Should businesses be allowed to use social websites to weed out candidates for jobs?

Rupert · 03-01-2010, 06:02 PM

Hey, I'm just playing by the rules....all Libs are portrayed as Democrats....so all Conservatives must be Republicans? There is no room for middle ground or reason in America....haven't you got the word yet?
Regards!

wlank · 03-01-2010, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by Hey Elwood

Hi everyone,

I've been debating this issue for a long time and want to get the forum's opinions on this. Should HR departments be allowed to weed out employment candidates utilizing social websites such as Facebook and MySpace? Should companies have the right to preselect people based on their religious, political, etc background or should this be concidered a descrimination violation? I'm just curious what everyone thinks?

Elwood

I think that the US Army (the employer) should have been a little more vigorous in learning the religious and political background of Maj. Nidal Hasan (the employee). Maybe 13 people who he allegedly murdered would be alive today. I believe that the employer should use all means available.

Rupert · 03-02-2010, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by wlank

I think that the US Army (the employer) should have been a little more vigorous in learning the religious and political background of Maj. Nidal Hasan (the employee). Maybe 13 people who he allegedly murdered would be alive today. I believe that the employer should use all means available.

Or maybe the superiors, including those at the Whitehouse that disregarded the FBI agent that reported Arabs training to fly Jumbo Jets......not once did he report it, not twice, no, not even three times. He reported it thirty nine times in E-mails, phone calls (recorded) and in written correspondence. (All verified in Federal Trial Testimony) But no one wanted to check it out.....it surely could have prevented 911...but then we couldn't have found a convenient reason to invade Iraq, could we? Conspiracy? I used to think so until I realized after watching George Bush for eight years that he was truly just that dumb. These guys could have laid out their entire plan on Facebook and Jesus George would have missed it......
Regards!

Parallax · 03-03-2010, 05:49 AM

Originally posted by Rupert

I used to think so until I realized after watching George Bush for eight years that he was truly just that dumb. These guys could have laid out their entire plan on Facebook and Jesus George would have missed it......
Regards!

I agree with the basic sentiment but calling him dumb is actually being rather charitable. Are you softening in your old age, Rupert?

Rupert · 03-03-2010, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by Parallax

I agree with the basic sentiment but calling him dumb is actually being rather charitable. Are you softening in your old age, Rupert?

My apologies, I am just trying to be a kinder, gentler, Rupert. If I offended anyone with the charitable wording, it was not my intention. My intention would be to see the mangy retarded pinhead (Yes, retarded truly is a word.....sorry Sarah!) tried by a jury and hung for all the world to view for his ignorance and crimes against humanity.

Better?
Regards!

GeneV · 03-03-2010, 10:46 AM

I would phrase the question as "shouldn't we understand what we are doing when we post on the internet?"

If you wrote a letter to the editor to be published in the local paper, would you call it an invasion of privacy if your employer read it? We are not chatting in a small corner of a cafe or in our living rooms. Put up a facebook page, and the world can see it and even search it. "Friend" someone you don't immediately know, and you have invited them to sit in on your conversation on the wall.

Reading emails--that is another question entirely. However, I never cease to be amazed at what people will post on a Facebook page that they have allowed a few hundred people to see. Privacy starts with what we choose to publish. I read tweets from people that I would not write in a diary that would be locked in a vault.

Wheatfield · 03-03-2010, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by Rupert

My apologies, I am just trying to be a kinder, gentler, Rupert. If I offended anyone with the charitable wording, it was not my intention. My intention would be to see the mangy retarded pinhead (Yes, retarded truly is a word.....sorry Sarah!) tried by a jury and hung for all the world to view for his ignorance and crimes against humanity.

Better?
Regards!

It is quite amazing isn't it.
Yesterday, I read a news article about a woman (married to an American) and her two kids who are being deported from California back to Australia because her 13 year old son has been charged with stealing 46 cents from another kid in a schoolyard altercation.
But GWB still has his freedom.
Quite the disconnect, no?

wlank · 03-03-2010, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

Yesterday, I read a news article about a woman (married to an American) and her two kids who are being deported from California back to Australia because her 13 year old son has been charged with stealing 46 cents from another kid in a schoolyard altercation.

