Recharging debate, Obama expands offshore drilling

Artesian · 04-01-2010, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by Rupert

Well, all I know is that I am going to go to PBS to display my fine artwork and drawing abilities! Some of you guys just have no appreciation for Fine Art! I may have to leave and go sip Tea with Wheatboy. I can grow a beard and learn a few words in Arabic.......think it would pass?
Regards!

Well, if you get your art work on PBS I will watch the program. I may not like it but I will watch. I have an open mind even if you think it is kind of puny.
A

---------- Post added 04-01-2010 at 10:43 PM ----------

Originally posted by rhodopsin

Please at least consider we might be correct about all this...at least we listen to you, we just know better. A little more open-mindedness never hurt anyone.

I have concidered you may be correct and I appreciate you listening to me. I just have a problem with the " we just know better" part. Kind of condescending .
A

Last edited by Artesian; 04-01-2010 at 08:59 PM.

Das Boot · 04-01-2010, 08:49 PM

The truth of the matter is that the US never had a ban on drilling 50 miles off the coast of VA. It was all a PR stunt. While he said that he was going to "allow" drilling off the coast of VA, he in turn shut down attempts to get permission for new drilling in Alaska. In effect banning all new drilling in the state. It's one step forward and two steps back.

Artesian · 04-01-2010, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by Das Boot

The truth of the matter is that the US never had a ban on drilling 50 miles off the coast of VA. It was all a PR stunt. While he said that he was going to "allow" drilling off the coast of VA, he in turn shut down attempts to get permission for new drilling in Alaska. In effect banning all new drilling in the state. It's one step forward and two steps back.

Sounds like tricky Dick only it is decietful Barack.
A

Das Boot · 04-01-2010, 09:13 PM

It's the same shit. The difference is in the rhetoric.

Rupert · 04-01-2010, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by Ratmagiclady

This, however, is not in any way an insurmountable problem. Nor, in fact, by any means a worse threat than nose-fungus, pollutants, and habitat loss. Or.... Cars.

Since that meme was put out there years ago, in fact, some solutions have been found. I don't know about implementation happening.

Seriously, a lot of that talk is like, "We may not be able to save all the horses, may as well shoot em."

Count me in here Ratlady...I'm not for shooting horses. Let's save all we can...that is my thought.....I love horses....and Squirrels! Other animals too, all of them, but I do hate Chiggers and Mosquitoes. Is that bad?
Best Regards!

Das Boot · 04-01-2010, 10:29 PM

Hey - what about Ebola or Ringworm? Let us not discriminate. They're all God's creatures.

Hey RML - Have you ever heard of the horse latitudes and how they got their name?

Rupert · 04-02-2010, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by Das Boot

Hey - what about Ebola or Ringworm? Let us not discriminate. They're all God's creatures.

Hey RML - Have you ever heard of the horse latitudes and how they got their name?

Yes, there are many bad critters on earth, large and small. God allows both Good and Evil, and states that it rains on the Just and Unjust alike. We are supposed to make choices.....I'm not sure this applies here, but if given a choice, I choose horses over Ebola.....you too?

BTW-My fine drawing was turned down by PBS.......they said it lacked originality.....claiming it depicted a very common occurrence in Washington. I was heartbroken, of course, but I did break out my Wok and cook some stir-fry Chinese........it made me feel a little better!
Best Regards!

reeftool · 04-02-2010, 09:23 AM

Obama is not stupid. He knows very well that the US needs to develop our own sources of oil. Wind, hydro, nuke and solar all have potential and need to be developed further and put into use but the reality is that we still need oil, and we will need it for a long time.

Ratmagiclady · 04-02-2010, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by Rupert

Count me in here Ratlady...I'm not for shooting horses. Let's save all we can...that is my thought.....I love horses....and Squirrels! Other animals too, all of them, but I do hate Chiggers and Mosquitoes. Is that bad?
Best Regards!

Chiggers and mosquitoes aren't 'evil,' Rupert, (though the former might easily give an impression otherwise, yikes.)

I make it a practice not to kill harmless insects, but if it's their role to try and eat me, it's mine to try and swat them. No malice necessary.

