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02-03-2010, 10:06 AM   #1
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Y2K, Global Warming and the Toyota Recall

Just having flash backs to the CBS fabricated Audi 'unintended acceleration' flim flam. The media in that case took a complete BS 60 Minutes program and damn near sunk a manufacturer. CBS finally, very low key, admitted 'an error'.

If you are driving a Toyota, your magic brake pedal will overcome any engine acceleration your motor can possibly generate intentionally or unintentionally. Other options are shift to neutral and flip the key off. Be aware of the steering lock mechanism. If you doubt this, try mashing the gas pedal at 50MPH while applying the brakes very hard. Like magic the car will stop, overcoming the vehicle inertia as well as all the max power your put put can make.

I have listened to a number of TV and radio talking heads on this and I can't believe the horse $hit flying about this.

The Obama gov't is now saying you should park your Toyota, all 2,X million of them and call Toyota immediatly. I think the girl on the switch board at your dealer will be quiting. Better yet call Obama and see if he will provide transportation to work for you and if not will he make up the lost salary for 2.X million workers for a few weeks.

Here is the news release:
Transportation Secy: Don't Drive Recalled Toyotas - wcbstv.com

The Audi problem was a total fabrication, this Toyota deal appears to be very genuine but I believe the media is making far more out of this than reality dictates. The technology has changed to throttle-by-wire rather than a mechanical linkage. Toyota is a responsible co with plants in the US and I am sure they will get it handled as soon as humanly possible. I worked for a competitor of Toyota and have no interest in them.

Soon you will be seeing every Toyota accident being blamed on this deal. That's what happened to Audi. Every screwed up driver will be looking for an excuse.

02-03-2010, 10:09 AM   #2
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QuoteOriginally posted by Phil1 Quote
Just having flash backs to the CBS fabricated Audi 'unintended acceleration' flim flam. The media in that case took a complete BS 60 Minutes program and damn near sunk a manufacturer. CBS finally, very low key, admitted 'an error'.

If you are driving a Toyota, your magic brake pedal will overcome any engine acceleration your motor can possibly generate intentionally or unintentionally. Other options are shift to neutral and flip the key off. Be aware of the steering lock mechanism. If you doubt this, try mashing the gas pedal at 50MPH while applying the brakes very hard. Like magic the car will stop, overcoming the vehicle inertia as well as all the max power your put put can make.

I have listened to a number of TV and radio talking heads on this and I can't believe the horse $hit flying about this.

The Obama gov't is now saying you should park your Toyota, all 2,X million of them and call Toyota immediatly. I think the girl on the switch board at your dealer will be quiting. Better yet call Obama and see if he will provide transportation to work for you and if not will he make up the lost salary for 2.X million workers for a few weeks.

Here is the news release:
Transportation Secy: Don't Drive Recalled Toyotas - wcbstv.com

The Audi problem was a total fabrication, this Toyota deal appears to be very genuine but I believe the media is making far more out of this than reality dictates. The technology has changed to throttle-by-wire rather than a mechanical linkage. Toyota is a responsible co with plants in the US and I am sure they will get it handled as soon as humanly possible. I worked for a competitor of Toyota and have no interest in them.

Soon you will be seeing every Toyota accident being blamed on this deal. That's what happened to Audi. Every screwed up driver will be looking for an excuse.
According to the report I saw it won't. It will overheat the brakes. They said to put her in neutral and let the engine go against the rev limiter. Then move off the road and shut it down. Get out and kiss the ground. Buy a Ford.
02-03-2010, 10:30 AM   #3
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Getting out of gear works, true. The fact is, though, the prospect of a runaway car is is *scarier* than a lot of other options. Not in an entirely-unjustified way, really, despite the statistics. It's not something one always gets the chance to react to, either.

Half the reason people like cars is to feel *in control.* This defect represents *not being in control.*

People do tend to freeze up when something like that stops working or does something unexpected.
02-03-2010, 10:43 AM   #4
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ratmagiclady Quote
Getting out of gear works, true. The fact is, though, the prospect of a runaway car is is *scarier* than a lot of other options. Not in an entirely-unjustified way, really, despite the statistics. It's not something one always gets the chance to react to, either.

