelevant. They could make a paste of Taiwan before CNN even picked up the story.

It's old stuff and a chip. Feudal. Stuff.

One thing that mystifies me about my fellow Americans is that we just *can't* seem too see that we're not the *only* ones who do things for how it plays to the home audience.

That's how we were totally unable to see why Saddam had to make it look like he maybe still had WMDs. This is why Bush with his *thing* totally destablilized the balance there. Even if you were the most crass imperialist, with the worst intentions ever, one should see that *Saddam* was *leverage.*

Blue · 02-01-2010, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Speaking of conspiracy theories.

Nothing "conspiracy" about it.

Nuclear Parts Sent To Taiwan In Error - washingtonpost.com

Quote:

The Defense Department mistakenly shipped secret nuclear missile fuses to Taiwan more than 18 months ago and did not learn that the items were missing until late last week, Pentagon officials acknowledged yesterday, deepening concerns about the security of the U.S. nuclear arsenal. Officials with the Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) sent four nose-cone fuse assemblies to Taiwan in August 2006 instead of four replacement battery packs for use in Taiwan's fleet of UH-1 Huey helicopters. The fuses help trigger nuclear warheads on Minuteman intercontinental ballistic missiles as they near their point of impact. It was unclear yesterday how the two very different items were mixed up at a warehouse at Hill Air Force Base in Utah and how they were shipped out of the country without notice.

. . .Gates learned of the erroneous shipment on Friday and informed President Bush, but officials waited until yesterday -- after Saturday's elections in Taiwan -- to disclose the incident. Pentagon and State Department officials have conferred with Taiwanese and Chinese diplomats over the past three days. . . .

Ratmagiclady · 02-01-2010, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Blue

Nothing "conspiracy" about it.

Nuclear Parts Sent To Taiwan In Error - washingtonpost.com

That's actually not the same as 'nuclear codes,' for one thing?

For another, even if bad guys got a hold of such fuses, there's more to making an A-bomb than sticking a 'fuse' in a bunch of uranium?

Not something to leave lying around, or shipped wrong, but, also not really about China's motives regarding Taiwan. Say em in the same sentence and you might get a reaction, though.

(it's still about posturing, though. Kind of like Tibet, only with factories.)

02-01-2010, 02:21 AM	#17
wildman Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Flyover America Posts: 4,469	Originally posted by Rupert Fat Cats see the future and it is in China, not here, and they are just acting accordingly. The only future the fat cats are concerned with is their own. Which is perfectly consistent with a capitalistic laissez-faire market system - what could be more "American" than that? They are just being good Americans. If a shark smells blood he's going to go on a feeding frenzy. - My apologies to the shark. So what else is new? Last edited by wildman; 02-01-2010 at 03:00 AM.

02-01-2010, 10:42 AM	#18
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	China banned the eating of cats and dogs recently. China bans dog and cat meat - Yahoo! India News Cats and dogs to be taken off menu in China - Times Online Last edited by Blue; 02-01-2010 at 03:12 PM.

02-01-2010, 04:45 PM	#28
Ratmagiclady Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: GA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,563	Originally posted by Blue Remember about 2.5 years ago when nuclear triggers were mistakenly sent to Taiwan? China was very quite regarding Taiwan until well after the 2008 Presidential election. I always found it interesting that anyone would know about the triggers to even know a mistake was made. Speaking of conspiracy theories. Why would China want anyone to think how much we were really in hock to them after eight years of Bush before that election? They were quiet about Taiwan cause they wanted 'more of the same.' Now, they need to flex a little. They don't want Taiwan, they just have a pride thing about it. They'll play that once in a while, especially when their currency-monkeying is working and they feel neglected, but... They can't take it intact and couldn't hold it. They know it. This is highly-feudal with bigger toys. Occasionally a tool for the finance, but... Militarily, Forget about it. It's strategically almost-irrelevant. They could make a paste of Taiwan before CNN even picked up the story. It's old stuff and a chip. Feudal. Stuff. One thing that mystifies me about my fellow Americans is that we just can't seem too see that we're not the only ones who do things for how it plays to the home audience. That's how we were totally unable to see why Saddam had to make it look like he maybe still had WMDs. This is why Bush with his thing totally destablilized the balance there. Even if you were the most crass imperialist, with the worst intentions ever, one should see that Saddam was leverage. Last edited by Ratmagiclady; 02-01-2010 at 04:54 PM.

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02-01-2010, 11:24 AM	#19
graphicgr8s Guest	China, India, Cuba in Gulf oil partnership - May. 9, 2006 Cuba Plans New Offshore Drilling in Search for Big Oil Finds in the Gulf of Mexico - US News and World Report China and India to drill for Cuban oil off Florida keys in Gulf of Mexico - Cuba Business News - Havana Journal http://www.cubaheadlines.com/2009/06/17/17699/cubas_offshore_oil_hopes_rise_...uncertain.html http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=200806139107 Interesting. I remember seeing pictures of an oil rig on the coast of Cuba. And it wasn't in the news. Last edited by graphicgr8s; 02-01-2010 at 11:31 AM.

02-01-2010, 11:24 AM	#20
reeftool Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Upstate New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,554	I try to avoid products from China as much as I can so this doesn't concern me much. However, they are mostly blowing smoke. Their economy depends on US consumers buying their crap. We can buy crap from other places.