That's not cause I over-personify them, ....it's about the effect on *me* that such callousness would have.

Rupert · 04-02-2010, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by Ratmagiclady

Chiggers and mosquitoes aren't 'evil,' Rupert, (though the former might easily give an impression otherwise, yikes.)

I make it a practice not to kill harmless insects, but if it's their role to try and eat me, it's mine to try and swat them. No malice necessary.

That's not cause I over-personify them, ....it's about the effect on *me* that such callousness would have.

Well, when these Texas mosquitoes start building those landing strips in my yard, they look pretty damn "evil" to me. And I would be willing to bet that anyone suffering from a few dozen burrowing chiggers right now would not use a lightweight word like "evil" in their description.........wanna bet! LOL!
Regards!

Ratmagiclady · 04-02-2010, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by Rupert

Well, when these Texas mosquitoes start building those landing strips in my yard, they look pretty damn "evil" to me. And I would be willing to bet that anyone suffering from a few dozen burrowing chiggers right now would not use a lightweight word like "evil" in their description.........wanna bet! LOL!
Regards!

Would it help?

I think I'll stick with having enough respect for their ways to not get a few dozen in me.

As for mosquitoes, ascribing malice and getting all hot under the collar only makes you easier for them to find. Physiologically.

Told you I just don't see the world that way.

Rupert · 04-02-2010, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by Ratmagiclady

Would it help?

I think I'll stick with having enough respect for their ways to not get a few dozen in me.

As for mosquitoes, ascribing malice and getting all hot under the collar only makes you easier for them to find. Physiologically.

Told you I just don't see the world that way.

Well, if you saw the plane loads of troops they are bringing to those landing strips in giant cargo planes, you might see it differently. It is not a fair fight either, there are millions of them, and near impossible to kill.
Best Regards

**boriscleto** · 04-03-2010, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by Rupert

Well, if you saw the plane loads of troops they are bringing to those landing strips in giant cargo planes, you might see it differently. It is not a fair fight either, there are millions of them, and near impossible to kill.
Best Regards

Your Texas mosquitoes don't have anything on upstate NY mosquitoes. I live less than 1/2 mile from a big swamp. It's full of mosquitoes that carry West Nile virus and Eastern Equine Encephalitis. The town, run by Republicans, let people build McMansions right next to it, one guy even wanted to have horses. These people, geniuses that they are, complain nonstop about the mosquitoes every year and demand spraying. The state inevitably gives in when a mosquito is found with EEE. These Mosquitoes have been spayed so many times that they are all now Super Mosquitoes resistant to just about every type of pesticide. The only respite we had was the 4 months a year the swamp was frozen solid. Now, thanks to global warming, we are down to 3 months a year.

Ratmagiclady · 04-03-2010, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by Rupert

Well, if you saw the plane loads of troops they are bringing to those landing strips in giant cargo planes, you might see it differently. It is not a fair fight either, there are millions of them, and near impossible to kill.
Best Regards

That makes proclaiming some insects 'evil' somehow useful?

Maybe it's not a 'fight.'

Maybe, getting all pissed off lights up your underarms like landing lights, flushes your capillaries with yumy yummy food, , and means your skin exudes more CO2, all things they use to find *you* out of all the background and bite.

Loose clothing, maybe a bit of plain old anti-perspirant, and not getting agitated really does a lot more than all the stinky sprays and swatting in the world.

rhodopsin · 04-03-2010, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by Ratmagiclady

Maybe, getting all pissed off lights up your underarms like landing lights, flushes your capillaries with yumy yummy food, , and means your skin exudes more CO2, all things they use to find *you* out of all the background and bite.

Loose clothing, maybe a bit of plain old anti-perspirant, and not getting agitated really does a lot more than all the stinky sprays and swatting in the world.

+999

CO2 in breath, stress hormones in sweat, are attractive nee irresistable to mosquitos. Every bite also leaves a landing beacon for others to follow.