Half the reason people like cars is to feel *in control.* This defect represents *not being in control.*

People do tend to freeze up when something like that stops working or does something unexpected.
The main objective is to stay calm. It's not all that scary. And the remedy isn't that hard.

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Here is a young lady bare foot doing the full throttle while on the brake test (Prius)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiSQeaeWxGU&feature=PlayList&p=F1668F91F4D051...om=PL&index=61



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Most accidents require at least two things to go wrong. Most people, frankly, control their cars by *habit,* too. They even recorded a conversation from a runaway Lexus, ...the people in the car called for Onstar help before registering the gearshift existed... So, apparently, did the Onstar operator.

They freeze up. Panic. So, yeah, it's dangerous. Also, it *seems* more dangerous than statistics show.

If you can't trust the *machine you're doing 70 in,* that's not insignificant.
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'Hit the Brakes (Car & Driver)

Certainly the most natural reaction to a stuck-throttle emergency is to stomp on the brake pedal, possibly with both feet. And despite dramatic horsepower increases since C/D’s 1987 unintended-acceleration test of an Audi 5000, brakes by and large can still overpower and rein in an engine roaring under full throttle. With the Camry’s throttle pinned while going 70 mph, the brakes easily overcame all 268 horsepower straining against them and stopped the car in 190 feet—that’s a foot shorter than the performance of a Ford Taurus without any gas-pedal problems and just 16 feet longer than with the Camry’s throttle closed. From 100 mph, the stopping-distance differential was 88 feet—noticeable to be sure, but the car still slowed enthusiastically enough to impart a feeling of confidence. We also tried one go-for-broke run at 120 mph, and, even then, the car quickly decelerated to about 10 mph before the brakes got excessively hot and the car refused to decelerate any further. So even in the most extreme case, it should be possible to get a car’s speed down to a point where a resulting accident'

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How To Deal With Unintended Acceleration - Tech Dept. - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver

GM tests Pontiac Vibe brakes against unintended acceleration in wake of Matrix recall — Autoblog

SUPERCELL FORUMS • View topic - My full throttle braking tests!
02-03-2010, 11:38 AM   #8
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There's theory, Phil, and there's reality, is all. I had the State Police for driving tutors. When people have the *right* reflex, we don't hear about it. If there's a problem, it needs fixing. Cause it's when someone has the *wrong* one where people get hurt.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Ratmagiclady Quote
Most accidents require at least two things to go wrong. Most people, frankly, control their cars by *habit,* too. They even recorded a conversation from a runaway Lexus, ...the people in the car called for Onstar help before registering the gearshift existed... So, apparently, did the Onstar operator.

They freeze up. Panic. So, yeah, it's dangerous. Also, it *seems* more dangerous than statistics show.

If you can't trust the *machine you're doing 70 in,* that's not insignificant.
Lexus? Onstar? Two different companies. Lexus is a glorified toyoda. Onstar is owned by Government Motors aka Obama Motor Corporation.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Phil1 Quote
'Hit the Brakes (Car & Driver)

Certainly the most natural reaction to a stuck-throttle emergency is to stomp on the brake pedal, possibly with both feet. And despite dramatic horsepower increases since C/D’s 1987 unintended-acceleration test of an Audi 5000, brakes by and large can still overpower and rein in an engine roaring under full throttle. With the Camry’s throttle pinned while going 70 mph, the brakes easily overcame all 268 horsepower straining against them and stopped the car in 190 feet—that’s a foot shorter than the performance of a Ford Taurus without any gas-pedal problems and just 16 feet longer than with the Camry’s throttle closed. From 100 mph, the stopping-distance differential was 88 feet—noticeable to be sure, but the car still slowed enthusiastically enough to impart a feeling of confidence. We also tried one go-for-broke run at 120 mph, and, even then, the car quickly decelerated to about 10 mph before the brakes got excessively hot and the car refused to decelerate any further. So even in the most extreme case, it should be possible to get a car’s speed down to a point where a resulting accident'

Snippet from:
How To Deal With Unintended Acceleration - Tech Dept. - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver

GM tests Pontiac Vibe brakes against unintended acceleration in wake of Matrix recall — Autoblog

SUPERCELL FORUMS • View topic - My full throttle braking tests!
Phil I've had a pedal stick in my old Pontiac. It over heated the brakes before I got to 50. I shut her down. That car didn't have rev limiters and the engine cost me a heck of a lot of time to build.
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Sorry, G. Lexus Licenses GM's OnStar GPS Service They have their own version now though.
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Sorry, G. Lexus Licenses GM's OnStar GPS Service They have their own version now though.
Mea culpa, mea culpa

But it's still a glorified toyoda
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Just in the news, this is funny now:

'Feb. 3 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said he misspoke today when he said owners of recalled Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles should stop driving them until the company fixes a defect causing sudden acceleration.