Could you provide an internet link or the name of the publication that you read?

Parallax · 03-03-2010, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by wlank

Could you provide an internet link or the name of the publication that you read?

Link 1

Link 2

Google is your friend.

gokenin · 03-03-2010, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

It is quite amazing isn't it.
Yesterday, I read a news article about a woman (married to an American) and her two kids who are being deported from California back to Australia because her 13 year old son has been charged with stealing 46 cents from another kid in a schoolyard altercation.
But GWB still has his freedom.
Quite the disconnect, no?

Now did you miss the part of the article that said her visa had expired over 9 months ago and that she was staying in country illegally? Please tell me that your lovely Canada would let someone stay there without threat of deportation if they were discovered 9 months after their visa has expired? The reason for the deportation was not the action of the kid it was his action that made the authorities look at her visa and finding out it had expired and this is what is causing the deportation procedures to take place.

on a side note does anyone here actually think that CHANGE.ORG can actually be thought of as being an unbiased source of information?

Wheatfield · 03-03-2010, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by gokenin

Now did you miss the part of the article that said her visa had expired over 9 months ago and that she was staying in country illegally? Please tell me that your lovely Canada would let someone stay there without threat of deportation if they were discovered 9 months after their visa has expired? The reason for the deportation was not the action of the kid it was his action that made the authorities look at her visa and finding out it had expired and this is what is causing the deportation procedures to take place.

on a side note does anyone here actually think that CHANGE.ORG can actually be thought of as being an unbiased source of information?

I may be mistaken, but I believe in Canada, if I marry the person, they are kinda sorta Canadians.
Anyway, I thought it a bit harsh to deport her when letting her catch up on her paperwork would probably be the right thing to do.
But then, I'm a bit of a softie that way.

wlank · 03-04-2010, 04:36 AM

Originally posted by Parallax

Link 1

Link 2

Google is your friend.

Google is not my friend. Check their privacy policies. But in this case I was asking Wheatfield for his sources. Not something you happened to google. They may or may not be the same. The El Paso Times is my daily paper, and had they reported this story, I doubt it would have been the same, or perhaps even similar to the story in your links.

FWIW immigrant rights is a HOT BUTTON issue around here.

Parallax · 03-04-2010, 06:17 AM

Originally posted by wlank

Google is not my friend. Check their privacy policies. But in this case I was asking Wheatfield for his sources. Not something you happened to google.

Perhaps a PM would have been more appropriate then, rather than an open post that could be mistaken by a well intentioned responder as a general request for information. My apologies. I wasn't aware that your posts were Hallowed ground not to be responded to by those who weren't specifically addressed by them.

Wheatfield · 03-04-2010, 06:36 AM

Originally posted by wlank

Google is not my friend. Check their privacy policies. But in this case I was asking Wheatfield for his sources. Not something you happened to google. They may or may not be the same. The El Paso Times is my daily paper, and had they reported this story, I doubt it would have been the same, or perhaps even similar to the story in your links.

FWIW immigrant rights is a HOT BUTTON issue around here.

I think this is ABC News.
Australian family faces deportation after fight - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

gokenin · 03-04-2010, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

I may be mistaken, but I believe in Canada, if I marry the person, they are kinda sorta Canadians.
Anyway, I thought it a bit harsh to deport her when letting her catch up on her paperwork would probably be the right thing to do.
But then, I'm a bit of a softie that way.

actually if you marry a Canadian you still have to go through the process, you first have to apply for a permanent alien visa and after you get that you can then begin the process to become a legal citizen of Canada, there is nothing that gives you immediate citizanship

I found this answer when googling How to Apply for Canadian Citizenship - Step-by-Step Instructions on How to Apply for Canadian Citizenship

Love the difficulty level as HARD

seemed a little easier to read than the offical answer anyway
Who qualifies for Canadian Citizenship? - Canada immigration services and canada immigration forms & applications

sort of makes you think that the Canadians dont want to let anyone in

03-03-2010, 10:46 AM	#66
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	I would phrase the question as "shouldn't we understand what we are doing when we post on the internet?" If you wrote a letter to the editor to be published in the local paper, would you call it an invasion of privacy if your employer read it? We are not chatting in a small corner of a cafe or in our living rooms. Put up a facebook page, and the world can see it and even search it. "Friend" someone you don't immediately know, and you have invited them to sit in on your conversation on the wall. Reading emails--that is another question entirely. However, I never cease to be amazed at what people will post on a Facebook page that they have allowed a few hundred people to see. Privacy starts with what we choose to publish. I read tweets from people that I would not write in a diary that would be locked in a vault. Last edited by GeneV; 03-03-2010 at 11:37 AM.

