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**Cerebum** · 08-12-2018, 11:43 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by UncleVanya

I have owned a couple of the 18-55's and the DAL version of the 18-50. I also own the DA 18-135. Of the three I like the 18-135 the best and the 18-50 the next and then the 18-55's. But all will serve as good options. The 18-135 is a special lens in that it has a large range and not a lot of compromises from about 18-70 and then above 70 it has some falloff on the corners but most telephoto shots can stand that loss easily.

I completely agree regarding the 18-135mm, it is something to aspire to but you are probably looking at $150-200. Another one to aim for that is in the same price range is the smc da 55-300mm wr, another brilliant lens that comes in at a reasonable price. I have the DA-l version and it isnt weather resistant and doesnt have a manual focus ring. The 50-200mm is quite good but not as stellar as the above, but it is below $100, the 18-50mm is said to be a good kit lens and is similarly priced to the 50-200mm. The 18-55mm is the bargain basement lens, you should get a wr for less than $50. Make sure you get the one with the green band. I think the da-l is weatherproof but the green band version has a better build and manual focus. The 18-55mm is a bit noisy and slow but it can produce superb results. I still have mine and use it from time to time despite having better kit

Jonathan Mac · 08-13-2018, 02:45 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Cerebum

I completely agree regarding the 18-135mm, it is something to aspire to but you are probably looking at $150-200. Another one to aim for that is in the same price range is the smc da 55-300mm wr, another brilliant lens that comes in at a reasonable price. I have the DA-l version and it isnt weather resistant and doesnt have a manual focus ring. The 50-200mm is quite good but not as stellar as the above, but it is below $100, the 18-50mm is said to be a good kit lens and is similarly priced to the 50-200mm. The 18-55mm is the bargain basement lens, you should get a wr for less than $50. Make sure you get the one with the green band. I think the da-l is weatherproof but the green band version has a better build and manual focus. The 18-55mm is a bit noisy and slow but it can produce superb results. I still have mine and use it from time to time despite having better kit

I had to google some images but I'm pretty sure the DAL lenses all have manual focus rings. They have plastic mounts and no quick-shift but they do have manual focus rings.

For WR kit lenses go for the DA WR 18-55 which performs acceptably though it's soft at the long end below f/8.

I bought the 16-85 over the 18-135 as a better WR option and so far I'm pretty happy with it, though I haven't tried the 18-135 and the price difference is considerable. I prefer IQ over range.

**pepperberry farm** · 08-13-2018, 02:50 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by pepperberry farm

gonna need a new box of SMU's....

edit - I didn't notice that the second half of my post wasn't here:

a Vivitar 55mm f2.8 Macro 1:1 lens is on the way - and sorry if you were bidding against me....

**ivanvernon** · 08-13-2018, 03:21 AM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by dbs

Hi Ivan

What you didn't buy a box of them ?
Or is it you don't like white ?

Dave

Only five left in my size, so I bought them out. Big stack of black ones too, so I bought them out too, a full dozen. When I see a good deal like that, I hammer it.

**aslyfox** · 08-13-2018, 03:33 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Ropuchy

The 16-85 looks really nice, but it's a bit pricey for me. . . .

if you are willing to go for " experienced " equipment

put it on your private watch list or on the forum's wanted list, your choice

and regularly check the market place

you never know -

I found my " experienced " but like new HD Pentax-D FA* 70-200mm F2.8 ED DC AW

at a price I still haven't seen matched

don't be tardy though, 42 members contacted the seller on that one after I replied.

I replied less than 15 minutes after it had been posted.

Ropuchy · 08-13-2018, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by UncleVanya

I have owned a couple of the 18-55's and the DAL version of the 18-50. I also own the DA 18-135. Of the three I like the 18-135 the best and the 18-50 the next and then the 18-55's. But all will serve as good options. The 18-135 is a special lens in that it has a large range and not a lot of compromises from about 18-70 and then above 70 it has some falloff on the corners but most telephoto shots can stand that loss easily.

Oh ok, interesting!

Thanks for the input!

**Cerebum** · 08-13-2018, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by Jonathan Mac

I had to google some images but I'm pretty sure the DAL lenses all have manual focus rings. They have plastic mounts and no quick-shift but they do have manual focus rings.

For WR kit lenses go for the DA WR 18-55 which performs acceptably though it's soft at the long end below f/8.

I bought the 16-85 over the 18-135 as a better WR option and so far I'm pretty happy with it, though I haven't tried the 18-135 and the price difference is considerable. I prefer IQ over range.

