[Rupert]

It is still the same old story....the turtles on top of the fence post that got there "all by themselves" don't give a rat's hiney about any of their brothers still on the ground....but they are the ones that squeal the quickest and loudest when they fall off. No different here......it matters little now, Obama is leveling out the fence posts....as I type! History will show the Republicans as the "Party of No"....and millions of Americans that will now have improved health care will not forget it.....Those counting Obama down and out were a little to quick to count, and a little too slow to match his political skills.
Regards!

[Artesian]

It is still the same old story....the turtles on top of the fence post that got there "all by themselves" don't give a rat's hiney about any of their brothers still on the ground....but they are the ones that squeal the quickest and loudest when they fall off. No different here......it matters little now, Obama is leveling out the fence posts....as I type! History will show the Republicans as the "Party of No"....and millions of Americans that will now have improved health care will not forget it.....Those counting Obama down and out were a little to quick to count, and a little too slow to match his political skills.
Regards!

Yes his political skills being pay off the ones in your party that do not toe the line. Pretty much makes me sick. Corruption is as corruption does and this administration is better than all the others before ... even your cigar loving first black president that was really white.
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[Rupert]

Yes his political skills being pay off the ones in your party that do not toe the line. Pretty much makes me sick. Corruption is as corruption does and this administration is better than all the others before ... even your cigar loving first black president that was really white.
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Just one more of many very sore right wing losers that were Obama-Whipped tonight. Corruption? Where were you when Jesus George was lying to the UN and the American people to get us in his phony Iraqi war? When he was telling us only six months before the big collapse that we had a "Sound Economy"? When he was asking his chief legal counsel if he had the authority to wipe out an entire American community, men women and children, if it rebelled against his right wing agenda? You "freedom loving" self-righteous hypocrites....where were you then?
Regards!

[Wheatfield]

Funny how the only solutions some people can recognize involve surrendering liberties and property to the government, if we want to ponder things that strike us funny.

Interesting take. I get health care provided by the government.
I'm not giving up any liberties to get it, and I surrender less property to the government to pay for it than the average American surrenders to an HMO to get what I have.
Why the lies Mike?

[Ben_Edict]

How far would the price of a K-7, 16-50, and 50-135 go toward paying for insurance?

Did you go around your neighborhood and have everybody chip in for the cost of your camera gear? Would you go around your neighborhood and tell everybody to pony up for the cost of your insurance?

What's the cost of a needed heart surgery, compared to the cost of the health insurance?

Ben

[Rupert]

Interesting take. I get health care provided by the government.
I'm not giving up any liberties to get it, and I surrender less property to the government to pay for it than the average American surrenders to an HMO to get what I have.
Why the lies Mike?

Maybe old Mike has been on that ricewater so long that he has developed a taste that is just plain anti-American? Seems he is irritated at American greed more than anything.....and granted it is a disease.....one certainly not unknown in Japan....think Toyota.........or the big Japanese economical meltdown they suffered over a decade ago and are still trying to recover from......caused by....Greed!
Regards!

[Wheatfield]

Yes his political skills being pay off the ones in your party that do not toe the line. Pretty much makes me sick. Corruption is as corruption does and this administration is better than all the others before ... even your cigar loving first black president that was really white.
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Every politician in the USA is corrupt, it seems.
Why do you keep electing corrupt people?
Why do you support a corrupt system?
Obama is corrupt?
Maybe.
GWB was corrupt?
Most definitely, and he was as stupid as a domestic turkey and mean spirited ads a junkyard dog to boot.
Go back in time, when was the last stand up honest President?

Slick Willie and the blow job girls?
George SR? Did he do anything right?
Ronnie Regan and the arms for Contras?
Did Jimmie Carter acomplish anything one way or the other?
How about Gerald Ford?
And lets not forget tricky Dickie, he was so bad that he got himself impeached.
I could go on, but the point is, you like to elect crooked people to office, and then bleat about how you have a crooked government.
Would someone please tell me what part of stupid makes an entire population do this repeatedly and then think they have something to be proud of.
You guys are the new world laughing stock, complete with an tanking economy running on junk bonds.

Don't complain about corrupt politicians when the fact is, you draw your politicians out of the general population, which by extension pretty much makes you all a nation of crooks.

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[Rupert]

I'd sure like to disagree with you Wheatfield, you know how I love to beat on you when I can.....but I am afraid you did nail this one. Visitors to America can easily report what they saw here....it is on my friends coffee cup...."I See Dumb People".
Regards!