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04-01-2010, 08:40 PM	#31
Artesian Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 365 Original Poster	Originally posted by Rupert Well, all I know is that I am going to go to PBS to display my fine artwork and drawing abilities! Some of you guys just have no appreciation for Fine Art! I may have to leave and go sip Tea with Wheatboy. I can grow a beard and learn a few words in Arabic.......think it would pass? Regards! Well, if you get your art work on PBS I will watch the program. I may not like it but I will watch. I have an open mind even if you think it is kind of puny. A ---------- Post added 04-01-2010 at 10:43 PM ---------- Originally posted by rhodopsin Please at least consider we might be correct about all this...at least we listen to you, we just know better. A little more open-mindedness never hurt anyone. I have concidered you may be correct and I appreciate you listening to me. I just have a problem with the " we just know better" part. Kind of condescending . A Last edited by Artesian; 04-01-2010 at 08:59 PM.

04-01-2010, 08:49 PM	#32
Das Boot Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sparkle City, South Cackalacky Photos: Gallery Posts: 689	The truth of the matter is that the US never had a ban on drilling 50 miles off the coast of VA. It was all a PR stunt. While he said that he was going to "allow" drilling off the coast of VA, he in turn shut down attempts to get permission for new drilling in Alaska. In effect banning all new drilling in the state. It's one step forward and two steps back.

04-01-2010, 09:06 PM	#33
Artesian Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 365 Original Poster	Originally posted by Das Boot The truth of the matter is that the US never had a ban on drilling 50 miles off the coast of VA. It was all a PR stunt. While he said that he was going to "allow" drilling off the coast of VA, he in turn shut down attempts to get permission for new drilling in Alaska. In effect banning all new drilling in the state. It's one step forward and two steps back. Sounds like tricky Dick only it is decietful Barack. A

04-01-2010, 09:13 PM	#34
Das Boot Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sparkle City, South Cackalacky Photos: Gallery Posts: 689	It's the same shit. The difference is in the rhetoric.

04-01-2010, 10:17 PM	#35
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Originally posted by Ratmagiclady This, however, is not in any way an insurmountable problem. Nor, in fact, by any means a worse threat than nose-fungus, pollutants, and habitat loss. Or.... Cars. Since that meme was put out there years ago, in fact, some solutions have been found. I don't know about implementation happening. Seriously, a lot of that talk is like, "We may not be able to save all the horses, may as well shoot em." Count me in here Ratlady...I'm not for shooting horses. Let's save all we can...that is my thought.....I love horses....and Squirrels! Other animals too, all of them, but I do hate Chiggers and Mosquitoes. Is that bad? Best Regards!

04-01-2010, 10:29 PM	#36
Das Boot Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sparkle City, South Cackalacky Photos: Gallery Posts: 689	Hey - what about Ebola or Ringworm? Let us not discriminate. They're all God's creatures. Hey RML - Have you ever heard of the horse latitudes and how they got their name?

04-02-2010, 07:22 AM	#37
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Originally posted by Das Boot Hey - what about Ebola or Ringworm? Let us not discriminate. They're all God's creatures. Hey RML - Have you ever heard of the horse latitudes and how they got their name? Yes, there are many bad critters on earth, large and small. God allows both Good and Evil, and states that it rains on the Just and Unjust alike. We are supposed to make choices.....I'm not sure this applies here, but if given a choice, I choose horses over Ebola.....you too? BTW-My fine drawing was turned down by PBS.......they said it lacked originality.....claiming it depicted a very common occurrence in Washington. I was heartbroken, of course, but I did break out my Wok and cook some stir-fry Chinese........it made me feel a little better! Best Regards!

04-02-2010, 09:23 AM	#38
reeftool Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Upstate New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,555	Obama is not stupid. He knows very well that the US needs to develop our own sources of oil. Wind, hydro, nuke and solar all have potential and need to be developed further and put into use but the reality is that we still need oil, and we will need it for a long time.

04-02-2010, 09:40 AM	#39
Ratmagiclady Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: GA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,563	Originally posted by Rupert Count me in here Ratlady...I'm not for shooting horses. Let's save all we can...that is my thought.....I love horses....and Squirrels! Other animals too, all of them, but I do hate Chiggers and Mosquitoes. Is that bad? Best Regards! Chiggers and mosquitoes aren't 'evil,' Rupert, (though the former might easily give an impression otherwise, yikes.) I make it a practice not to kill harmless insects, but if it's their role to try and eat me, it's mine to try and swat them. No malice necessary. That's not cause I over-personify them, ....it's about the effect on me that such callousness would have.

