[Ratmagiclady]

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So I wonder how much passage of the "bill" really cost us? You know what I mean. How many "Cornhusker Kickbacks" are looming? How much did he have to promise/give away to make it happen? Or was a ride on AF1 enough for the rest of the holdouts?

It's certainly not the real reform America hoped for, but it does cost 100 billion less a year according to the corporations' own criteria...

You have been paying a lot more than you needed to... Even for 'kickbacks to keep poor people.... and people who didn't think they'd ever *be* poor ... suffering.

This still does some good stuff. If the numbers don't work out well, it's cause you were squalling for the poor oppressed profiteers off the sick.


Don't worry, though! You can come to Georgia where in an effort to get at the queers, the wongnuts under the Gold Dome have declared that companies in Georgia cn ignore whatever federal laws they like at will.... Not just civil rights this time, but rather in screwing workers unless it gets bad enough to sue!


Yay!

My Gods, but I want to go back to America. .. Really. But you might like it here, Graphics.

[jeffkrol]

Once again, until very recently, the opposition had no power to disallow anything. The Democrats didn't do anything last year because of the Democrats.

You mean because they think and don't just "jack-step" behind one wacko idea... Dems biggest problem is they don't all share the same ideology. Think really of 3 parties... nothing wrong with that.. Besides who cares about the past. It's the future that counts.. You are getting very tiring with that lame approach. Like it's some "magic bullet" to prove anything.. Nobody cares but you about it.
None of this would have happened if a state (WITH practically universal health care) didn't vote "beefcake party". and a few repubs had any stones... instead of hiding behind skirts and spreading FUD..

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H.R.4872

PLEASE WE HAVE NO IDEA WHATS IN THIS BILL SO LETS ALL STOP THINKING ITS A MAGIC BULLET THAT WILL FIX HEALTHCARE IN AMERICA[/B][/COLOR]

Do you know what your EULA say, house loan, ect ?
And it's closer than NOTHING......

[Parallax]

You mean because they think and don't just "jack-step" behind one wacko idea... Dems biggest problem is they don't all share the same ideology. Think really of 3 parties... nothing wrong with that.. Besides who cares about the past. It's the future that counts.. You are getting very tiring with that lame approach. Like it's some "magic bullet" to prove anything.. Nobody cares but you about it.
None of this would have happened if a state (WITH practically universal health care) didn't vote "beefcake party". and a few repubs had any stones... instead of hiding behind skirts and spreading FUD..

The repubs weren't needed. What part of "super majority" do you not understand? They couldn't get anything done because each one had his or her own personal interest in how things should be and ANY politician's personal interests come before those of the people they serve.

[Ratmagiclady]

The repubs weren't needed. What part of "super majority" do you not understand? They couldn't get anything done because each one had his or her own personal interest in how things should be and ANY politician's personal interests come before those of the people they serve.

Republicans immobilizing the government over it while people were turned sour against things they actually wanted... Had nothing to do with the 'will of the people.' It had to do with the GOP in Congress trying to *dissuade* the people from thinking they could have what they were *demanding.* If they delayed long enough and let Fox News scare them enough.

Fact is, the people supported everything in the *initial* plan..... They had to stonewall and cultivate some 'astroturf' that knew nothing but bigotry and fear. This is what you want, this is what you get.

Yes, the Republicans should have not been treated like reasoning individuals all this time. They surely do not behave as such.

[Parallax]

Fact is, the people supported everything in the *initial* plan..... They had to stonewall and cultivate some 'astroturf' that knew nothing but bigotry and fear. This is what you want, this is what you get.

Yes, the Republicans should have not been treated like reasoning individuals all this time. They surely do not behave as such.

So if at some point, early on, they had a plan, the support of the voters, and a super majority; why didn't they pass it then?

[deadwolfbones]

So if at some point, early on, they had a plan, the support of the voters, and a super majority; why didn't they pass it then?

Probably because they didn't want to be portrayed as "ramrodding" it through. Remember, one of Obama's big campaign things was bipartisanship. Oh irony of ironies.

[Ratmagiclady]

So if at some point, early on, they had a plan, the support of the voters, and a super majority; why didn't they pass it then?