[jeffkrol]

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.. Key is the checks and balances... we eventually either vote them out or they "served their time" 8 years..
I have no problem with that.....
PERSONALLY.. Congress should be drawn from a lottery on the general population....I still believe the end would be the same..... until people are "perfect".
As to my "economic strategy" everyone should be "given" a set dollar amount when born.. only to be accessible when they turn 18-21..
The gov, collects the interest in part, the banks get "play money" for 18-21 years, and many entitlements go poof (student loans ect). At the age you get this sum you can do anything you want with it.. University, small biz, drugs,, ect. it's YOUR CHOICE.... but decrease the safety nets...
When I originally though of this idea (late 70's) the target amount was $100,000. This would be the de-facto standard of "Equal Opportunity"
fun for Monday....

[Parallax]

As to my "economic strategy" everyone should be "given" a set dollar amount when born.. only to be accessible when they turn 18-21..
The gov, collects the interest in part, the banks get "play money" for 18-21 years, and many entitlements go poof (student loans ect). At the age you get this sum you can do anything you want with it.. University, small biz, drugs,, ect. it's YOUR CHOICE.... but decrease the safety nets...
When I originally though of this idea (late 70's) the target amount was $100,000. This would be the de-facto standard of "Equal Opportunity"
fun for Monday....

The solution is really much simpler than that. The health care problem was solved yesterday by passing a bill that requires everyone to have health insurance and requires insurance companies to cover anyone who applies. Why not take the same approach with poverty? Just pass a law that requires everyone to have a job and requires employers to hire anybody who applies.

[artistcjconrad]

Every politician in the USA is corrupt, it seems.
Why do you keep electing corrupt people?
Why do you support a corrupt system?
Obama is corrupt?
Maybe.
GWB was corrupt?
Most definitely, and he was as stupid as a domestic turkey and mean spirited ads a junkyard dog to boot.
Go back in time, when was the last stand up honest President?

Slick Willie and the blow job girls?
George SR? Did he do anything right?
Ronnie Regan and the arms for Contras?
Did Jimmie Carter acomplish anything one way or the other?
How about Gerald Ford?
And lets not forget tricky Dickie, he was so bad that he got himself impeached.
I could go on, but the point is, you like to elect crooked people to office, and then bleat about how you have a crooked government.
Would someone please tell me what part of stupid makes an entire population do this repeatedly and then think they have something to be proud of.
You guys are the new world laughing stock, complete with an tanking economy running on junk bonds.

Don't complain about corrupt politicians when the fact is, you draw your politicians out of the general population, which by extension pretty much makes you all a nation of crooks.

+1 for you pal. But, I wouldn't say it's a nation of crooks....I would rather agree with Rupert's friend...'I see dumb people'

[Ratmagiclady]

Every politician in the USA is corrupt, it seems.
Why do you keep electing corrupt people?
Why do you support a corrupt system?

Don't complain about corrupt politicians when the fact is, you draw your politicians out of the general population, which by extension pretty much makes you all a nation of crooks.

In many ways, our current problems go right back to the deregulation of the media under Reagan and the later consolidations: the fact is, they've been owned by fewer and fewer multinationals who are wholly-involved with the corporate money... and often the right-wing agendas that *do the corrupting.*

The media was long set up so that companies could use the public airwaves for free, but in return, they had certain civil obligations and 'Fairness doctrines' to fulfill: deregulation resulted in an almost immediate decline of the quality of news reporting when corporations were allowed to turn them from what they did to pay the rent on the rest of their enterprises, to yet another cash cow to try and squeeze profit out of:

Result? Well, it's cheaper and more profitable to 'scandal-monger' and put up inflammatory opinions than to properly *investigate and report the news.* Close and bitter elections get better ratings, so they *make every election so, regardless of how ridiculous one of the candidates might be.*

Frankly, the elections end up merely turning into advertisements for campaigns and others to pay them lots of money to game the electoral college: particularly for advertising in battleground states.

The candidates we get to pick from generally can't be terribly brilliant, when anybody who's had enough of a life to have done anything that attack ads can be made about is simply disqualified from being in politics. (Unless, I suppose, they're a Republican who'll make interesting headlines)

We have the entire Fox News crowd who are *constantly* subject to disinformation and constantly are testing out as simply basing their decisions on 'facts' that aren't true.