My da-l 55-300mm doesn't have a manual focus capability. The ring is there but it doesn't turn

**UncleVanya** · 08-13-2018, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by Cerebum

My da-l 55-300mm doesn't have a manual focus capability. The ring is there but it doesn't turn

Have you turned off autofocus on the body? It should be locked while af is on since it lacks quick shift.

**Cerebum** · 08-13-2018, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by UncleVanya

Have you turned off autofocus on the body? It should be locked while af is on since it lacks quick shift.

Ooh, I am going to have to test that! Looks like I am mixing up auto focus and quick shift. I assumed it didnt so I didn't try. Test time

SSGGeezer · 08-13-2018, 01:01 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by pepperberry farm

gonna need a new box of SMU's....

What is coming your way now Dave? We are all curious why you would need some SMUs/

---------- Post added 08-13-18 at 01:04 PM ----------

OK, now I see the post on this page Dave.

**pepperberry farm** · 08-13-2018, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by SSGGeezer

What is coming your way now Dave? We are all curious why you would need some SMUs/

---------- Post added 08-13-18 at 01:04 PM ----------

OK, now I see the post on this page Dave.

I think I have a 55mm fetish...

**UncleVanya** · 08-13-2018, 01:16 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by pepperberry farm

i think i have a 55mm fetish...

must resist temptation to comment...

**pepperberry farm** · 08-13-2018, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by UncleVanya

must resist temptation to comment...

ah - thank you...

**wtlwdwgn** · 08-13-2018, 01:36 PM - **1 Like**

When looking for a 24mm lens I manage to do a double hit.

K 24 f/2.8.

Window test using the LR lens profile for the Takumar 28mm.

timw4mail · 08-13-2018, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by pepperberry farm

edit - I didn't notice that the second half of my post wasn't here:

a Vivitar 55mm f2.8 Macro 1:1 lens is on the way - and sorry if you were bidding against me....

Did I tempt you when I acquired one?

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08-12-2018, 11:43 PM - 2 Likes	#13441
Cerebum Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Lancaster Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,829	Originally posted by UncleVanya I have owned a couple of the 18-55's and the DAL version of the 18-50. I also own the DA 18-135. Of the three I like the 18-135 the best and the 18-50 the next and then the 18-55's. But all will serve as good options. The 18-135 is a special lens in that it has a large range and not a lot of compromises from about 18-70 and then above 70 it has some falloff on the corners but most telephoto shots can stand that loss easily. I completely agree regarding the 18-135mm, it is something to aspire to but you are probably looking at $150-200. Another one to aim for that is in the same price range is the smc da 55-300mm wr, another brilliant lens that comes in at a reasonable price. I have the DA-l version and it isnt weather resistant and doesnt have a manual focus ring. The 50-200mm is quite good but not as stellar as the above, but it is below $100, the 18-50mm is said to be a good kit lens and is similarly priced to the 50-200mm. The 18-55mm is the bargain basement lens, you should get a wr for less than $50. Make sure you get the one with the green band. I think the da-l is weatherproof but the green band version has a better build and manual focus. The 18-55mm is a bit noisy and slow but it can produce superb results. I still have mine and use it from time to time despite having better kit

08-13-2018, 02:45 AM - 1 Like	#13442
Jonathan Mac Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 10,911	Originally posted by Cerebum I completely agree regarding the 18-135mm, it is something to aspire to but you are probably looking at $150-200. Another one to aim for that is in the same price range is the smc da 55-300mm wr, another brilliant lens that comes in at a reasonable price. I have the DA-l version and it isnt weather resistant and doesnt have a manual focus ring. The 50-200mm is quite good but not as stellar as the above, but it is below $100, the 18-50mm is said to be a good kit lens and is similarly priced to the 50-200mm. The 18-55mm is the bargain basement lens, you should get a wr for less than $50. Make sure you get the one with the green band. I think the da-l is weatherproof but the green band version has a better build and manual focus. The 18-55mm is a bit noisy and slow but it can produce superb results. I still have mine and use it from time to time despite having better kit I had to google some images but I'm pretty sure the DAL lenses all have manual focus rings. They have plastic mounts and no quick-shift but they do have manual focus rings. For WR kit lenses go for the DA WR 18-55 which performs acceptably though it's soft at the long end below f/8. I bought the 16-85 over the 18-135 as a better WR option and so far I'm pretty happy with it, though I haven't tried the 18-135 and the price difference is considerable. I prefer IQ over range.

08-13-2018, 02:50 AM - 2 Likes	#13443
pepperberry farm amateur dirt farmer Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: probably out in a field somewhere... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 41,797	Originally posted by pepperberry farm gonna need a new box of SMU's.... edit - I didn't notice that the second half of my post wasn't here: a Vivitar 55mm f2.8 Macro 1:1 lens is on the way - and sorry if you were bidding against me....

