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04-14-2010, 02:12 PM   #1
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Majority of Tea Party Supporters Say Their Taxes are Fair

Poll: Most Tea Party Supporters Say Their Taxes Are Fair - Political Hotsheet - CBS News



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As Tea Partiers gather for today's rally in Boston, home of the original Tea Party protest in 1773, 42 percent of Tea Party supporters think the amount of income taxes they'll pay this year is unfair, according to a new CBS News/ New York Times poll.

Yet while some say the Tea Party stands for "Taxed Enough Already," most Tea Party supporters - 52 percent - say their taxes are fair, the poll shows. Just under one in five Americans say they support the Tea Party movement.

However, those most active in the Tea Party are less satisfied with the amount of income taxes they will pay. Fifty-five percent of Tea Party activists - those who have attended a rally or donated money - (about 4 percent of Americans overall) say their income taxes are unfair.

Americans overall are more likely than Tea Partiers to describe the income taxes they'll pay this year as fair - 62 percent do, according to the poll, conducted April 5 - 12.

Majorities across all income levels say their income taxes are fair, as do most Republicans and Democrats.


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I may be off but I think if you as most Tea Party people what they object to about the government it would be the size of it. I don't think thats its a tax issue I think the issue is about the ever growing size of the government departments that are needed to administer all the programs that are being created. That at least to me seems to be the overall comment that comes out the party not that we are overburdened with taxes but that the machine in Washington is simply getting too big.
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That may be the case, but it makes their name/rationale (no taxation w/o representation, yo!) kind of retarded. (As if it wasn't already.)
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well i think that its more of a protest using the no represantation part of the actual Boston Tea Party if you ask me. There are people out there that feel that many of the people in Washington have lost touch with the people that elected them into office in the first place. To them they are not being represented by their elected officials hence the Tea Party name ?

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The tea party movement sprung up about, what, 2-3 months after the 2008 elections?

So either those elected lost touch with their base in 2-3 months, or the Tea Partiers are just upset that their chosen guys didn't get elected, which seems more likely.

If it's about government in general not having much connection with the people, that's a possibly valid concern (though not one I particularly ascribe to). However, the Tea Party suspiciously sprung up immediately after the election of Obama/the Democratic supermajority, and has been largely focused on slinging shit at him/them, so it's hard to think the two are related.
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I may be off but I think if you as most Tea Party people what they object to about the government it would be the size of it. I don't think thats its a tax issue I think the issue is about the ever growing size of the government departments that are needed to administer all the programs that are being created. That at least to me seems to be the overall comment that comes out the party not that we are overburdened with taxes but that the machine in Washington is simply getting too big.
It's interesting to me that they believe this. Because if this were true, it would seem their protests would have broken out during George W Bush's presidency as he presided over creation of the largest bureaucracy in American history: the Department of Homeland Security and the largest increase in government employment in history.

Since they didn't break out in protest against those two huge changes, since they are pretty much satisfied with their taxes (maybe thanks to Obama's Making Work Pay tax cuts (hey, I got an extra $236 this year from that program alone!), they did not protest Bush's huge increases in government size and authority (warrantless wiretapping), and they pretty much all collect social security and use Medicare (while shouting "Keep the Government's hands off My Health Care"), what else is left?

That the President is a Black man?
Is that what they mean by "Give me back my country?" Because, honestly, none of their claims hold up to examination....

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Just to back up my assertions:

With No Jobs, Plenty of Time for Tea Party - NYTimes.com

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To them they are not being represented by their elected officials
Welcome to life in America. When one side wins an election, the other side loses. We have elections to determine where most of the people want the country to go.

So, simply because old man maverick and hottie governor lost, these people put on their colonial outfits with tea bags tied to the arms, gathered up their "Don't Tread On Me" flags with snakes and began to parade about?

Or did they get all whipped up into this BS by Dick Armey's lobby groups which paid for transportation to a large number of the early protests last summer, which backed the national convention of tea baggers, and by the radio talk show hosts whose only purpose is to keep listeners inflamed to keep their ratings high?

When I see people use "fascist," "communist," and "socialist" in the same breath, not even knowing they are not the same thing, it really makes me question their opinion on anything. If they'd make a little sense on something, maybe I'd give them a listen. But they seem to make no sense at all.

