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04-27-2010, 02:30 AM   #16
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President Obama, who traveled to New York last week to deliver his case for sweeping changes to the financial system gets an even-up review of his performance on the issue, with 48 percent of those polled approving of his handling of financial regulation and 48 percent disapproving.

But compared with congressional Republicans, Obama has a clear advantage. A slim majority - 52 percent - of all Americans says they trust Obama over the GOP on the issue, while 35 percent favor the Republicans in Congress. Independents prefer Obama 47 to 35 percent, with 16 percent trusting neither side on the issue.
The area with the highest levels of cross-party support is on more robust federal oversight of the way banks and other financial companies make consumer loans, such as auto loans, credit cards and mortgages. Here, 44 percent of Republicans approve of stricter guidelines, joining 75 percent of Democrats and 57 percent of independents on the issue.

From the article that you selected you cant say that Obama has clear support since 48% disapprove of his handling the situation. I agree that the numbers are not in our favor but 35% of the polling sample side with the Republicans again more than a 1/3 of the sample. The fact that your article says that 44% of the Republicans agree that reforms have to be done sort of contradicts the statement that the Republicans are only a party of NO
Good points/ One of the reasons President Obama's approval numbers are not higher is that since the Healthcare debate, he has lost a good part of the left. That is one of the reasons the numbers distrusting the Republicans do not match those approving Obama. I have not seen it broken down for regulation yet, but it was a large chunk on health care, and those folks are still grumbling. A good portion of those who don't trust the President want changes more sweeping than they feel he will support. In health care, that number was 13-16% of the voters, depending upon the poll.

If 44% of Republicans agree that reforms should be undertaken, that means there is not a majority supporting reforms. I seem to recall a significant minority of Republicans who supported reform of health care. Perhaps the leadership is following the majority of the party. In any case, this significant minority needs to make its voice heard to its leadership, because the leadership is out there saying "no" to all sorts of things for all sorts of reasons that eventually won't sit well with the country. The case that comes to mind is Sen. Graham's switch on climate change, because the Dems might take up immigration--which Graham previously said was urgent.

It is taking the general public a long time to come to the conclusion that Republicans in Congress are just obstructing for political rather than policy reasons, but if they firmly come to that conclusion, it will take just as long to shake.

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The only place you claim to get news from is drudgereport. (known to fudge facts and lie)
From this and your personal observations, you form opinions.
I check news sources all over the world.

You claim blocking reform is the right thing to do.
Do you have any idea what a derivative is?
This is what we are seeking to reform among other things.

My question to you is why do want it to go on like it is?
Why do YOU want to stop reform?

Do you have all your money in hedge funds or something?
Please: Read what I say. I did not say that I get my news from Drudge. I compared Huffington to it. I check news sources from all over too and form my opinions from them.

Yes, blocking reform is the right thing. Why? Because there are already tools in place for the regulation of the financial sector. Yet they are allowed to sit around doing the five finger shuffle over their porn stash rather than doing their job. Add to that the fact that the collapse of the system was begun by politicians, (Carter), coercing the banks into breaking their own lending practices and lending money to people who couldn't afford it. This was accelerated by more politicians, (Clinton, Bush and quite possible Reagan - though I can find no evidence of it with him). What makes some politicians decide they knew better than a centuries old banking system as to what was safe I will never know - but, as usual, the moment these mental midgets who have, (for the largest part), not had a "proper job" in their lives get elected they suddenly become experts on things they couldn't spell the day before. In short, the financial system was trashed by politicians meddling with it and I see no reason that further meddling will improve the issue. They might patch "x" but I can guarantee you that, in doing so, they will utterly screw up "y".

Why is it that you left wingers always want to pile on with legislation rather than enforce the legislation and oversight that is already in place. Between the porn hungry SEC not doing their job and Fannie and Freddie being mismanaged and fiscally raped by people who were bare faced lying to the politicians, (whom they were paying off with campaign contributions), the financial problems would not have occurred. It's the same with everything... Legislate, legislate, legislate. Rather than do like most of us and live and let live you have this busybody, "I know best" attitude that makes you just have to force your standards and wishes down everyone's throats.

As to calling you names... If your nine year old whined like you did, ("Why do they keep blocking things"), then you would tell her to dry her eyes too I'm sure. Get a thicker skin, you live in Detroit, I thought you lot were tough...

Yucatan:

If your going to quote things at people on the internet it's customary to post a link to the source such that readers can verify the information, decide upon it's veracity and consider the author. Quoting statistics will nilly is no different to making them up and they are, appropriately, ignored.

Rupert:

I watched Fox news once... I turned it off. Find another subject - your record is stuck.
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Still name calling eh?
You're late to the party if you think you can still blame much of anything on Carter.

In fact, You are the winger. Not me.
Nor have you explained your position on anything, other than to cite chapter and verse the RIGHT wing position.

Seems to me you're the one stuck in a rut. Repeating the same crap I've been hearing for years. It was wrong then. It's still wrong now.

You won't even say where you get your info, or were you live.
You're the one needing thicker skin. not me.
Shall I start returning your insults in kind?
It would be the conservative way, so I won't.

I will however tell you to rethink your position, without the wing. As you have but one.
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Still name calling eh?
You and Rupert are utterly amazing. He sees racism and bigotry in anything written that he doesn't agree with and you see name calling.

This is what I wrote:-

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Please: Read what I say. I did not say that I get my news from Drudge. I compared Huffington to it. I check news sources from all over too and form my opinions from them.