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03-01-2010, 06:02 PM	#61
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Hey, I'm just playing by the rules....all Libs are portrayed as Democrats....so all Conservatives must be Republicans? There is no room for middle ground or reason in America....haven't you got the word yet? Regards!

03-01-2010, 07:08 PM	#62
wlank Inactive Account Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Santa Teresa, New Mexico Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,130	Originally posted by Hey Elwood Hi everyone, I've been debating this issue for a long time and want to get the forum's opinions on this. Should HR departments be allowed to weed out employment candidates utilizing social websites such as Facebook and MySpace? Should companies have the right to preselect people based on their religious, political, etc background or should this be concidered a descrimination violation? I'm just curious what everyone thinks? Elwood I think that the US Army (the employer) should have been a little more vigorous in learning the religious and political background of Maj. Nidal Hasan (the employee). Maybe 13 people who he allegedly murdered would be alive today. I believe that the employer should use all means available.

03-02-2010, 09:54 PM	#63
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Originally posted by wlank I think that the US Army (the employer) should have been a little more vigorous in learning the religious and political background of Maj. Nidal Hasan (the employee). Maybe 13 people who he allegedly murdered would be alive today. I believe that the employer should use all means available. Or maybe the superiors, including those at the Whitehouse that disregarded the FBI agent that reported Arabs training to fly Jumbo Jets......not once did he report it, not twice, no, not even three times. He reported it thirty nine times in E-mails, phone calls (recorded) and in written correspondence. (All verified in Federal Trial Testimony) But no one wanted to check it out.....it surely could have prevented 911...but then we couldn't have found a convenient reason to invade Iraq, could we? Conspiracy? I used to think so until I realized after watching George Bush for eight years that he was truly just that dumb. These guys could have laid out their entire plan on Facebook and Jesus George would have missed it...... Regards!

03-03-2010, 05:49 AM	#64
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by Rupert I used to think so until I realized after watching George Bush for eight years that he was truly just that dumb. These guys could have laid out their entire plan on Facebook and Jesus George would have missed it...... Regards! I agree with the basic sentiment but calling him dumb is actually being rather charitable. Are you softening in your old age, Rupert?

03-03-2010, 09:53 AM	#65
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Originally posted by Parallax I agree with the basic sentiment but calling him dumb is actually being rather charitable. Are you softening in your old age, Rupert? My apologies, I am just trying to be a kinder, gentler, Rupert. If I offended anyone with the charitable wording, it was not my intention. My intention would be to see the mangy retarded pinhead (Yes, retarded truly is a word.....sorry Sarah!) tried by a jury and hung for all the world to view for his ignorance and crimes against humanity. Better? Regards!

03-03-2010, 12:15 PM	#67
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,975	Originally posted by Rupert My apologies, I am just trying to be a kinder, gentler, Rupert. If I offended anyone with the charitable wording, it was not my intention. My intention would be to see the mangy retarded pinhead (Yes, retarded truly is a word.....sorry Sarah!) tried by a jury and hung for all the world to view for his ignorance and crimes against humanity. Better? Regards! It is quite amazing isn't it. Yesterday, I read a news article about a woman (married to an American) and her two kids who are being deported from California back to Australia because her 13 year old son has been charged with stealing 46 cents from another kid in a schoolyard altercation. But GWB still has his freedom. Quite the disconnect, no?

03-03-2010, 01:07 PM	#68
wlank Inactive Account Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Santa Teresa, New Mexico Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,130	Originally posted by Wheatfield Yesterday, I read a news article about a woman (married to an American) and her two kids who are being deported from California back to Australia because her 13 year old son has been charged with stealing 46 cents from another kid in a schoolyard altercation. Could you provide an internet link or the name of the publication that you read?

