[deadwolfbones]

What the hell could be performed better in mexico? Medical or not.

Mixing of margaritas? Making of tacos? Building of Ford vehicles?

[jeffkrol]

That's a ridiculously long wait. What if he was in pain? So anything other than life threatening you're going to wait? and wait?

Pretty much if I am deemed to need knee surgery within a week I could be having it.

You can have bad teeth for decades without any "immediate need for" assistance.. Trust me... though it can take a toll on your heart...
You are just the large part of a problem............
And obviously you are in an area where you are Privileged"
When I broke my foot on a Sunday the ER said it was just a sprain and sent me home recommending aspirin. 3 hours of intense pain later I called and asked for something stronger and they said "We don't prescribe narcotics for a sprain".....
After 3 more hours of trying to reason with the medical establishment I finally got some Tylenol w/ Codeine which made my life a lot more bearable...
Apparently they must of assumed I was a junkie...
Monday afternoon I got a call from the hospital that said "You seem to have broke your foot. Come in Monday for a CAT scan (or MRI forgot which) and some more x-rays.
It was a new machine for the hospital and since I already had a set of x-rays showing a hairline fracture of the Talus bone I really did not understand the need for this but who cared.. ins will pay for it all woo hooo..
On Wednsday they finally put it in a cast...........
2 weeks off my feet and I got fired because of it......... Small shop, needed to be running and 3 weeks off and a few more on limited duty was more than the owner wanted to wait.....
No really big deal.. Asked about sick pay and he said quote "sick pay is for when your sick.. but you broke your foot so sorry, no pay"....... ??????
Anyways due to the gov I got the pay but no unemployment.. "not eligible and available to work" sitting in a bed............
3 1/2 weeks later unemployment kicked in...
Now this is just a rant and no need for your sympathy.
I got through it just fine.............

You just don't understand what many go through do you?

[Phil1]

'He's in Canada for God's sake, not Haiti. I can't believe that there is any technology, or physician skill levels that are available here that aren't available in Canada.'

That's what I was kinda thinking after all the great comments on Canada Care here recently vs crappy US medicine. But my main point was a member of the Canadian gov't bailing on the touted gov't care while here in the US the designers of the Obama Care aka PeeOn Care already have a differant set of health care rules.

I like paradoxes

[Rupert]

Oh I think, hard as it may be to achieve, they have us beat at government corruption.

You're kidding right? They lost out to us on corruption years ago...they just learned how to profit from it better......best drug dealers in the world, thanks from a little help from their friends here.
Regards!

[jeffkrol]

The health care in Canada is provided by insurance. It is just government run insurance companies. There are also other companies that provide what is often termed extended health. Extended health is to provide the extras over the basic insurance the government gives you.

For me I have to pay a $108 premium (I think that what it is my wife sends the money in each month) for the basic government insurance and my work provides extended health.

If the procedure is available in Canada he would have to pay out of pocket as the government insurance wouldnt pay. The government insurance will pay only if he for some reason cannot get it done here in a reasonable time.

Sensible solution

That is what is related to reasonable time, before he would be in danger is a reasonable time. Where we run into problems is things like knee surgeries having a bad knee doesnt endanger your life so I have heard of fairly long waits.

In my Dad's case he needed dental surgion to remove his teeth due to work related factors. He worked in an area for 30 years with acid mist in the air, which caused his teeth to rot out of his mouth, it was recommended they be pulled by a dental surgeon rather then a regular dentist. He had a hell of a long wait, about 9 months.

The company took no responsibility?

He was in pain. Try having a constant toothache in several teeth for a year.

3 months sort of self inflicted (sorry to hear that. I've been there myself, not enough cash AND no insurance. At the time the dental bills were estimated to be in excess of $30,000, too rich for a college student)... I PERSONALLY (YMMV) consider what your father went through as better than the situations I've faced in my life.
I can understand your frustration but 9 months is a short wait to not have his house/future pulled out from under him nor years of bacterial plaque increasing the risk of heart attack and stroke caused by bad teeth... As a side note are there any other circumstances to this? Like was he up in the Arctic Circle or something?

[BPT]

The company took no responsibility?

No they fought responcibility on it and deny that the work envoronment had anything to do with it. It is a common problem with those he works with and he was able to prove to Works Safe BC's satisfaction it was work related so the dentures were paid for by Work Safe BC. Work Safe BC is workers compensation, they take care of work related injuries and problems, each employer pays insurance to them.

