[Rupert]

Bless your bacon wrapped heart George! I hope you get all the salt you want in life.....your very short life, I'm afraid. Your argument makes no sense at all, this was all covered in your last "salt rant", which likewise.......made no sense at all. So why do we need a Pharmacist and drug laws....can't we just walk in and mix up what we want...even if it kills us? Hey, you guys on the right have me convinced it would be good for America if we could, the Tea Baggers and many here would simply disappear in no time at all. You might be the first to go George........
Regards!

[Ratmagiclady]

Clearly, this is a case where the 'free market' isn't really doing it. People can always add more salt if there isn't 'enough' in their pre-packaged food or whatnot, you can't take it *out* when you're out there on the road.

And the cheaper the food, the more likely it'll be full of the cheaper ingredients, salt, high-fructose corn syrup, all kinds of Bad For You and Not Really Food products for the same money you pay. It's not only really unhealthy, it's kind of a ripoff, and another way that I think the companies that make all this convenience food may be strangling themselves. I know I used to like a bag of chips or something, once in a while, (Sometimes I tend toward the anorectic and all, some 'junk' is actually often kind of useful when I find I'd better eat something soon, more often than not, I just end up passing it all up, anyway, (Or not feeling too good after eating it. A lot of this stuff just seems so salty it's not even palatable anymore.)


I get a McDonalds' burger once in a great while, even: in the past they'd gotten so salty I wouldn't go back. I mean, is that even good for business?

I dunno.

[Rupert]

Clearly, this is a case where the 'free market' isn't really doing it. People can always add more salt if there isn't 'enough' in their pre-packaged food or whatnot, you can't take it *out* when you're out there on the road.

And the cheaper the food, the more likely it'll be full of the cheaper ingredients, salt, high-fructose corn syrup, all kinds of Bad For You and Not Really Food products for the same money you pay. It's not only really unhealthy, it's kind of a ripoff, and another way that I think the companies that make all this convenience food may be strangling themselves. I know I used to like a bag of chips or something, once in a while, (Sometimes I tend toward the anorectic and all, some 'junk' is actually often kind of useful when I find I'd better eat something soon, more often than not, I just end up passing it all up, anyway, (Or not feeling too good after eating it. A lot of this stuff just seems so salty it's not even palatable anymore.)


I get a McDonalds' burger once in a great while, even: in the past they'd gotten so salty I wouldn't go back. I mean, is that even good for business?

I dunno.

I had to cut back on salted peanuts for my Squirrels....they love them, but they are very unhealthy. It is hard to find roasted peanuts that are not salted, but they are available. I guess they see me as a socialist feeder?
Regards!

Festus got fat this winter.....

[SteveM]

So the food industry can load up packaged food with salt and hide it due to no government regulation? I'm sure that's in the best interest of US citizens and the health insurance companies, as long as it's wrapped in the flag of freedom.

[GeneV]

I saw a news report on CBS this morning that said 4,000 children fall from home windows every year. I wonder how long it will be before they try and make windows that open illegal.

Been to a hotel, lately?

Bless your bacon wrapped heart George! I hope you get all the salt you want in life.....your very short life, I'm afraid. Your argument makes no sense at all, this was all covered in your last "salt rant", which likewise.......made no sense at all. So why do we need a Pharmacist and drug laws....can't we just walk in and mix up what we want...even if it kills us? Hey, you guys on the right have me convinced it would be good for America if we could, the Tea Baggers and many here would simply disappear in no time at all. You might be the first to go George........
Regards!

Rupert you really don't read do you? I don't use salt. At least not very much at all. And I can't remember the last time I even had bacon. Not really a fan of that either. Bless your heart.

[Rupert]

Rupert you really don't read do you? I don't use salt. At least not very much at all. And I can't remember the last time I even had bacon. Not really a fan of that either. Bless your heart.

You're not the guy that put salt on everything before even tasting? Golly gee! I'm so sorry! I read it in a post here.....one of yours, in fact!
Regards!

[shooz]

He forgets a lot.
Obama took his fish too.
He just likes to have peevish rants. DAMN the facts.

[Ratmagiclady]

You're not the guy that put salt on everything before even tasting? Golly gee! I'm so sorry! I read it in a post here.....one of yours, in fact!
Regards!

It's the principle of the thing, you see. It's all a matter of 'personal virtue...' Unless of course you aren't allowed to know what you're eating, then it's out of your hands, so it's OK.

PBS was running 'Food, Inc' last night, fittingly-enough. Very worth a watch if you think this is somehow 'populist' to let the corporations run roughshod over our health, use the power of money, and call it 'freedom.'

"Consume this crap, and take the blame! Buy *diet* crap Lite! And pills! And complain about the health bill. Don't label anything, or you'll lose jobs, you Commie! "

(Warning: This documentary may piss off real conservatives. )

You're not the guy that put salt on everything before even tasting? Golly gee! I'm so sorry! I read it in a post here.....one of yours, in fact!
Regards!

Use to do that. Read my lips. Use to do that. NOW I RARELY IF EVER USE SALT.

There is also this that I posted:

To determine the net effect of any medical intervention, all of its multiple effects must be considered. Exclusive attention to any one—blood pressure, for example—may result in having another unwanted effect overlooked. It is impossible to predict what effects might have been produced by changing daily diets with the sole objective of accommodating a halving of sodium intake, from 10 to 5 g.