03-03-2010, 01:16 PM	#69
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by wlank Could you provide an internet link or the name of the publication that you read? Link 1 Link 2 Google is your friend.

03-03-2010, 04:16 PM	#70
gokenin Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: lowell,ma Posts: 1,899	Originally posted by Wheatfield It is quite amazing isn't it. Yesterday, I read a news article about a woman (married to an American) and her two kids who are being deported from California back to Australia because her 13 year old son has been charged with stealing 46 cents from another kid in a schoolyard altercation. But GWB still has his freedom. Quite the disconnect, no? Now did you miss the part of the article that said her visa had expired over 9 months ago and that she was staying in country illegally? Please tell me that your lovely Canada would let someone stay there without threat of deportation if they were discovered 9 months after their visa has expired? The reason for the deportation was not the action of the kid it was his action that made the authorities look at her visa and finding out it had expired and this is what is causing the deportation procedures to take place. on a side note does anyone here actually think that CHANGE.ORG can actually be thought of as being an unbiased source of information?

03-03-2010, 07:14 PM	#71
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,975	Originally posted by gokenin Now did you miss the part of the article that said her visa had expired over 9 months ago and that she was staying in country illegally? Please tell me that your lovely Canada would let someone stay there without threat of deportation if they were discovered 9 months after their visa has expired? The reason for the deportation was not the action of the kid it was his action that made the authorities look at her visa and finding out it had expired and this is what is causing the deportation procedures to take place. on a side note does anyone here actually think that CHANGE.ORG can actually be thought of as being an unbiased source of information? I may be mistaken, but I believe in Canada, if I marry the person, they are kinda sorta Canadians. Anyway, I thought it a bit harsh to deport her when letting her catch up on her paperwork would probably be the right thing to do. But then, I'm a bit of a softie that way.

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03-04-2010, 04:36 AM	#72
wlank Inactive Account Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Santa Teresa, New Mexico Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,130	Originally posted by Parallax Link 1 Link 2 Google is your friend. Google is not my friend. Check their privacy policies. But in this case I was asking *Wheatfield* for his sources. Not something you happened to google. They may or may not be the same. The El Paso Times is my daily paper, and had they reported this story, I doubt it would have been the same, or perhaps even similar to the story in your links. FWIW immigrant rights is a HOT BUTTON issue around here.

03-04-2010, 06:17 AM	#73
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by wlank Google is not my friend. Check their privacy policies. But in this case I was asking *Wheatfield* for his sources. Not something you happened to google. Perhaps a PM would have been more appropriate then, rather than an open post that could be mistaken by a well intentioned responder as a general request for information. My apologies. I wasn't aware that your posts were Hallowed ground not to be responded to by those who weren't specifically addressed by them.

03-04-2010, 06:36 AM	#74
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,975	Originally posted by wlank Google is not my friend. Check their privacy policies. But in this case I was asking *Wheatfield* for his sources. Not something you happened to google. They may or may not be the same. The El Paso Times is my daily paper, and had they reported this story, I doubt it would have been the same, or perhaps even similar to the story in your links. FWIW immigrant rights is a HOT BUTTON issue around here. I think this is ABC News. Australian family faces deportation after fight - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

03-04-2010, 12:46 PM	#75
gokenin Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: lowell,ma Posts: 1,899	Originally posted by Wheatfield I may be mistaken, but I believe in Canada, if I marry the person, they are kinda sorta Canadians. Anyway, I thought it a bit harsh to deport her when letting her catch up on her paperwork would probably be the right thing to do. But then, I'm a bit of a softie that way. actually if you marry a Canadian you still have to go through the process, you first have to apply for a permanent alien visa and after you get that you can then begin the process to become a legal citizen of Canada, there is nothing that gives you immediate citizanship I found this answer when googling How to Apply for Canadian Citizenship - Step-by-Step Instructions on How to Apply for Canadian Citizenship Love the difficulty level as HARD seemed a little easier to read than the offical answer anyway Who qualifies for Canadian Citizenship? - Canada immigration services and canada immigration forms & applications sort of makes you think that the Canadians dont want to let anyone in