Eh, you know, there was some kind of notion of trying to represent actual America there. Build consensus. Act like a Republic. If 'we' were incorrect about this... what do you want me to say, 'It'll never happen again?'

[jeffkrol]

So if at some point, early on, they had a plan, the support of the voters, and a super majority; why didn't they pass it then?

One 1/2 side wanted universal "1 payor" the other didn't want to "socialize" the system.. They had their own gridlock...The other side just said "nothings wrong" la.. la ..la.. la I don't hear the people"..... whats so hard to understand. At least they "compromised" for the sake of the "country"......
From: Russ Feingold, United States Senator <campaign@russfeingold.org>
Date: Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 10:26 PM
Subject: BREAKING: A Big Win for Wisconsin
To:George Aldrich
Greetings,
Today, our country took an historic step toward fixing our broken health insurance system. The House has now taken an up-or-down vote on the Senate reform bill and it passed with majority support.
Without your sustained efforts, the insurance companies would have won. But they didn’t. A lot of people in Wisconsin and across the country won because we didn’t walk away from this fight.
President Obama will now sign into law health insurance reform that gives people more control over their own health care. If health insurance companies had won, they would have been able to continue denying coverage to people when they get sick; costs would have continued to increase for small businesses; and higher premiums and out-of-pocket costs would have continued to break the budgets of working families and seniors.
Thank you for the support and commitment you have shown for health insurance reform - particularly when you kept the pressure on my colleagues and me to continue this fight.
In the months ahead, I look forward to continuing our fight against the special interests and politics as usual in Washington.
Working together we will continue to move our state and country forward.

Sincerely,

Russ Signature
.............................................................
Thursday, February 4, 2010

Washington, D.C. – U.S. Senator Russ Feingold is calling on the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, to bring up for a vote legislation to end the stealth pay raise system for members of Congress. Feingold is the author of legislation to end the automatic pay raise system by which members of Congress get annual pay hikes unless they act to stop them, and has been pushing his effort for years. In March 2009, the Senate finally passed a bill similar to Feingold’s legislation to permanently end this 20-year old back-door pay raise system. Feingold’s bill would save roughly $80 million over ten years and is included in his Control Spending Now Act, legislation made up of specific spending cuts and institutional reforms to bring down the deficit by about one half trillion dollars over the next decade. Feingold does not accept pay raises during his six-year term, following through on a pledge he made during his first campaign for U.S. Senate in 1992. All the pay he receives during his six-year term above the level available at the beginning of his term is returned to the Treasury Department. Over the course of his Senate career, Feingold has returned over $70,000 of his salary to the Treasury to help reduce the federal deficit.

WOW.. Let's see you turn down a pay raise.. granted it's a small start but well well..........

[Rupert]

Gokenin wrote "does anyone really know whats in this?"....followed by a (few) words from the Bill.
So big deal! It has a few less words than the ingredients in a package of Hot Dogs......we all still love Hot Dogs, don't we?
Regards!

[deadwolfbones]

I just love this retarded bullshit. So entertaining.

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[Votesh]

Nope. I do have auto insurance. I don't have health insurance because I can't afford it, and, being an entry level wildlife biologist, pretty much the only jobs available in my field are seasonal jobs, which don't provide health insurance. Even with changes in policy I doubt seasonal employees will be required to be provided with insurance, or assistance, by employers. Thus, for me to get insurance, even after this legislation comes into effect, I will require subsidies provided by the government. Where will the money for these subsidies come from? Tax money. I don't like the idea of taking hand-outs from the rest of the populace, but if I don't I will be punished, and my already meager earnings will be made even more meager.

Who has a fear of google? You are the one that is incapable of providing a link to a piece of evidence you rely so heavily upon. That is for another thread though.

Hmmm.......so you don't carry auto insurance, so that I can pay for your mistakes if you cause an accident? A lot of things apparently "rub you the wrong way"....still having a problem with overcoming that "fear of Google"?
Regards!

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Finally Rupert, old friend, something we agree on!

