[Artesian]

This one really shocked me. Can this be some kind of global warming trick or is he for real here. If he is I will be the first to give him some credit. If he can pull this off he just earned a top award from me. Bush tried for 8 years and got nada. This should have been done years ago. Obama just spit in the faces of the Sierra Club and a bunch of environmentalists. Can it be true? Kuddos for Obama if it is not a trick. What do you think?
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[Ratmagiclady]

Really depends what we get for it from the oil cronies and corporations. Drilling as if it were a solution or excuse further delay in doing anything sustainable is a different matter from recognizing the fact that the supply ain't getting any bigger while the world's demand keeps going up. Especially without a climate treaty.

We'd *better* see some motion on conservation and alternative energy and such, that's all I can say.

I mean, it won't be *enough,* what's offshore, to justify doing nothing, but by the time any of that starts producing, (...Big Oil hasn't even exploited what they've had access to all along: if it were all producing now, it wouldn't be much of a percentage of our demand now...) ...we'd better not be dependent on the stuff for so much, anyway. Nonetheless, there's more use for oil than burning those long carbon chains out tailpipes: we don't know what we might need the plastics for. Recycling works for making a lot of the ordinary products and junk and trash we've been wasting the stuff on, but who knows what we might need the fresh stuff for, and if you think the world's a seller's market *now...* See?

[Artesian]

Really depends what we get for it from the oil cronies and corporations. Drilling as if it were a solution or excuse further delay in doing anything sustainable is a different matter from recognizing the fact that the supply ain't getting any bigger while the world's demand keeps going up. Especially without a climate treaty.

We'd *better* see some motion on conservation and alternative energy and such, that's all I can say.

I mean, it won't be *enough,* what's offshore, to justify doing nothing, but by the time any of that starts producing, (...Big Oil hasn't even exploited what they've had access to all along: if it were all producing now, it wouldn't be much of a percentage of our demand now...) ...we'd better not be dependent on the stuff for so much, anyway. Nonetheless, there's more use for oil than burning those long carbon chains out tailpipes: we don't know what we might need the plastics for. Recycling works for making a lot of the junk and trash we've been wasting the stuff on, but who knows what we might need it for, and if you think the world's a seller's market *now...* See?

Well what Obama is saying is that we need the energy until we can find better sources. There are people that think that the revenues should go the the Government. That is a lousy idea considering it will be the private companys sinking their capitol into the drilling. It does not suprise me though that the far left extremists do not want the capitolist to make any profit for their work because the government should own it all. I beg the differ as I own oil stock and would like to see a return on my investment.
Just call me a greedy oil company.
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I see you edited your post. I do agree with you that it should not be wasted as there will be many wonderful things that will be produced with oil. We definately need to conserve it but try to not be dependent on the other countries for our oil.

Really depends what we get for it from the oil cronies and corporations. Drilling as if it were a solution or excuse further delay in doing anything sustainable is a different matter from recognizing the fact that the supply ain't getting any bigger while the world's demand keeps going up. Especially without a climate treaty.

We'd *better* see some motion on conservation and alternative energy and such, that's all I can say.

I mean, it won't be *enough,* what's offshore, to justify doing nothing, but by the time any of that starts producing, (...Big Oil hasn't even exploited what they've had access to all along: if it were all producing now, it wouldn't be much of a percentage of our demand now...) ...we'd better not be dependent on the stuff for so much, anyway. Nonetheless, there's more use for oil than burning those long carbon chains out tailpipes: we don't know what we might need the plastics for. Recycling works for making a lot of the ordinary products and junk and trash we've been wasting the stuff on, but who knows what we might need the fresh stuff for, and if you think the world's a seller's market *now...* See?

Again proving your ignorance in matters, eh? For example, the leases they hold right now off the Florida coast all reports say there is no oil. Why would a company drill where there is no oil?

But the reports on many other areas surmise there may be more oil than in Saudi Arabia.

Question? Would you drill for water where you know the odds of hitting said water were little to none? Yeah. You would. Bless your heart. I'm just saying.

[Artesian]

Again proving your ignorance in matters, eh? For example, the leases they hold right now off the Florida coast all reports say there is no oil. Why would a company drill where there is no oil?

But the reports on many other areas surmise there may be more oil than in Saudi Arabia.

Question? Would you drill for water where you know the odds of hitting said water were little to none? Yeah. You would. Bless your heart. I'm just saying.

What about the leases off the California coasts? Oh, I forgot, there are none because they are special.
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[GeneV]

What about the leases off the California coasts? Oh, I forgot, there are none because they are special.
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If you look at at the map of the areas where it will be allowed, they are generally adjacent to states which would be in favor of the drilling. It is actually quite sensible to allow the drilling where it will be welcome and not where it will not be welcome.

[jeffkrol]

What about the leases off the California coasts? Oh, I forgot, there are none because they are special.
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Statistically it it meaningless...... won't do diddly squat for our energy needs. Token law.
Even at the high end of government estimates, the new production, if and when it occurs, will displace only a small fraction of the oil and gas the country now imports and consumes.