We get the 'Values Vote' that gives disproportionate importance to professions of public piety (Which,of course, means we couldn't have a principled agnostic when there can be a Bible-waving hypocrite or flat-out liar) ....and even ideology that undermines the purpose of our law and has corroded the understanding of the civic process itself.

We get conservative corporate/right wing religious 'think tank' "*experts*" propagandizing and misleading people into believing there are some 'debates' about stuff that really isn't in significant dispute. Certainly on civil justice issues, they just repeat old 'prejudices' and relate misconstrued or discredited 'studies' to force a significant percentage of the population to essentially vote for whoever promises to help with this, or at least for who is least obsessed with harming us: of course on the other side, there's a significant number of people who *will* vote for anyone who promises to harm us, thinking they're 'protecting' something.

We get the Christianist agenda demanding Unconstitutional things and blaming the 'libruls' when these things are shown to be Unconstitutional.

We get sloganeering, lies and hysteria on all fronts from the Religious Right squalling how 'persecuted' they are if the government won't disenfranchise *others* and acting all threatened when this means people are *cheesed off at them.*

We get the whole system held hostage if someone wants to make Big Drama about a peccadillo, and we get total disinterest when something *boring* that *actually rips us off* is going down.

The two elections before this we had two excellently-qualified candidates going up against a mean-spirited pietistic eedjit....

Why'd the latter win? The opposition candidates, apart from being associated insistently with Clinton's peccadillo, committed the cardinal sin which the corporate news media will not forbid.

They were "boring."

Then the Dems come up with someone with charisma and oratory as well as smarts and progressive attitudes, the same people are saying he's "Scary. Could be a fascist commie Socialist Muslim Hindu Black Christian from Kenya! Or worse, Harvard!"

Guess all this makes 'Good TV.'

But why does this keep happening?

Corporate media deregulation. Campaign finance rules putting it mostly in the hands of Big Money and Big Religion.

[Rupert]

+1 for you pal. But, I wouldn't say it's a nation of crooks....I would rather agree with Rupert's friend...'I see dumb people'

You are so right...last night I watched the "Victory" unfold and had my 18 year old Grandson watch along for this "Historic Vote". He is no ordinary dummy...he is in his first year of college, was an honor graduate from a large and highly acclaimed High School, and currently has a 3.9 GPA. His Dad, my youngest son is a 22 year Army Officer, currently a Lt Col and also a Honor Graduate.

My Grandson didn't have a clue as to what was going on......didn't understand any of the procedures or even the issues, and interrupted every few seconds with things like "who's that woman"? (Pelosi). Is he typical......I'm afraid he is, and the product of an education system that has now removed Thomas Jefferson from the history books.........hey guys, we are in real deep do-do here in America! Apparently Civics class has been ruled unconstitutional.....and "I See Dumb People" coffee cups are a mystery phrase to far too many.
Regards!

[Artesian]

You are so right...last night I watched the "Victory" unfold and had my 18 year old Grandson watch along for this "Historic Vote". He is no ordinary dummy...he is in his first year of college, was an honor graduate from a large and highly acclaimed High School, and currently has a 3.9 GPA. His Dad, my youngest son is a 22 year Army Officer, currently a Lt Col and also a Honor Graduate.

My Grandson didn't have a clue as to what was going on......didn't understand any of the procedures or even the issues, and interrupted every few seconds with things like "who's that woman"? (Pelosi). Is he typical......I'm afraid he is, and the product of an education system that has now removed Thomas Jefferson from the history books.........hey guys, we are in real deep do-do here in America! Apparently Civics class has been ruled unconstitutional.....and "I See Dumb People" coffee cups are a mystery phrase to far too many.
Regards!

All I can say about last night is that it has happened again. Having this crap shoved down our throats. It is not what the majority of Americans want. If you want to follow the "Negro"( your word not mine) Pied Piper go ahead. I really feel sorry for your grandson who is loosing freedoms to the Big Brother and having to foot the bill for only 12 million people which most are covered by Medicade anyway.
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[Mike Cash]

Interesting take. I get health care provided by the government.
I'm not giving up any liberties to get it, and I surrender less property to the government to pay for it than the average American surrenders to an HMO to get what I have.
Why the lies Mike?

Where did I lie?

Having to buy a policy Congress dictates is certainly a loss of liberty. And the single-payer notion that many desire would certainly involve surrendering property to the government.