The next Q model sensor

Painter · 03-15-2016, 10:43 AM

I have the original Q and the Q7 which was such an improvement in image quality that the Q just never gets used. If the 2014 Q-s1 uses the same sensor as the 2013 Q7 then what could we expect to see with a new Q in 2016 or 2017?

If they went with a stacked BSI sensor with PDAF maybe we could see as much improvement again. Ricoh might as well leverage the developments in phone sensors to make what is thought of as a disadvantage into an advantage.

Thoughts?

CarlJF · 03-15-2016, 11:06 AM

Although I hope to be mistaken, I think the Q-S1 is the last Q we will ever see. There's no sign that a new Q, or lenses, will be launched anytime soon. Even worst, RP doesn't even look interested anymore in developing this line of products...

So, I don't hold my breath for new sensor. Although I would really love to see a new Q.

Adam · 03-15-2016, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by CarlJF

Although I hope to be mistaken, I think the Q-S1 is the last Q we will ever see. There's no sign that a new Q, or lenses, will be launched anytime soon. Even worst, RP doesn't even look interested anymore in developing this line of products...

So, I don't hold my breath for new sensor. Although I would really love to see a new Q.

If anything along these lines were to happen, I think they should limit the Q line to Japan, since that's where it really sells. But I really do believe that a new model will be launched as resources allow.

**monochrome** · 03-15-2016, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by CarlJF

Although I hope to be mistaken, I think the Q-S1 is the last Q we will ever see. There's no sign that a new Q, or lenses, will be launched anytime soon. Even worst, RP doesn't even look interested anymore in developing this line of products...

So, I don't hold my breath for new sensor. Although I would really love to see a new Q.

Originally posted by Adam

If anything along these lines were to happen, I think they should limit the Q line to Japan, since that's where it really sells. But I really do believe that a new model will be launched as resources allow.

Didn't they say in the interview there's a new lens coming this spring?

tvdtvdtvd · 03-15-2016, 11:55 AM

I also recall a recent interview in which Ricoh confirmed the long promised Q macro was still in the pipeline.
Don't remember which interview....

**THoog** · 03-15-2016, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Didn't they say in the interview there's a new lens coming this spring?

CP+ 2016 PF Interview: "The Q line is still a current line, but we focused our limited resources on the K-1. We plan to release the roadmapped Q-mount macro lens in the near future."

My Ricoh-to-English translator can't decide if "near future" means "this spring" or "this year", but I think it's usually at the 'sooner' end of vague dates.

johnmflores · 03-15-2016, 12:31 PM

After a decade of rapid sensor improvements, it seems as if sensor tech has hit a plateau. While I would like the next Q to have better low light performance, I'm not holding my breath. But improved AF would be nice.

zmohie · 03-15-2016, 01:14 PM

can Q mount accept 1 inch sensor!
the original Q sensor was smaller than the q7 sensor!!!

Painter · 03-15-2016, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by zmohie

can Q mount accept 1 inch sensor!
the original Q sensor was smaller than the q7 sensor!!!

No the lenses dont cover more than the current 1/1.7" but that sensor size has seen major developments due to cell phones. There are sensors of the same size that outperform the one in the Q-S1

**BigMackCam** · 03-15-2016, 01:56 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Adam

If anything along these lines were to happen, I think they should limit the Q line to Japan, since that's where it really sells.

Nooooooooo!!

Although, even with Japan-only release, there's always eBay

CarlJF · 03-15-2016, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by THoog

CP+ 2016 PF Interview: "The Q line is still a current line, but we focused our limited resources on the K-1. We plan to release the roadmapped Q-mount macro lens in the near future."

My Ricoh-to-English translator can't decide if "near future" means "this spring" or "this year", but I think it's usually at the 'sooner' end of vague dates.

Problem is, RP said almost the same thing in the CP+ 2015 interview: "We are still developing the Q system, but are now concentrating all efforts on full-frame development. This includes lenses. The full-frame system is a priority.". And the macro lens is on the roadmap as "planned" since 2013... And was even hinted at in 2012 as a "telephoto prime" that PF was expecting to be available before the end of 2012...

I will probably buy the macro lens if it ever gets on the market. But I will believe it when I see it...

K David · 03-15-2016, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

Although, even with Japan-only release, there's always eBay

And Amazon.co.jp, which allows shipping to other countries.

**THoog** · 03-15-2016, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by THoog

CP+ 2016 PF Interview: "The Q line is still a current line, but we focused our limited resources on the K-1. We plan to release the roadmapped Q-mount macro lens in the near future."