In the meantime, polls show Obama's approval ratings high and the majority of Americans approve of better regulation of the health insurance industry.
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QuoteOriginally posted by yucatanPentax Quote

In the meantime, polls show Obama's approval ratings high and the majority of Americans approve of better regulation of the health insurance industry.
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Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Obama Job Approval

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Health Care Reform - Rasmussen Reports

Pollster.com: Health Care Plan: Favor / Oppose


maybe its just me but I wouldn't really say the polls show him or the bill with clear approval ratings
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Yucatan......you pretty much nailed it. There are a certain group/class of people that are on a never ending quest to be miserable and then blame someone else for it. The Tea Baggers are good representatives of this group, and in much of the deep South, you can see the same group blame their status in life or problems on Blacks. It is sad to see illiterate whites blaming their failures on another race, but it is a fact of life in many parts of the South...and no doubt other scattered pockets across America. Race is certainly not the only factor, many of these people are just unhappy they were ever born, and I share there sentiments in that regard,.....we would be better of without them.
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BTW- My taxes were lower than ever, and although no one likes taxes, they were very reasonable for what I receive in return. The tax whiners are like the anti abortion and anti gay radicals, they are not really as interested in any of those as much as they are in stirring up hate and resentment. Just a talking point for them, nothing else.....

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Poll Finds Tea Party Backers Wealthier and More Educated - NYTimes.com
Tea party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than the general public, tend to be Republican, white, male, and married, and their strong opposition to the Obama administration is more rooted in political ideology than anxiety about their personal economic situation............They are also more likely than Republicans as a whole to describe themselves as “very conservative” and President Obama as “very liberal.”...................Most send their children to public schools, do not think Sarah Palin is qualified to be president, and, despite their push for smaller government, think that Social Security and Medicare are worth the cost. They are actually more likely than the general public to have returned their census forms, despite some conservative leaders urging a boycott...............he overwhelming majority of Tea Party supporters say Mr. Obama does not share the values most Americans live by, and that he does not understand the problems of people like themselves. More than half say the policies of the administration favor the poor, and 25 percent, compared with 11 percent of the general public, think that the administration favors blacks over whites. They are more likely than the general public, and Republicans, to say that too much has been made of the problems facing black people............More than 8 in 10 hold an unfavorable view of him personally, and 92 percent believe he is moving the country toward socialism...........Tea Party supporters are also more likely than most Americans to believe, mistakenly, that the president has increased taxes for most Americans................The Tea Party supporters are more likely than the general public to say their personal financial situation is good or very good...............But while most Americans blame the Bush administration or Wall Street for the current state of the American economy, the greatest number of Tea Party supporters blamed Congress.
Still, while they overwhelmingly disapprove of Congress, 4 in 10 Tea Party supporters, like most Americans, approve of the job their own representative is doing.
They do not want a third party, and say they usually or almost always vote Republican. The percentage holding a favorable opinion of former president George W. Bush — at 57 percent — almost exactly matches the percentage in the general public that holds an unfavorable view............... “Over the last 3 or 4 years I’ve realized how immense that drift has been away from what made this country great,” she said. “I’m angry because I feel that those who are elected hijack the country once they are elected to positions of power...........Others defended being on Social Security while fighting big government by saying they had paid into the system, so deserved the benefits.
Others could not explain the contradiction.
“I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security,” said Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. “I didn’t look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think I’ve changed my mind.”
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Research 2000 Poll has Obama's Favorability Rating at 54%. That's more than half and much more than you'd expect it to be if the Health Insurance Reform bill were highly unpopular.

Rasmussen skews Republican and has for a long time. If you are a fan of poll tracking - comparing all the various outfits - you'll consistently see Rasmussen numbers low for Democrats and high for Republicans.

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(as of March 23) Americans by 9 percentage points have a favorable view of the health care overhaul that President Obama signed into law Tuesday, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, a notable turnaround from surveys before the vote that showed a plurality against it.

By 49%-40% those surveyed say it was "a good thing" rather than a bad one that Congress passed the bill. Half describe their reaction in positive terms, as "enthusiastic" or "pleased," while about four in 10 describe it in negative ways, as "disappointed" or "angry."
(please note that many of those "disappointed" wanted the health care bill to do MORE, not less)
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Now, nearly half of those polled say the bill should only be a down payment, and that more needs to be done.

The largest single group, 48%, calls the bill "a good first step" that should be followed by more action on health care. An additional 4% also have a favorable view, saying the bill makes the most important changes needed in the nation's health care system.
Republicans can keep voting "no" on everything, or they can work together to try to have some input into the process. It's not like the president has not tried to get them involved many times. But, as long as they stay The Party of NO, they are banishing themselves from electoral possibilities. Why vote for non-participants?
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Well.......They do fillibuster rather well.
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For a Nation with so much potential, and so many great achievements, it is a crying shame we can't all work together at least 50% more than we are currently. What could we do if we put politics aside? I know...it won't happen, but just think of the wonders we could achieve. I guess I was just having a brain spasm out loud.......forgive me!
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Some defended being on Social Security while fighting big government by saying that since they had paid into the system, they deserved the benefits.

Others could not explain the contradiction.

ďThatís a conundrum, isnít it?Ē asked Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. ďI donít know what to say. Maybe I donít want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security.Ē She added, ďI didnít look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think Iíve changed my mind.Ē
Amazing.
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Educated doesn't mean smart.
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ďI didnít look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think Iíve changed my mind.Ē
Is that her way of saying "D'Oh"?
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