I can understand your frustration but 9 months is a short wait to not have his house/future pulled out from under him nor years of bacterial plaque increasing the risk of heart attack and stroke caused by bad teeth... As a side note are there any other circumstances to this? Like was he up in the Arctic Circle or something?

We live in the southern interior of British Columbia. I apologize most of my info is second hand as it is just what he has told me. But from what I understand there is a limited number of dental surgeons and children and people of mental handicap automatically go to the front of the line and kept bumping him.

[jeffkrol]

No they fought responcibility on it and deny that the work envoronment had anything to do with it. It is a common problem with those he works with and he was able to prove to Works Safe BC's satisfaction it was work related so the dentures were paid for by Work Safe BC. Work Safe BC is workers compensation, they take care of work related injuries and problems, each employer pays insurance to them.



We live in the southern interior of British Columbia. I apologize most of my info is second hand as it is just what he has told me. But from what I understand there is a limited number of dental surgeons and children and people of mental handicap automatically go to the front of the line and kept bumping him.

Thanks for clarifying....
Oh BTW any where near Kamloops? I've been dying to visit there.......... actually have been looking to relocate there but my job is not on the top of the immigration list.........

[BPT]

near-ish, I can get there in about a 6 hour drive. littlelaker is much closer to Kamloops, he is a couple hours from there. I live south east of there in an area called the West Kootenays. Kamloops is in the Okanogan, terrain is totally different. I love where I live and if you ever make it into this area I would be happy to show you around (provided you are not a serial killer and I assume you would let me know that in advance)

Mixing of margaritas? Making of tacos? Building of Ford vehicles?

mexican fodder sucks. Don't drink so I don't care. Fords made here are good.

[SteveM]

Ironically, I watched a CBC news special (Joe Schlesinger) on free medical clinics in the states that are popping up to try to fill the failings of the US system. He interviewed the people that came through the door and many had either been well off or were middle class that ended up using their “allotment” from the insurance company. (I found that to be true with my infant son in the US).

This topic is a broken record….I’ve copied most of the content below from previous posts on this topic….and yes, I have lived in the US and Canada, have had kids in both countries and know full well how both medical systems work.

Who knows why this Williams guy decided to go south but perhaps he had a good reason for it (probably not as he has a history of being a jackass). The fundamental principal behind the Canadian system is that is not "two tier". Now, I'm sure if the Prime Minister needed care, there might be a little preferential treatment, but the system is used by all. Canada sends patients to the US for overflow or specialized care that would not be cost effective here…it keeps are costs low. Why equip and staff a specialized procedure if it is going to sit idle for a good portion of the time due to the size of our population when it can be done a short flight away? Don’t kid yourselves about the quality of care; Canada was the first country to reverse engineer the bird flu virus, drugs such as penicillin were invented here, one of the world’s first civilian paramedic program was pioneered out of Royal Columbian hospital.

If you start having multiple tiers, you're going to end up with a crappy health care system. The US already pours an outrageous amount of taxpayer money (far far more per capita than does Canada) yet the system still can't provide health care for Americans.

In Canada, you can't decide to get just any kind of care for free (much like the private system....your insurance company isn't going to pay for just anything you decide you want to have done). For example, (I'm not sure if it has been corrected in the US media), but the Canadian lady that the Republicans are using for why you shouldn't have a Canadian style system.....she doesn't have brain cancer like it's touted in the US. Her life is not in danger, therefore she has to wait her turn for surgery so that others that are at risk get the help they need first. Why should a congressman jump the queue past some dying child if he/she isn't at risk?
Taxpayer dollars in the states for healthcare are out of control right now. Canadians pay little per capita in tax for healthcare as compared to the US taxpayer.....and the US doesn't have universal care.

The only way I see universal care working in the states is if it benefits everyone. That means gutting private insurance and bringing insurance costs for the middle class back in line, and then banning the freeloaders (lawyers and others) that are sucking the resources away from healthcare.