04-02-2010, 09:53 AM	#40
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Originally posted by Ratmagiclady Chiggers and mosquitoes aren't 'evil,' Rupert, (though the former might easily give an impression otherwise, yikes.) I make it a practice not to kill harmless insects, but if it's their role to try and eat me, it's mine to try and swat them. No malice necessary. That's not cause I over-personify them, ....it's about the effect on me that such callousness would have. Well, when these Texas mosquitoes start building those landing strips in my yard, they look pretty damn "evil" to me. And I would be willing to bet that anyone suffering from a few dozen burrowing chiggers right now would not use a lightweight word like "evil" in their description.........wanna bet! LOL! Regards!

04-02-2010, 10:40 AM	#41
Ratmagiclady Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: GA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,563	Originally posted by Rupert Well, when these Texas mosquitoes start building those landing strips in my yard, they look pretty damn "evil" to me. And I would be willing to bet that anyone suffering from a few dozen burrowing chiggers right now would not use a lightweight word like "evil" in their description.........wanna bet! LOL! Regards! Would it help? I think I'll stick with having enough respect for their ways to not get a few dozen in me. As for mosquitoes, ascribing malice and getting all hot under the collar only makes you easier for them to find. Physiologically. Told you I just don't see the world that way.

04-02-2010, 02:29 PM	#42
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Originally posted by Ratmagiclady Would it help? I think I'll stick with having enough respect for their ways to not get a few dozen in me. As for mosquitoes, ascribing malice and getting all hot under the collar only makes you easier for them to find. Physiologically. Told you I just don't see the world that way. Well, if you saw the plane loads of troops they are bringing to those landing strips in giant cargo planes, you might see it differently. It is not a fair fight either, there are millions of them, and near impossible to kill. Best Regards

04-03-2010, 09:52 AM	#43
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,476	Originally posted by Rupert Well, if you saw the plane loads of troops they are bringing to those landing strips in giant cargo planes, you might see it differently. It is not a fair fight either, there are millions of them, and near impossible to kill. Best Regards Your Texas mosquitoes don't have anything on upstate NY mosquitoes. I live less than 1/2 mile from a big swamp. It's full of mosquitoes that carry West Nile virus and Eastern Equine Encephalitis. The town, run by Republicans, let people build McMansions right next to it, one guy even wanted to have horses. These people, geniuses that they are, complain nonstop about the mosquitoes every year and demand spraying. The state inevitably gives in when a mosquito is found with EEE. These Mosquitoes have been spayed so many times that they are all now Super Mosquitoes resistant to just about every type of pesticide. The only respite we had was the 4 months a year the swamp was frozen solid. Now, thanks to global warming, we are down to 3 months a year.

04-03-2010, 10:26 AM	#44
Ratmagiclady Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: GA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,563	Originally posted by Rupert Well, if you saw the plane loads of troops they are bringing to those landing strips in giant cargo planes, you might see it differently. It is not a fair fight either, there are millions of them, and near impossible to kill. Best Regards That makes proclaiming some insects 'evil' somehow useful? Maybe it's not a 'fight.' Maybe, getting all pissed off lights up your underarms like landing lights, flushes your capillaries with yumy yummy food, , and means your skin exudes more CO2, all things they use to find you out of all the background and bite. Loose clothing, maybe a bit of plain old anti-perspirant, and not getting agitated really does a lot more than all the stinky sprays and swatting in the world.

04-03-2010, 10:49 AM	#45
rhodopsin Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Deep Forest Posts: 643	Originally posted by Ratmagiclady Maybe, getting all pissed off lights up your underarms like landing lights, flushes your capillaries with yumy yummy food, , and means your skin exudes more CO2, all things they use to find you out of all the background and bite. Loose clothing, maybe a bit of plain old anti-perspirant, and not getting agitated really does a lot more than all the stinky sprays and swatting in the world. +999 CO2 in breath, stress hormones in sweat, are attractive nee irresistable to mosquitos. Every bite also leaves a landing beacon for others to follow.