LaHood sought to clarify his remarks in comments to reporters after a congressional hearing. He said that if owners are in doubt, they should take their cars to the dealership.

In earlier comments to a House Appropriations panel in Washington, LaHood advised drivers to “stop driving it and take it to a Toyota dealer.”

“What I said in there was obviously a misstatement,” LaHood told reporters. “If you own one of these cars, take it to the dealer. If you are in doubt, take it to the dealer and have them fix it.” '


LaHood Says Comment on Toyota Was ?Misstatement? (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

I think I could do better at Homeland Security as well as Sec of Transportation. Just another reason to be warey of the gov't giving you the rupture test combined with a prostate check by the illegal gay postman. It's good to support political patronage.

If your interested:
Secretary LaHood said he would bring President-elect Obama’s priorities to the Department and see them effectively implemented with a commitment to fairness across regional and party lines and between people who come to the issues with different perspectives.

Before becoming Secretary of Transportation, LaHood served for 14 years in the U.S. House of Representatives from the 18th District of Illinois (from 1995-2009). During that time he served on the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee and, after that, on the House Appropriations Committee. Prior to his election to the House, he served as Chief of Staff to U.S. Congressman Robert Michel, whom he succeeded in representing the 18th District, and as District Administrative Assistant to Congressman Thomas Railsback. He also served in the Illinois State Legislature.

Before his career in government, Secretary LaHood was a junior high school teacher, having received his degree from Bradley University in Peoria, Illinois. He was also director of the Rock Island County Youth Services Bureau and Chief planner for the Bi-States Metropolitan Planning Commission in Illinois.
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'Phil I've had a pedal stick in my old Pontiac. It over heated the brakes before I got to 50. I shut her down. That car didn't have rev limiters and the engine cost me a heck of a lot of time to build.'

I can't argue with that. Many older domestics had really $hitty brakes, especially the drum variety and very much so with trucks. Most modern cars (discs) will overcome engine HP as well as vehicle inerta fine. If they won't come to an absolute stop they will get the speed down to something very low. Lots of variables of course vehicle load included, but most modern ones will do it fine. It's easy enough to try out. Vacuum boosted brakes can loose the vacuum boost eventually as the throttle remains partial or wide open. It does take more pedal pressure of course. There is still neutral and the key back ups.

RML's example of the CHP family car at 120 MPH I just don't believe the car could not be stopped. I can be wrong but that one sounds like a few of the old Audi claims that were all debunked. It may have happened but certainly the driver factors in there real big. If someone had time to call 911 and have conversation time, I think the driver perhaps should not have been driving anything.

I made it down from the top of Mt Haleakala Maui with no brakes in a Renta-a-Wreck (domestic) rental speaking of $hitty brakes.
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RML's example of the CHP family car at 120 MPH I just don't believe the car could not be stopped.
I don't believe it *could not,* just that clearly, it *was not.*

Even with the Onstar or whatever operator in the loop, it *was not.*


You or I might have the immediate impulse to take it out of gear, once we had time to suss the situation, but *not everyone does.* With the Audis, it was about not being in reverse. People starting to jump forward, thinking they were in reverse, and trying to go 'more backward' By stomping the gas.

Theory, reality. different. Controls should work.

I had kind of an opposite problem once when I threw a rod doing about 75 in heavy traffic: being used to a standard, and very quick, I had the extra tenth of a second to register, ater a first wrong impulse, to get the bucking car in neutral and get over to the shoulder on momentum. Could as easily have put that car right down in the median ditch, or been rear-ended and shoved there, if I'd been just a little slower on the uptake.
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