You can have bad teeth for decades without any "immediate need for" assistance.. Trust me... though it can take a toll on your heart...
You are just the large part of a problem............
And obviously you are in an area where you are Privileged"
When I broke my foot on a Sunday the ER said it was just a sprain and sent me home recommending aspirin. 3 hours of intense pain later I called and asked for something stronger and they said "We don't prescribe narcotics for a sprain".....
After 3 more hours of trying to reason with the medical establishment I finally got some Tylenol w/ Codeine which made my life a lot more bearable...
Apparently they must of assumed I was a junkie...
Monday afternoon I got a call from the hospital that said "You seem to have broke your foot. Come in Monday for a CAT scan (or MRI forgot which) and some more x-rays.
It was a new machine for the hospital and since I already had a set of x-rays showing a hairline fracture of the Talus bone I really did not understand the need for this but who cared.. ins will pay for it all woo hooo..
On Wednsday they finally put it in a cast...........
2 weeks off my feet and I got fired because of it......... Small shop, needed to be running and 3 weeks off and a few more on limited duty was more than the owner wanted to wait.....
No really big deal.. Asked about sick pay and he said quote "sick pay is for when your sick.. but you broke your foot so sorry, no pay"....... ??????
Anyways due to the gov I got the pay but no unemployment.. "not eligible and available to work" sitting in a bed............
3 1/2 weeks later unemployment kicked in...
Now this is just a rant and no need for your sympathy.
I got through it just fine.............

You just don't understand what many go through do you?

You worked for a jackass. My wife broke her ankle walking out of the house on our way to work. Took her to the her primary, he got her an appointment with the specialist same day. Cast put on. Back at work in 2 days. She was working for Wards back then. Her store manager was so glad she came in he brought her a stool to sit on and catered to her pretty much hand and foot. She was a customer service manager. Still is but a different company. And I never had a cadillac plan. In fact back then It was a plan I paid for fully myself.

[Rupert]

mexican fodder sucks. Don't drink so I don't care. Fords made here are good.

Mexican food beats communist italian any day. I like Ford...but if I take out the imported parts of your Ford, George, you will have a skateboard...with no wheels. Once again, the facts are a mystery to you. Your refusal to face the facts are as one track as the Ratlady and her LBGT rantings. Buy a newspaper, get a book, do something other than FIX News, you will be surprised at what the real world is really like.
Regards!

[ve2vfd]

What the hell could be performed better in mexico? Medical or not.

Medical marijuana?

Pat

[wildman]

Just thought I'd throw this in for the heck of it...

Just the facts:
About two years ago my wife suffered 2 aneurysms and a subarachnoid brain hemorrhage . She was treated at Mayo Clinic in Rochester Mn perhaps the best neurosurgery department in the world.

There was more medical hardware and staff lavished on her than perhaps the entire country of Haiti has available to it right now. She was in a large room just crammed with medical gear. She was assigned two full time nurses only to her and they had their own private attached elevated office, also crammed with monitoring gear, that over-looked my Wife's room through a large glass window.

She was in neurosurgery intensive care for about two weeks and 3 weeks recovering in a normal medical unit.

After that there was numerous follow ups and other treatments as a result of the aneurysm over a period of about a year and a half.

From the time I dialed 911 to the time she was admitted to Mayo was about an hour and 20 min. She was transported to Mayo from our home, a distance of 55 miles by helicopter.

Medical results so far - almost complete recovery.

Cost:
Surgery:$358,000
Follow up care for the last 2 years about $30,000.
Total=$388,000

Out of pocket cost to us so far about $40,000.

Make what you want out of it. My opinion is that this is an example of both the best and worst of the American medical "system".

[Phil1]

'If you start having multiple tiers, you're going to end up with a crappy health care system. The US already pours an outrageous amount of taxpayer money (far far more per capita than does Canada) yet the system still can't provide health care for Americans.' SMC

There in lies a major issue with US health care. The designers of the system will be on another 'cadillac' program. (We also have MediCare-States Care and VA/military Care running concurrently). We have already seen in the Obama Abortion special concessions made to Nebraska, Louisiana, unions, Big Pharma, religious exemptions and Ins Cos all done in back rooms. Lets dump that crapola and start afresh. Without those basic changes we will have a five headed ugly a$$ toad. Hopeola and Changeola remember leftys? Lets all clap, pass the Kool Aid and say amen.

Then when a decent plan is devised, lets test fly it in a few states for a year or two, tweak it and then adopt it. That's the way Boeing does big projects.