Stocks of some major oil companies fell on Wednesday, but share prices for the energy sector rose overall, possibly a result of the president’s action.

The American Petroleum Institute, using the high end of government estimates, hopes that the opening of the areas on the Atlantic and eastern gulf alone would make available more than four billion barrels of oil and more than 30 trillion cubic feet of natural gas — enough to fuel more than 2.4 million cars and heat eight million households for 60 years.
Of course there is the rant of the "evil one (is the anti-christ female???) ".......
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/35284.html

[Ratmagiclady]

Well what Obama is saying is that we need the energy until we can find better sources.

It's not really a matter of 'until,' ...he certainly spoke of it being part of the *transition* to a greener economy and nation: (This will in all likelihood involve plenty of petroleum products for various purposes, *regardless,* as well as just 'how to get there:'

The big thing here is that the idea isn't to have a corporate free-for-all, 'drill and only to drill' to delay the inevitable and make Big Oil profits (they'll surely get theirs whatever happens,) ...these are areas where drilling's more welcome, and also, less risky than in some of the places Bush wanted to throw the doors open to.

There was some mention of safer new technologies for it, too.

It's not like 'those liberals want to take away the oil and make us do without thing,' as portrayed, man. We can have *some,* that doesn't mean corporations have the right to take it *all* wherever and whenever they want.

There are people that think that the revenues should go the the Government. That is a lousy idea considering it will be the private companys sinking their capitol into the drilling.

Drilling for what belongs to the people of the country and the world, present and future.

I don't know who's saying the poor, hapless corporations should be forced to drill and have the government get it all: (let me guess, Fox News?) ...but now that you mention it, it'd serve them right, not that it's what's actually happened.

As for 'their' capital: aren't they the guys who begged for and got billions in further public money under the Bush administration and Republican congress while raising the price of fuel to more than we could afford and all of them reaping record profits already?

It does not suprise me though that the far left extremists do not want the capitolist to make any profit for their work because the government should own it all.

It doesn't surprise you because it seems to come from your own head in the first place.

I beg the differ as I own oil stock and would like to see a return on my investment.
Just call me a greedy oil company.
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Maybe just a tad ingracious about being given something and then vilifying someone about it ?

Remember, a corporation is an economic *mechanism,* not a human being: just because you're seeing some of the money now doesn't mean they have your best interests at heart.

I see you edited your post. I do agree with you that it should not be wasted as there will be many wonderful things that will be produced with oil. We definately need to conserve it but try to not be dependent on the other countries for our oil.

I often add stuff after a post, it's so.

There's almost always more to the story, after all.

If we are dependent on fossil fuels, though, we cannot be 'energy independent' without conservation and alternatives as well.

It's important to remember this.

[GeneV]

Statistically it it meaningless...... won't do diddly squat for our energy needs. Token law.
[B]Even at the high end of government estimates, the new production, if and when it occurs, will displace only a small fraction of the oil and gas the country now imports and consumes.

That has been true of most of the claims about U.S. reserves. This won't do much environmental damage, and it may either call the bluff on these claims, or produce some significant energy--either of which is not a bad result from his point of view.

[rhodopsin]

What about the leases off the California coasts? Oh, I forgot, there are none because they are special.
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Californians have experienced several major oil spills; we know better than you what is at stake.

[Nesster]

Besides which, it's not cost effective to drill off California, as any moment the state may fall over the rigs...

[Artesian]

Californians have experienced several major oil spills; we know better than you what is at stake.

Yes,
What is better for you is for you to use oil and gas from Texas because your too high and mighty to help the situation by being a holier than thou, sanctimonious, arrogant, superior, smug group of people. If I had my way I would stop shipping our manufactured oil products to your kind of selfish, I'm better than you, and know more than you, type groupies. As far as I care your economy is in the pits, maybe tar pits. Pretty soon you will owe so much money your government will stop functioning completely. You probably could use the oil revenue. You are too smart to do that though.
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Doesn't Kalifornia in some parts have oil/tar like oozing out between cracks in rocks? Thought I had seen a program on something like that.

http://www.mms.gov/omm/pacific/enviro/seeps1.htm

[GeneV]

Doesn't Kalifornia in some parts have oil/tar like oozing out between cracks in rocks? Thought I had seen a program on something like that.

Natural Oil and Gas Seepage in the Coastal Areas of California -- MMS Pacific Region

California is the third largest oil producer among the 50 states. The federal offshore lands are the largest component of domestic production, larger than any one state.

[Artesian]

Doesn't Kalifornia in some parts have oil/tar like oozing out between cracks in rocks? Thought I had seen a program on something like that.

Natural Oil and Gas Seepage in the Coastal Areas of California -- MMS Pacific Region

Yes, I think I saw that on PBS, the liberal socialist broadcasting system. California used to have one of the best oil fields around and is still pumping in places. The radical liberal wacko environmentalists put a stop to that though. They do not want it in their back yard. Lets just get it from some dumb asses in Texas and call them names.
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