[GatorPentax]

Wow, give the guy a break people. He brings up a valid point, and so do many of you. If you don't like salty foods, don't buy it. And if there are enough people that don't want salty goods, the suppliers will change their formula to fit the mass. (an example of a company changing formulas to match demand would be Coca Cola).

It is not up to the government to decide what we can and can not eat. If we want to eat greasy, salty foods, let it be. The consequences are ours and ours alone.

Ratlady, I understand what you're saying about not being able to take out salt but you can always add more. But if the food tasted terrible or too salty, wouldnt the customers just stop going to the restaurant? Either the restaurant/food manufacturer changes their recipes or risk going bankrupt due to lack of customers.

The problem is, people WANT salty, and greasy. And i say let them. Our government is suppose to protect our rights to be stupid as long as our stupidity does not affect anyone else. I don't see how one idiot over indulging on salt is going to bother anyone but themself.

[Ratmagiclady]

Wow, give the guy a break people. He brings up a valid point, and so do many of you. If you don't like salty foods, don't buy it. And if there are enough people that don't want salty goods, the suppliers will change their formula to fit the mass. (an example of a company changing formulas to match demand would be Coca Cola).

It is not up to the government to decide what we can and can not eat. If we want to eat greasy, salty foods, let it be. The consequences are ours and ours alone.

That's kind of just the point: Marketing 'races to the bottom' healthwise. The added salt and fat and sugar actually gets more positive reactions because it *plays with our evolved instincts.*

(Even way past the point where it consciously tastes better: it also covers up for declines in the quality of the actual food content.)

Ratlady, I understand what you're saying about not being able to take out salt but you can always add more. But if the food tasted terrible or too salty, wouldnt the customers just stop going to the restaurant? Either the restaurant/food manufacturer changes their recipes or risk going bankrupt due to lack of customers.

Again, this is where the marketing-competition gets involved.

The fact is, some things do in fact *subvert* these simplistic 'supply-and-demand' 'consumer choice' 'individual responsibility' ideas. Say you don't want to eat GMO's... How do you find out where they *are?* Agribusiness outlawed labelling things as free of them.

One thing George and I do have in common is knowing that more salt in a red sauce doesn't make it better.

The problem is, people WANT salty, and greasy. And i say let them. Our government is suppose to protect our rights to be stupid as long as our stupidity does not affect anyone else.

But it *does.* It affects poorer folk disproportionately, for one thing. You take what you can get, especially if you're running crazy for less pay, just to stay in a house or something, and actually, one thing about the car-dependence of the world is that urban markets with wholesome food are often just that far away, increasingly. (Where they exist, they're precious, of course, but on the marge between city and suburbia,... Problematic, especially if you have other problems to deal with and they're cutting bus service or you're on the wrong spur....)

Not that it's not *possible* to get by (a lot better) with dried beans and rice and the like... If you have a functioning kitchen. Preferably enough cooperation on the cooking and cleaning... But when things get less ideal and you can't just throw five or twenty bucks at tonight's dining, yeah. You eat a lot of crap you'd rather not.

It's not just 'stupidity,' especially if you don't have much choice. This *really is* messing with instincts (Instincts the same people don't want us to even be aware of) ...And the less you get of the real stuff, the more appealing the ersatz is.

I don't see how one idiot over indulging on salt is going to bother anyone but themself.

It's not about 'one idiot,' is the thing. It's about a big machine.

[Parallax]

................ Our government is suppose to protect our rights to be stupid as long as our stupidity does not affect anyone else. .................

Yes, it is supposed to. What is about to happen, or is actually in the early stages of happening, is that with government managed health care the government will claim that unhealthy choices do affect everyone else. Unhealthy people have higher medical cost and since everyone will be paying everyone else's medical costs being unhealthy, (overweight, poor diet, whatever) negatively impacts others. Therefor, in the public interest, the government will claim the right to dictate to you and me what we can and can't eat or drink. Tobacco and alcoholic beverages will be unaffected because of the tax revenue they generate.

[shooz]

The taste of the salt is covered up by the grease. Grease gives food a "mouth round" kind of flavor. In profusion, neither are very good for you. Yet profusion is what you are sold.
Both food additives are cheap and readily available.
Question all corporate motives and operatiions.
After all they control your government.

[Ratmagiclady]

Yes, it is supposed to. What is about to happen, or is actually in the early stages of happening, is that with government managed health care the government will claim that unhealthy choices do affect everyone else. Unhealthy people have higher medical cost and since everyone will be paying everyone else's medical costs being unhealthy, (overweight, poor diet, whatever) negatively impacts others. Therefor, in the public interest, the government will claim the right to dictate to you and me what we can and can't eat or drink. Tobacco and alcoholic beverages will be unaffected because of the tax revenue they generate.

Reality check: while being all anti-gummint, here in Georgia, they keep raising the 'sin taxes' on these things, and expecting the revenue stream to stay there, when they actually disproportionately affect the poor and tend to choke *off* the promised revenue streams.

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The taste of the salt is covered up by the grease. Grease gives food a "mouth round" kind of flavor. In profusion, neither are very good for you. Yet profusion is what you are sold.
Both food additives are cheap and readily available.
Question all corporate motives and operatiions.
After all they control your government.

And the 'free market.' (No such animal, actually.)

Seems to me the only ones not 'personally responsible for their actions' are churches and corporations, here. They say 'Personal choice' unless they don't like the choice you might make.