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02-10-2010, 03:16 PM   #1
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a discussion on god... god i was bored..


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You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!

Stranger: Eternal Father, I offer you the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of your dearly beloved Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ, in atonement for our sins and those of the whole world.

You: wait

You: hold up

You: back up

You: sit down

Stranger: k

You: are you saying that i'm the Eternal Father?

Stranger: no

Stranger: i said about God

You: ohh, well you should include that then.

You: or add some sort of introductory sentence

Stranger: who is clever ll understand

You: no

You: you see

You: this is why people think you are crazy

You: because you sound like you are having a conversation with someone else while having a conversation with them

Stranger: so what do u propose?

You: let your correspondant know that you are not talking to them

You: but to someone else

You: or

You: about

You: someone else

You: or something else..

Stranger: good idea

Stranger: i ll add apendix

You: there you go

You: a step in the right direction

You: structure and clarity should come before all

You: delivery is everything

You: content is secondary

Stranger: people has differen approeches to this

You: yeah, knowing on doors with fake smiles on is a bad one

You: knocking*

You: also offering up body and blood.. not very timely

Stranger: i m not sure t

Stranger: its prayer

You: your party slogan should be "relieve stress from your every day troubles"

Stranger: religion is not comfortable

You: are you sure?

Stranger: yes

You: What feelings do you get when you practice religion.

You: When you are in church, praying, when you leave.. how do you feel?

Stranger: i don t think like that

Stranger: its normal

You: Like brushing your teeth and putting pants on?

Stranger: no

You: There is always cause and effect

You: What is your cause, and what is your effect?

Stranger: ask yourself

Stranger: u are not police officer

You: I am asking.

You: I am asking you.

You: I do not need to ask myself, as i have my own answer, but i want to hear your answer.

Stranger: i know that God is existing so thats why

Stranger: he is my Lord

You: So you pray to God so that...

Stranger: yes

You: so that what?

You: You acknolwedge his existance?

You: So that he my acknowledge yours when the time comes?

You: my=may*

Stranger: its hard to say

You: I can say the same thing about my parents

You: they are my lords..

Stranger: do u belive in God?

You: but i dont pray to them.

Stranger: its not the same

You: Are you seriously asking me that question? Ofcourse not.

Stranger: u need mery of faith

Stranger: mercy

You: what is mercy of faith?

You: and

You: define faith

You: Is the Christian God different from the Hindu God?

Stranger: yes

You: What about Allah and Buddah

Stranger: hindu has a lot of gods

Stranger: there is only one God

You: but there exists in the world other gods

Stranger: no

You: so only one of you can be right

Stranger: yes

You: therefore conflict rises

You: i would much rather not care either way

You: and avoid conflict

Stranger: yes

You: as for faith

You: i put faith in my family, friends, peers, and co-workers

You: i put faith into them so that they may put faith into me

Stranger: if u say truth always ll apper people who ll not agree with u

You: why do you think i need to put faith into someone else?

Stranger: appear

Stranger: u don t need cuz u don t believe

You: so then i am not worse or better off

Stranger: i think u are looking for the answers for many questions ,thats good

You: i simply want to understand your reasoning

You: at the end of the day, i do not care, but i just want to know

Stranger: ii have right to say what i want

Stranger: i m sure that i m right so Im sharing with people

You: you are free to claim that you are right, but you also have to present logic and sound argument to prove it

You: religion of any kind, rests on the requirement to believe without questioning

Stranger: yes u are right but my english is not so good to present such complicated topics

You: even with good english you will have a very difficult time

You: i spent some time studying the biblie

You: and various editions

You: and other religions

You: logic is not on your side

You: unfortunetly

Stranger: yes

Stranger: cuz faith isn t proven by science

You: dont confuse logic with science

You: logic has existed since the time of the greeks

You: before Christ

Stranger: yes

Stranger: who said that religion has to be logical?

Stranger: why religion of Greeks doesn t exist?

You: that is why they are known as Myths

You: ie

You: not real

You: legends

You: folk lore

Stranger: but they believed in many gods

You: and then time passed and they abandoned their beliefs

Stranger: 2000 y

You: once more and more people started to excercise logic in their everyday discourse

You: well, things moved very slow back then

You: transfer of information

You: new ideas

Stranger: 2000 years of christin history

You: discussion

You: lots of bloodshed too

Stranger: its still same roman catholic church which was established by Jesus

Stranger: yes

You: you said its not about comfort

You: before

You: at the beginning

You: but i think its exactly that which makes religion so easy to fall into

Stranger: i suppose u pretend to be clever then 2000 of christian history?