So is there anyone left in this place that doesn't admit that Lobbyists run America.....actually they buy the powers that run it. All neat and tidy, as you pointed out, blessed and declared Kosher by the Supremes! All that is left for America is the crying...and plenty of that is coming for us all. November will not be about Healthcare or Change...it will be about who will deliver the most for the dollar....all the whores on Capitol Hill will be flaunting their abilities to suck at their job of representing ordinary Americans. Replacing them with a better sucker will change nothing....we still end up being the ones screwed.
Regards!

[Rupert]

Nope. I do have auto insurance. I don't have health insurance because I can't afford it, and, being an entry level wildlife biologist, pretty much the only jobs available in my field are seasonal jobs, which don't provide health insurance. Even with changes in policy I doubt seasonal employees will be required to be provided with insurance, or assistance, by employers. Thus, for me to get insurance, even after this legislation comes into effect, I will require subsidies provided by the government. Where will the money for these subsidies come from? Tax money. I don't like the idea of taking hand-outs from the rest of the populace, but if I don't I will be punished, and my already meager earnings will be made even more meager.

Who has a fear of google? You are the one that is incapable of providing a link to a piece of evidence you rely so heavily upon. That is for another thread though.

Well cry me a river Votesh! You patriotic socialistic hating blessed soul....you high and mighty turtle on a fencepost.....got there all by yourself! Will you kindly stop using my highways and my military defense I provide you with my socialist dollars? And when your house catches on fire, go to Home Depot and buy yourself a box of extinguishers, but don't call my Fire Dept. And when burglars come in the night don't call on my Police...you just handle it Big Boy!
You self righteous "stand alone and on your own" hypocrites are totally sickening in your apparent arrogance toward common sense.
Regards!

[Votesh]

Why would that matter if I choose not to be covered? If I had an impact on someone else's health, they should be covered, and able to receive any required treatment.

Not having insurance would not put me at higher risk of impacting the health of others either, because most medicine is not preventive. In fact, being uninsured, and facing the possibility of paying many expensive medical bills out of pocket should lead to greater concern for one's own health, should it not?

So explain to me why I should leave the country.

if you choose not to be covered then you should leave the country

as your physical presence and interaction with other members of society can have an impact on their health.

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I'm not a hypocrite. I pay taxes too.
I'm not high and mighty. I didn't say others shouldn't take hand-outs, did I? I, personally, do not want to take a hand-out.
I do, however, believe that the military "defense" budget should, and could, be drastically reduced.

Well cry me a river Votesh! You patriotic socialistic hating blessed soul....you high and mighty turtle on a fencepost.....got there all by yourself! Will you kindly stop using my highways and my military defense I provide you with my socialist dollars? And when your house catches on fire, go to Home Depot and buy yourself a box of extinguishers, but don't call my Fire Dept. And when burglars come in the night don't call on my Police...you just handle it Big Boy!
You self righteous "stand alone and on your own" hypocrites are totally sickening in your apparent arrogance toward common sense.
Regards!

[Rupert]

Why would that matter if I choose not to be covered? If I had an impact on someone else's health, they should be covered, and able to receive any required treatment.

Not having insurance would not put me at higher risk of impacting the health of others either, because most medicine is not preventive. In fact, being uninsured, and facing the possibility of paying many expensive medical bills out of pocket should lead to greater concern for one's own health, should it not?

So explain to me why I should leave the country.



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I'm not a hypocrite. I pay taxes too.
I'm not high and mighty. I didn't say others shouldn't take hand-outs, did I? I, personally, do not want to take a hand-out.
I do, however, believe that the military "defense" budget should, and could, be drastically reduced.

You are a hypocrite because you already take handouts galore and claim otherwise. You drive on my roads, drink my public water, and use my public facilities........but want me to believe that if you have a $100K+ emergency heart procedure, you are going to "man up" and pay it out of your pocket, because you didn't want me to have to share the expense of your having no insurance. If that is "big brain thinking", I'll stick with Squirrels....not a one of them is that ignorant. You are using typical right wing tactics......when you can't get real, you just get stupid.
Regards!

[deadwolfbones]

(LOL: YouTube - I-mSayingNoToGov.HealthCare)

(LOL x2: GOP.com - Fire Nancy Pelosi ... Stay classy, GOP.)