02-01-2010, 03:03 PM	#21
Phil1 Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,292	Graphics, Re; Cuban oil leases. Your links and the stuff I recall on China/Cuba drilling were all 'news' in 2006. As of 2008 till now nada is going on there that I have heard of. Not that it can't happen and oil off-shore tract leasing is another form of gambling anyway, drilling or no drilling. I would guess if anyone does it for Cuba it would be Brazil as they have newly gained deep well drilling equipment and some know how. They are much closer too as far as moving big rigs. It has been pretty much discredited as anti anti-propaganda during the ANWR drilling debates. It seems to have been exaggerated by the pro-drillers of which I is one. Ditto with Florida drilling too. It will be accessed eventually so it's like money in the bank so to speak. I haven't heard how the left's new alternate fuel is coming along we heard so much about a few years ago. I wonder where that unicorn fart blew off too now that they are driving the big bus?

02-01-2010, 03:08 PM	#22
graphicgr8s Guest	Phil, The Cuba Headlines is from June of 09. Saudi Gazette is from 08 And yes I am a proponent of offshore drilling. Drill here. Drill NOW!

02-01-2010, 03:22 PM	#23
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Originally posted by wildman The only future the fat cats are concerned with is their own. Which is perfectly consistent with a capitalistic laissez-faire market system - what could be more "American" than that? They are just being good Americans. If a shark smells blood he's going to go on a feeding frenzy. - My apologies to the shark. So what else is new? Not much new here...except that you will soon be learning Chinese if you want a low paying job in one of their new American slaveshops....errr, I mean factories. Fat Cats love cheap labor....always have...that is why they convince their pimps that Unions are so dangerous....and they are......dangerous to Fat Cats. Pimps work hard to convince that earning a decent wage is "Socialism".....I never bought into that idea, and just being a lowly plumber, made more in a week than some of those pimps made in a month....but what do I know...right? I know my bank account(s) look pretty sweet on these cold winter days of retirement...no thanks to Fat Cats. Regards!

02-01-2010, 03:29 PM	#24
Ratmagiclady Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: GA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,563	China threatens sanctions if anyone sends Taiwan a greeting card where someone can see it.

02-01-2010, 03:47 PM	#25
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	A good question might be if America would really defend Taiwan in a crisis situation? I think the time is nearing when China thinks the answer is No...and our ability to defend them is currently in doubt as well. Beyond going nuclear, we are pretty well thinned out and used up in our Military, thanks to Jesus George and his Great Adventures in failed foreign policies. China will eventually make the grab.......then the world will see what is left of American Might. How many Fat Cats are going to stand by and let us nuke their precious Chinese operations.....I'm betting none. Regards!

02-01-2010, 03:50 PM	#26
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332 Original Poster	Originally posted by Rupert A good question might be if America would really defend Taiwan in a crisis situation? I think the time is nearing when China thinks the answer is No...and our ability to defend them is currently in doubt as well. Beyond going nuclear, we are pretty well thinned out and used up in our Military, thanks to Jesus George and his Great Adventures in failed foreign policies. China will eventually make the grab.......then the world will see what is left of American Might. How many Fat Cats are going to stand by and let us nuke their precious Chinese operations.....I'm betting none. Regards! No, America would not defend Taiwan against China, even if we had the ability.

02-01-2010, 03:53 PM	#27
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Parallax No, America would not defend Taiwan against China, even if we had the ability. Remember about 2.5 years ago when nuclear triggers were mistakenly sent to Taiwan? China was very quite regarding Taiwan until well after the 2008 Presidential election. I always found it interesting that anyone would know about the triggers to even know a mistake was made.

02-01-2010, 05:30 PM	#29
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Quote: Speaking of conspiracy theories. Nothing "conspiracy" about it. Nuclear Parts Sent To Taiwan In Error - washingtonpost.com Quote: The Defense Department mistakenly shipped secret nuclear missile fuses to Taiwan more than 18 months ago and did not learn that the items were missing until late last week, Pentagon officials acknowledged yesterday, deepening concerns about the security of the U.S. nuclear arsenal. Officials with the Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) sent four nose-cone fuse assemblies to Taiwan in August 2006 instead of four replacement battery packs for use in Taiwan's fleet of UH-1 Huey helicopters. The fuses help trigger nuclear warheads on Minuteman intercontinental ballistic missiles as they near their point of impact. It was unclear yesterday how the two very different items were mixed up at a warehouse at Hill Air Force Base in Utah and how they were shipped out of the country without notice. . . .Gates learned of the erroneous shipment on Friday and informed President Bush, but officials waited until yesterday -- after Saturday's elections in Taiwan -- to disclose the incident. Pentagon and State Department officials have conferred with Taiwanese and Chinese diplomats over the past three days. . . .

02-01-2010, 05:38 PM	#30
Ratmagiclady Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: GA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,563	Originally posted by Blue Nothing "conspiracy" about it. Nuclear Parts Sent To Taiwan In Error - washingtonpost.com That's actually not the same as 'nuclear codes,' for one thing? For another, even if bad guys got a hold of such fuses, there's more to making an A-bomb than sticking a 'fuse' in a bunch of uranium? Not something to leave lying around, or shipped wrong, but, also not really about China's motives regarding Taiwan. Say em in the same sentence and you might get a reaction, though. (it's still about posturing, though. Kind of like Tibet, only with factories.)