You: i dont pretend to be clever, i am asking you questions which you have not provided answers to

Stranger: its not so easy to fal into religion for example u)

You: because i do not want the easy way out

You: also because there are many things

You: which religion teaches

You: that can be taught

You: without religion

You: like being good to your neighbor

You: or not killing or stealing

You: being honest

You: etc

Stranger: so what wll happen with u after death?

You: nothing

You: i'll be dead

You: poof

You: no more me

You: Humans are not special

Stranger: SO WHY U need to be honest now?lets grab the bank we ll be rich

You: you cant grab the bank

Stranger: if there is nothing after death

Stranger: why?

You: well i want to enjoy the time i have now in as much peace and quiet as i can

You: i want to dedicate my time to learning

You: learning new cultures

You: learning new languages

You: learning history

Stranger: we can kill we can steal there is no God there is no eternity

You: do you even know what eternity is

Stranger: imagine taht?

Stranger: u don t believe in eternity

You: do you not find the idea of eternal life hilarious?

Stranger: God is eternal

You: but god is not man

Stranger: and your soul is too etrnal

You: how can you believe in eternal life when you cant even imagine it

Stranger: so what happen aftre death if your soul is eternal?

You: i dont believe in the concept of eternity

You: our universe is ultimetly finite

Stranger: why u think that i can t imagine?

You: because you have nothing to compare to

Stranger: i told u faith is nt scientical proven

You: but you have no problems living in a world where science is providing you with many of your lifes luxuries

Stranger: so what if after death God ll ask u,,why u didn t believe in me?,,

You: i'll tell him that i am a man of reason, of logic, and of science.

You: If a man comes to you on the street

You: and asks for 1000 dollars

Stranger: and what happen if the hell is real?

You: and says he will give it back to you in 7 days time

You: will you give him the money?

Stranger: no

You: but why?

You: have faith

Stranger: i don t trust him

You: but you trust god?

You: who you cant even see or touch

You: or reason with

Stranger: yes

You: or talk to

Stranger: cuz he vever betrayed me

Stranger: never]

You: and when did he support you?

Stranger: all the time

You: "all time time" ehh?

Stranger: God is supporting me is same places when the devil is supporting u


Stranger: in

Stranger: *

Stranger: in same*

You: but i am not doing anything different from you

Stranger: really?

You: i do not steal

You: i do not cheat

You: i do not murder

You: i follow rules, i help the helpless

You: or those that ask for help

Stranger: thats good

You: i do not wage war

You: i do not fight unless in defence

You: and even then

You: i would rather run away than risk my life or the life of another

You: how am i different from you?

Stranger: u are not differentmeybe even your behaviur is better

Stranger: then me*

You: but why is it that i do all these things because of logic, and reason, and not because i am afraid of Satan or Hell

Stranger: for example do u support the right to abortion?

You: how come i do not need God to tell me these things

You: If my wife had a child i would not want her to abort

You: but at the same time she is free to choose her own path.

You: i just may not be with her if she does.

Stranger: k

Stranger: so u are good man without God ?

You: i would like to think so, yes

You: atleast

Stranger: why u are good man cuz u worry about criminal law ?

You: not always

You: i worry about my well being and my future (limited, future)

You: alot of times it is the same as being afraid of criminal law

Stranger: for example u are going to the shop and u see the best notebook u don t have money but u want to get it WHY U DON T STEAL?

Stranger: there is no good there is no evil

You: risk and reward

Stranger: u can take what u want cuz there is no punish

You: i risk the rest of my life for a small gain

You: ofcourse there is punish!

Stranger: hahaha

You: i dont want to be in a concrete room and being ass raped by big men

Stranger: so u scare only about law

You: no, i am scared of big man trying to rape me

Stranger: hahaha

Stranger: big man is effect of the law

You: but thats just social dynamics

You: that existed before christ

Stranger: yes

You: there were good people before christ

You: and there were good people after christ

You: to live peacefully you have to follow social dynamics

Stranger: the problem is with that your parents probably weren t religious people

You: "law" is just social dynamics written out

You: no, my mom is religious

You: my dad was too busy taking care of his family to pray to god

Stranger: i hope u ll change your mind

You: sorry mate

You: you have not convinced me

You: infact

Stranger: i know

You: you have attempted very little at convincing me

Stranger: u ve got free will

You: you promise me something that no one has seen or experienced, from a man no one has seen or experienced, and you ask me to trust it with all my heart... when you will not trust another human being asking you for money.