08-13-2018, 03:21 AM - 4 Likes	#13444
ivanvernon Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Medina, OH Photos: Albums Posts: 7,224	Originally posted by dbs Hi Ivan What you didn't buy a box of them ? Or is it you don't like white ? Dave Only five left in my size, so I bought them out. Big stack of black ones too, so I bought them out too, a full dozen. When I see a good deal like that, I hammer it.

08-13-2018, 03:33 AM - 3 Likes	#13445
aslyfox Seeker of Knowledge Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Topeka, Kansas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 24,583	Originally posted by Ropuchy The 16-85 looks really nice, but it's a bit pricey for me. . . . if you are willing to go for " experienced " equipment put it on your private watch list or on the forum's wanted list, your choice and regularly check the market place you never know - I found my " experienced " but like new HD Pentax-D FA* 70-200mm F2.8 ED DC AW at a price I still haven't seen matched don't be tardy though, 42 members contacted the seller on that one after I replied. I replied less than 15 minutes after it had been posted.

08-13-2018, 10:49 AM	#13446
Ropuchy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Photos: Albums Posts: 207	Originally posted by UncleVanya I have owned a couple of the 18-55's and the DAL version of the 18-50. I also own the DA 18-135. Of the three I like the 18-135 the best and the 18-50 the next and then the 18-55's. But all will serve as good options. The 18-135 is a special lens in that it has a large range and not a lot of compromises from about 18-70 and then above 70 it has some falloff on the corners but most telephoto shots can stand that loss easily. Oh ok, interesting! Thanks for the input!

08-13-2018, 10:57 AM	#13447
Cerebum Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Lancaster Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,829	Originally posted by Jonathan Mac I had to google some images but I'm pretty sure the DAL lenses all have manual focus rings. They have plastic mounts and no quick-shift but they do have manual focus rings. For WR kit lenses go for the DA WR 18-55 which performs acceptably though it's soft at the long end below f/8. I bought the 16-85 over the 18-135 as a better WR option and so far I'm pretty happy with it, though I haven't tried the 18-135 and the price difference is considerable. I prefer IQ over range. My da-l 55-300mm doesn't have a manual focus capability. The ring is there but it doesn't turn

08-13-2018, 10:59 AM	#13448
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,472	Originally posted by Cerebum My da-l 55-300mm doesn't have a manual focus capability. The ring is there but it doesn't turn Have you turned off autofocus on the body? It should be locked while af is on since it lacks quick shift.

08-13-2018, 11:39 AM	#13449
Cerebum Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Lancaster Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,829	Originally posted by UncleVanya Have you turned off autofocus on the body? It should be locked while af is on since it lacks quick shift. Ooh, I am going to have to test that! Looks like I am mixing up auto focus and quick shift. I assumed it didnt so I didn't try. Test time

08-13-2018, 01:01 PM - 1 Like	#13450
SSGGeezer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Indiana, U.S. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,845	Originally posted by pepperberry farm gonna need a new box of SMU's.... What is coming your way now Dave? We are all curious why you would need some SMUs/ ---------- Post added 08-13-18 at 01:04 PM ---------- OK, now I see the post on this page Dave.

08-13-2018, 01:12 PM	#13451
pepperberry farm amateur dirt farmer Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: probably out in a field somewhere... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 41,797	Originally posted by SSGGeezer What is coming your way now Dave? We are all curious why you would need some SMUs/ ---------- Post added 08-13-18 at 01:04 PM ---------- OK, now I see the post on this page Dave. I think I have a 55mm fetish...

08-13-2018, 01:16 PM - 1 Like	#13452
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,472	Originally posted by pepperberry farm i think i have a 55mm fetish... must resist temptation to comment...

08-13-2018, 01:32 PM	#13453
pepperberry farm amateur dirt farmer Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: probably out in a field somewhere... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 41,797	Originally posted by UncleVanya must resist temptation to comment... ah - thank you...

08-13-2018, 01:36 PM - 1 Like	#13454
wtlwdwgn Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Billings, MT Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,853	When looking for a 24mm lens I manage to do a double hit. K 24 f/2.8. Window test using the LR lens profile for the Takumar 28mm.

08-13-2018, 04:11 PM	#13455
timw4mail Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Driving a Mirage Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,670	Originally posted by pepperberry farm edit - I didn't notice that the second half of my post wasn't here: a Vivitar 55mm f2.8 Macro 1:1 lens is on the way - and sorry if you were bidding against me.... Did I tempt you when I acquired one?

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