[Rupert]

I was invited over here by a Pentaxian to voice my opinion. I have brought an extra pair of underwear and a wet suit to dive into the water here. Here it goes.

Cindy Sheehan and about 1,000 other people have protested in Washington DC stating that President Obama is a War Criminal. She knows what she is talking about as she protested in Crawford TX. in 2005 against Bush and Cheney being War Criminals also. I guess she knows what she is talking about then. It is about time that we get rid of all the cronyism, nepotism, unamericanism that is going on now in this Administration. Healthcare debacle, dept, war, unemployment, lousy education system, taxing sodas, insurance policies, big macs, SUV’s, trying to take our guns away or register every gun we have and pay a tax on them. Where does it end? Where is our freedom going?
We are loosing it really fast! It needs to be stopped. We've essentially become a country of restrictions rather than a country of freedoms.
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Well, I am going to have a hard time responding to that....knowing that some here have hired an assassin just for old Rupert plain scares the living daylights out of me.......you guys all know how easily intimidated I am.
Then to hear that you are using that highly respected and well thought of Cindy Sheehan as a backup for your gunslinger......that may be more than I can handle. You guys always did appreciate her wisdom.....right? I think I may take a break for a while and see if I can gather up enough backbone to continue here.......the shaking has already made me spill my coffee, and anyhow, I need to stay close to the Tube to see the Historic Moment when that "Magic Negro Guy" steamrolls your "Party of No". Before you even get started........we all know it is NOT how you play the game, it is if you win! And we have been winning for quite a while now.....and more is to come! Stay tuned!
Best Regards& Welcome to the "War Room"
Rupert

[redrockcoulee]

Funny thing you mention is the amount you're taxed in Canada to cover costs such as healthcare.
Here in America we are used to paying a few measly (maybe a hundred or so) dollars a month for healthcare. I actually pay no medical premiums at my new job.

What I find funny in the argument down there is the statement that the "Obamacare" is socialism and communism (not that the two are the same) and even tied to Nazism which is the far right not left but if any Canadian politician tried to change our health care to one like the US is proposing he or she would be accused of Americaizing our health care.

[Rupert]

A large percentage of the right are just ordinary working guys and girls, struggling like those on the left or down the middle. They have the same wants and needs, and mostly the same goals in life to provide for their families and make a better future for their children. Unfortunately, the Fat Cats of the right have enslaved their little minds with "Buzz Words" like gays, abortion, socialism, communism, minorities, illegals, and on and on to keep them under their thumbs and further their own capitalistic interests, which often include robbing those that support them.

They hate anything that might afford their children a better life if the Fat Cats tell them to. Like Social Security.....as controversial at the time of passage as Obamacare is today.....and yet the little children of the times have benefited immensely from it, but the right still wants to destroy it.......they really don't care about their "Worker Bees".....just the tax they are forced to pay.

Medicare....same thing. It has been a lifesaver and Godsend to countless millions, even the right wing workers that can see their parents get medical attention that without such a plan, they would be paying for from their own retirement funds...or be forced to watch their parents die in poverty and misery. Once again, the right demonizes this plan and wants to do away with it.

Now comes Obamacare.....the start of a plan that will help countless millions of Americans to get medical treatment for themselves and their families without bankrupting them....or worse, being forced to watch their children receive no treatment or sub-standard treatment.

All of these programs came to us courtesy of the Democrats. The right wing lies and scare tactics continue as always, but you ask around and see which of your neighbors and relatives want to turn in their Social Security and Medicare? Try to tell them that you favor stopping those plans at once, as your "Handlers" would love to do...and see how fast those old people can load their shotguns....the ones you say will be taken away....yeah right! As long as the right can control their mindless little "Lap Doggies" with ignorance and scare tactics, like seeing Russia from their porch, and "Death Squads" roaming the streets looking for old geezers to knock off, we will have this battle raging....and just as in the past, the left will always win, because as Obama declared yesterday, it is the right thing for Americans...and the vast majority always agrees.
Best Regards!

[GeneV]

Funny thing you mention is the amount you're taxed in Canada to cover costs such as healthcare.
Here in America we are used to paying a few measly (maybe a hundred or so) dollars a month for healthcare. I actually pay no medical premiums at my new job.

Sadly, most of us have no idea how much our employer is paying behind the scenes.

I think if people knew the real cost of their insurance they would change their tune about what is being done with the money. At my prior employment I paid about $100 a month in insurance premiums (about $1200 a year). That company paid $11,000 a year for insurance on each person on top of that.