You: your argument is not very convincing

You: you say god has never let you down, but you cant provide examples of when he has saved you

Stranger: cuz i don t know english as well

You: when you get into a car crash, god does not save you, the paramedics do

Stranger: what if paremedic didn t save u?

You: then you dead!

You: haha

Stranger: your body ll be dead but not soul

You: so where does the soul go

Stranger: heaven or hell

You: for eternity

Stranger: ues

You: okay

Stranger: yes

You: what about babies

You: if our life

You: is a test

Stranger: heaven

Stranger: they are sinless

You: but why do babies go to heaven, they have not proven themselves good or bad

You: then we should kill all babies!

You: we should stop having children

Stranger: if u kill babies i m sure u ll go to hell


You: thats okay

You: i will sacrafice myself

You: thinka bout it

You: we kill ALL babies

Stranger: and babies will be happy in heaven

You: and everyone stops having babies

You: so no more babies

Stranger: interesting idea

You: the rest of the world lives out their lives

You: until they die

You: then everyone will go to their respective places

You: and there will be no more humans

You: and everyone will be in either heaven or hell!

Stranger: but i don t want to support your plan

Stranger: bye

Your conversational partner has disconnected.


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02-10-2010, 04:03 PM   #2
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I don't know about those who say 'God,' ...but if you're a Pagan, one thing you should absolutely never ever ever say unless you really really really no-takesies-backsies *mean* it is....

"Oh, Goddess, I'm bored."


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A lot of pointless jiggerish to let us know you have no belief in God, and expect no one else should either. I wouldn't waste my time trying to convince you...or anyone else...of the existence of God. People do not find God.....not ever....God finds people, and obviously he hasn't ever found you....when God finds you, you know it. Unfortunately, many just humm the tune, but know none of the words, and are as distant from God as you are. My sympathy....
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all belief falls under the category of either being rational, or irrational.

like smoking.. its an irrational action but people do it.

i have no problems with irrational beliefs so long as people admit to them.

i have yet to meet a god believing person that will admit to their belief being irrational.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Gooshin Quote
all belief falls under the category of either being rational, or irrational.
You left out two lesser known categories: beliefs that are simultaneously rational and irrational, and also beliefs that are neither rational nor irrational.

The rest is great.
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QuoteOriginally posted by dragonfly Quote
You left out two lesser known categories: beliefs that are simultaneously rational and irrational, and also beliefs that are neither rational nor irrational.

The rest is great.
what would be an example?
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Not my place to argue this point, there is no way it would benefit either of us....but I can tell you for sure that I understand more about your belief, or lack of it , than you do mine. I have been where you are, but you have never been where I am. I don't say that in any derogatory sense, and I am not one of those "I have it and you don't" Christians, it is just the simple truth. I don't wish you "have what I have"...if you are supposed to, you will, without any effort by me, and I don't wish you the misfortune to realize any "reality of hell"....that is also none of my determination or responsibility. It is like rain...if it comes you get wet...if it doesn't, you don't. And....if you get wet you know it, you don't need to be either rational or irrational to know you are wet.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Gooshin Quote
all belief falls under the category of either being rational, or irrational.

Or... Not binary?



We're not entirely rational creatures. Actually, one can know rationally that most of our actual experience is *quite subjective.*

One can accept that and dream it lucidly, or it might just end up constantly getting out of whatever place where you lock your subconscious and instincts away and try to call yourself above anything but reason.

What most people call 'belief' these days is about trying to make all that agree with what they can divine out of a book: Pronounce 'This is real!" Or "This is not real!" and again wonder why it so rarely seems to work.

Reason's a *tool.* And a good one. Not one to be misused. We're capable of extraordinary dreams and extraordinary feats of reasoning. It doesn't do to try and make either one obey the other.


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Well, you don't have to go back all that far in time to find a book that will convince you the world is flat, if you use the same logic and reason that prevailed in the "world of science and physics" of the times. Not everything you see is "what you see" and not everything you don't see is non-existant.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ratmagiclady Quote
I don't know about those who say 'God,' ...but if you're a Pagan, one thing you should absolutely never ever ever say unless you really really really no-takesies-backsies *mean* it is....

"Oh, Goddess, I'm bored."


or, as the old saying goes "Karma's a real bitch!"

do Pagans get three times the Karma, too?

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