Yes, blocking reform is the right thing. Why? Because there are already tools in place for the regulation of the financial sector. Yet they are allowed to sit around doing the five finger shuffle over their porn stash rather than doing their job. Add to that the fact that the collapse of the system was begun by politicians, (Carter), coercing the banks into breaking their own lending practices and lending money to people who couldn't afford it. This was accelerated by more politicians, (Clinton, Bush and quite possible Reagan - though I can find no evidence of it with him). What makes some politicians decide they knew better than a centuries old banking system as to what was safe I will never know - but, as usual, the moment these mental midgets who have, (for the largest part), not had a "proper job" in their lives get elected they suddenly become experts on things they couldn't spell the day before. In short, the financial system was trashed by politicians meddling with it and I see no reason that further meddling will improve the issue. They might patch "x" but I can guarantee you that, in doing so, they will utterly screw up "y".

Why is it that you left wingers always want to pile on with legislation rather than enforce the legislation and oversight that is already in place. Between the porn hungry SEC not doing their job and Fannie and Freddie being mismanaged and fiscally raped by people who were bare faced lying to the politicians, (whom they were paying off with campaign contributions), the financial problems would not have occurred. It's the same with everything... Legislate, legislate, legislate. Rather than do like most of us and live and let live you have this busybody, "I know best" attitude that makes you just have to force your standards and wishes down everyone's throats.

As to calling you names... If your nine year old whined like you did, ("Why do they keep blocking things"), then you would tell her to dry her eyes too I'm sure. Get a thicker skin, you live in Detroit, I thought you lot were tough...
Please show me what names I called you.

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Can't remember eh?


Let's see.
You called me arrogant.
A princess.
thin skinned.
Compared me to a whining 9 yr old.
All because I asked you a question or two.

For all of your verbage, you never really answered those questions.
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Ahhh... You're being obtuse.

You said:-

"Still name calling eh?"

I quoted back what I had just written and asked you to point out what names I called you. Your response was:-

"You called me arrogant.
A princess.
thin skinned.
Compared me to a whining 9 yr old.
All because I asked you a question or two."

I did not use the word arrogant. I did not use the word Princess. I suggested you get thicker skin. I asked if your nine your old acted like you did in your previous post then you would deal with them wouldn't you?

None of that is "name calling" but, thank you. Between yourself, Yucatan, and most especially Rupert you have made me realize that when you are stumped for logical, sensible discourse you cry "foul" as you did here or call your opponent racist, bigot or anything else to deflect from your inability to respond sensibly. I shall make sure I give you all plenty of reasons to give vent to your frustrations... It will remain here, in public, for all to laugh at... Errr... I mean see...

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Nor have you explained your position on anything, other than to cite chapter and verse the RIGHT wing position.
Now, sit down. This is going to shock you. I have come to my political beliefs on my own. I do not like politicians one iota and have almost as little respect for the mass media. The fact that my opinions upon how a country should be run happen to fall right of center, (with certain glaring differences), is the product of independent though rather than a herd mentality as generated by said politicians and media.

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04-27-2010, 12:55 PM   #22
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What about instead of enacting new legislation we enforce what's already there?
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What about instead of enacting new legislation we enforce what's already there?
Actually, the answer to that is easy. If you are a politician of any brand and you go to Disneyland on the Potomac and, at the end of four years, go back to your constituency having done nothing you won't get re-elected. If, however, you legislate or regulate something, anything, even if it is already legislated or regulated you get to say "look, I did this". Then you can't be accused of being a lazy, no good, worthless ... well, you get the picture... and you'll get re-elected. Which is all they actually care about because it makes them millions of dollars.

04-27-2010, 07:16 PM   #24
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QuoteOriginally posted by GingeM Quote
Actually, the answer to that is easy. If you are a politician of any brand and you go to Disneyland on the Potomac and, at the end of four years, go back to your constituency having done nothing you won't get re-elected. If, however, you legislate or regulate something, anything, even if it is already legislated or regulated you get to say "look, I did this". Then you can't be accused of being a lazy, no good, worthless ... well, you get the picture... and you'll get re-elected. Which is all they actually care about because it makes them millions of dollars.
So what you're basically saying is that most of the American people are basically stupid? Or just gullible?
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So what you're basically saying is that most of the American people are basically stupid? Or just gullible?
It is my experience that the electorate's of most of the "first world" countries have become lazy and apathetic. However, I am becoming more optimistic about the future having witnessed the goings on in Europe and the current backlash against the current administration...
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All that was undone during Saturday's Republican state convention, which seethed with an anti-incumbent, anti-Obama-Reid-Pelosi rancor. When Bennett lost, the yips and howls from thousands of delegates sounded like coyotes going after one of their own.

Left standing were Mike Lee and Tim Bridgewater, both Utah County Republicans who like the tea partiers and 9/12ers just fine. Both claim to be strict constitutionalists who will free Utah from an oppressive federal government, take back federal lands in Utah and repeal health care reform.

Good luck with that. It's also clear that the anti-incumbent fervor across the nation will change Congress in ways that can't be completely clear now. If Utah politics are any harbinger, the national trend will be more bloody-minded than ever.

And that would imperil whatever unity the United States needs in a time of joblessness, rampant home foreclosures, renegade banks, out-of-control health care costs and two astonishingly expensive wars.

It's like Mother always told us: "Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it."
McEntee: Right-wingers boot Bennett - Salt Lake Tribune
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I have been saying that since the last Presidential election, the entire democratic basis for the campaign was simply that every republican was exactly like Bush and since we hate Bush every Republican must go. They tapped into the anti-incumbant genie and there is no way to put it back in the bottle and its going to eat both parties up until the hate is satiated
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