That total cost is twice what any other industrial nation pays per capita. I am an employer who furnishes health insurance and I sit on a board of another company struggling with this cost. Your numbers are typical. The level of expense we are talking about here is not comparable to the purchase of a camera or a big screen TV. It is more like the cost of a home. The medium household income in the U.S. is about $50k. The cost of insurance for family coverage averages $12k. It is 22% of the median family income. On top of that, this plan may or may not cover what the family needs. Something has to give.

[mtroute]

Sadly, this seems to be the most common argument against the "government run health plan" I hear over and over again. It is also the most foolish and uninformed.

Unless you are rich enough to pay for your own medical care and not need insurance, you ARE asking your neighbors to chip in the for the cost of your healthcare.
THATS WHAT INSURANCE IS!!!

Everyone pays into a large lump sum, from which money is stringently doled out to those people that the "company" feels is deserving. WAKE UP!!!

FINALLY someone that understand we have had socialized healthcare since health insurance started. All of the ignorant rantings about the "end of America" need to do some basic research. If you have health, life, auto, homeowners or any other insurance you are already paying for other peoples claims. The healthy pay for the sick, the good drivers pay for the bad drivers and the living pay for the dead.

But those ignoramus's don't let facts get in the way of your arguments...

[Rupert]

FINALLY someone that understand we have had socialized healthcare since health insurance started. All of the ignorant rantings about the "end of America" need to do some basic research. If you have health, life, auto, homeowners or any other insurance you are already paying for other peoples claims. The healthy pay for the sick, the good drivers pay for the bad drivers and the living pay for the dead.

But those ignoramus's don't let facts get in the way of your arguments...

MTROUTE, I haven't seen you around here often, and appreciate your participation, but when in this Forum, chocked full of right wing fruitloops and wingnuts, you need to understand that it is considered highly offensive and just plain unfair to introduce any "Facts" into the conversations. I know you mean well, but it is like bringing in a truckload of garlic to the House of Dracula. They have a severe allergy to facts and it quickly leads them to begin a ritual of spinning like a top to avoid any sense of reality or common sense.

In the future, try to humor them with words of encouragement, like telling them that modern science is on the verge of a pill that will make health insurance unnecessary....or that their child with a devastating disease is probably better off with just what medications you can afford at the local Drugstore.......they eat up this kind of Garbage like it is Gourmet Fixins'...........
Best Regards!

[Artesian]

So you're a professional troll, then?

Mods! We need the banhammer, stat!

The only thing I troll for is fish, and I usually eat them unless they do not meet the requirement set forth by the Texas Parks and Wildlife laws.
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Well, I am going to have a hard time responding to that....knowing that some here have hired an assassin just for old Rupert plain scares the living daylights out of me.......you guys all know how easily intimidated I am.
Then to hear that you are using that highly respected and well thought of Cindy Sheehan as a backup for your gunslinger......that may be more than I can handle. You guys always did appreciate her wisdom.....right? I think I may take a break for a while and see if I can gather up enough backbone to continue here.......the shaking has already made me spill my coffee, and anyhow, I need to stay close to the Tube to see the Historic Moment when that "Magic Negro Guy" steamrolls your "Party of No". Before you even get started........we all know it is NOT how you play the game, it is if you win! And we have been winning for quite a while now.....and more is to come! Stay tuned!
Best Regards& Welcome to the "War Room"
Rupert

Rupert,
I am just stating facts but I know you never like them to get in the way. Sheehan is still a nut, ranting and raving back like she did in 2005. Libs see her differently now she is trying to call your "Magic Negro Guy" a criminal. And by the way. I do not see anyone else in this discussion refering to our president as a "Negro Guy". Why does that have to be stated? He is our President and is just wrong. The majority of the American people are not in favor of this particular healthcare debockle. Yes something needs to be done as my healthcare which for the first time in my life I have since January has already gone up. I do not like something crammed down my throat so Government can get more power over us.
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[Rupert]

The only thing I troll for is fish, and I usually eat them unless they do not meet the requirement set forth by the Texas Parks and Wildlife laws.
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Rupert,
I am just stating facts but I know you never like them to get in the way. Sheehan is still a nut, ranting and raving back like she did in 2005. Libs see her differently now she is trying to call your "Magic Negro Guy" a criminal. And by the way. I do not see anyone else in this discussion refering to our president as a "Negro Guy". Why does that have to be stated? He is our President and is just wrong. The majority of the American people are not in favor of this particular healthcare debockle. Yes something needs to be done as my healthcare which for the first time in my life I have since January has already gone up. I do not like something crammed down my throat so Government can get more power over us.
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Well, if you read my above post, both of them, you can easily see that you little "Lap Doggies" avoid any real facts and just suck up to your Fat Cat handlers....and they are the ones that tell you what you do or don't need.

Sheehan is a nutcase, always has been, but she did bring down the support of Jesus George's phony war by having the balls to speak out when others did not. And she took her fight right to his front door! I have no idea what she is saying now....and it may or may not be the truth......haven't heard it yet. No matter, you used her for reference, not me, and she is still a first class fruitloop, no matter.

Magic Negro offensive? Tell it to the 14 or so million dedicated right wing Rush listeners that never tired of him playing it over and over and over......sure didn't seem offensive to them, did it? Was it offensive to you then? Did you call, write , or complain to your acknowledged right wing leader? Sounds a lot like selective offensiveness to me? But if I offended Obama, he can take a look at my maximum legal contribution to his election and decide if my quoting the Great Rush is really all that offensive......I'm betting he won't see it your way....wanna bet?
Regards!

[LeDave]

The poor want and need the health care reform to pass so they can afford health insurance, while the rich who don't need health insurance doesn't want it to pass so they can keep it all to themselves.

[Artesian]

The poor want and need the health care reform to pass so they can afford health insurance, while the rich who don't need health insurance doesn't want it to pass so they can keep it all to themselves.

You see Dave, that is the problem. The poor will still not be able to afford it and the rich don't need it. That leaves the middle class, that you did not mention ,paying for the whole thing and getting less care. Like I have heard from Libs for ever "It just isn't fair". What I dislike about it is it give the Fed 1/7th of the National revenue to squander like they do with any other program they touch. They always say they are going to cut this and that but never do, and continue to squander our money. Who in their right mind would let the government take over anything . Have you seen all the government services save a dime or do anything efficient? I think not and this will not be any better.
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[Wheatfield]

You see Dave, that is the problem. The poor will still not be able to afford it and the rich don't need it. That leaves the middle class, that you did not mention ,paying for the whole thing and getting less care. Like I have heard from Libs for ever "It just isn't fair". What I dislike about it is it give the Fed 1/7th of the National revenue to squander like they do with any other program they touch. They always say they are going to cut this and that but never do, and continue to squander our money. Who in their right mind would let the government take over anything . Have you seen all the government services save a dime or do anything efficient? I think not and this will not be any better.
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Of course the poor don't matter, they are universally bad people, mental defectives and the like who just won't do anything to help themselves.
Let them die on the street, you are better off without them.

[Mike Cash]

Mike - that would be a spurious analogy

If it were an analogy then, yes, I agree it would be a spurious analogy. But it wasn't an analogy; it was a direct question that meant precisely what it asked. I was curious about how far the cost of his camera gear would have gone toward providing himself with health insurance. What kind and for how long, that sort of thing.

America has fallen into a mindset of "Disposable income goes toward my wants, while my needs should be provided for by others."

[jeffkrol]

At liquidation prices and a family plan that actually covers anything 2 months tops.. and good luck finding a job w/ insurance that quick...... Besides it's most likely not the only expense that wouldn't be covered by reduced wages... argue all you want it would be a small bandage on a VERY BIG problem........
Look around Japan, they would consider ALL of these discussions barbaric.... Funny how the rest of the civilized world can't understand any of this...

[Wheatfield]

What I (and most Canadians on this forum, I expect) can't figure out is why you are so steadfastly married to the concept of "health insurance" as the one true way of providing health care.
If you dispense with "health insurance" and look at just providing health care, you will find yourselves much better off.
The very rich will still be able to bypass the queue, just like they do now, because in America, having money means you get to do that, and everyone else will have health care without having to worry about being written off by an insurance company whose first and foremost responsibility is to make money (and they make a lot of it) for it's shareholders.
Of course you can't let your government do it for you. Your government is as dishonest as any lying third world dictatorship, and you all revel in that dishonesty because ultimately, the American dream is about being rich and successful no matter who you have to screw to make it.
You really are an odd bunch of people, and it's no wonder your country is flushing itself down the sewer.

[Mike Cash]

At liquidation prices and a family plan that actually covers anything 2 months tops.. and good luck finding a job w/ insurance that quick...... Besides it's most likely not the only expense that wouldn't be covered by reduced wages... argue all you want it would be a small bandage on a VERY BIG problem........
Look around Japan, they would consider ALL of these discussions barbaric.... Funny how the rest of the civilized world can't understand any of this...

Funny how the only solutions some people can recognize involve surrendering liberties and property to the government, if we want to ponder things that strike us funny.

Do give me a few more lessons on Japan, please. I've not been paying very close attention the quarter-century I've been living here.