Originally posted by CarlJF

Problem is, RP said almost the same thing in the CP+ 2015 interview: "We are still developing the Q system, but are now concentrating all efforts on full-frame development. This includes lenses. The full-frame system is a priority.". And the macro lens is on the roadmap as "planned" since 2013... And was even hinted at in 2012 as a "telephoto prime" that PF was expecting to be available before the end of 2012...

Actually, in Ricoh-speak, that's not the same at all. In 2015, they flat out said they were only working on FF, not Q. In 2016, they say they had been working only on FF, but plan to release the Q macro zoom in the near future. That's a lot more specific than "planned" or "we are considering it" or even "we're working on it". They generally don't name a particular product and say "near future" until they are close to a release.

reh321 · 03-15-2016, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by Adam

If anything along these lines were to happen, I think they should limit the Q line to Japan, since that's where it really sells. But I really do believe that a new model will be launched as resources allow.

I bought my 01 lens from a Japanese merchant via Amazon because it seemed to be "Japanese only" at the time.

Marktax · 03-15-2016, 09:48 PM - **1 Like**

Happy with the Q7 as it is, but would look into any improvements.

03-15-2016, 10:43 AM	#1
Painter Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 348	The next Q model sensor I have the original Q and the Q7 which was such an improvement in image quality that the Q just never gets used. If the 2014 Q-s1 uses the same sensor as the 2013 Q7 then what could we expect to see with a new Q in 2016 or 2017? If they went with a stacked BSI sensor with PDAF maybe we could see as much improvement again. Ricoh might as well leverage the developments in phone sensors to make what is thought of as a disadvantage into an advantage. Thoughts?

03-15-2016, 11:22 AM	#3
Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,595	Originally posted by CarlJF Although I hope to be mistaken, I think the Q-S1 is the last Q we will ever see. There's no sign that a new Q, or lenses, will be launched anytime soon. Even worst, RP doesn't even look interested anymore in developing this line of products... So, I don't hold my breath for new sensor. Although I would really love to see a new Q. If anything along these lines were to happen, I think they should limit the Q line to Japan, since that's where it really sells. But I really do believe that a new model will be launched as resources allow. Adam PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide \| Site Help \| My Photography) PentaxForums.com server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover these costs by donating or purchasing one of our Pentax eBooks. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, KEH, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

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03-15-2016, 11:06 AM	#2
CarlJF Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Quebec City Posts: 1,185	Although I hope to be mistaken, I think the Q-S1 is the last Q we will ever see. There's no sign that a new Q, or lenses, will be launched anytime soon. Even worst, RP doesn't even look interested anymore in developing this line of products... So, I don't hold my breath for new sensor. Although I would really love to see a new Q.

03-15-2016, 11:41 AM	#4
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by CarlJF Although I hope to be mistaken, I think the Q-S1 is the last Q we will ever see. There's no sign that a new Q, or lenses, will be launched anytime soon. Even worst, RP doesn't even look interested anymore in developing this line of products... So, I don't hold my breath for new sensor. Although I would really love to see a new Q. Originally posted by Adam If anything along these lines were to happen, I think they should limit the Q line to Japan, since that's where it really sells. But I really do believe that a new model will be launched as resources allow. Didn't they say in the interview there's a new lens coming this spring?

03-15-2016, 11:55 AM	#5
tvdtvdtvd Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,665	I also recall a recent interview in which Ricoh confirmed the long promised Q macro was still in the pipeline. Don't remember which interview....

03-15-2016, 11:57 AM	#6
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	Originally posted by monochrome Didn't they say in the interview there's a new lens coming this spring? CP+ 2016 PF Interview: "The Q line is still a current line, but we focused our limited resources on the K-1. We plan to release the roadmapped Q-mount macro lens in the near future." My Ricoh-to-English translator can't decide if "near future" means "this spring" or "this year", but I think it's usually at the 'sooner' end of vague dates.

03-15-2016, 12:31 PM	#7
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	After a decade of rapid sensor improvements, it seems as if sensor tech has hit a plateau. While I would like the next Q to have better low light performance, I'm not holding my breath. But improved AF would be nice.

03-15-2016, 01:14 PM	#8
zmohie Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: egypt Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 435	can Q mount accept 1 inch sensor! the original Q sensor was smaller than the q7 sensor!!!

03-15-2016, 01:43 PM	#9
Painter Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 348 Original Poster	Originally posted by zmohie can Q mount accept 1 inch sensor! the original Q sensor was smaller than the q7 sensor!!! No the lenses dont cover more than the current 1/1.7" but that sensor size has seen major developments due to cell phones. There are sensors of the same size that outperform the one in the Q-S1

03-15-2016, 01:56 PM - 1 Like	#10
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,671	Originally posted by Adam If anything along these lines were to happen, I think they should limit the Q line to Japan, since that's where it really sells. Nooooooooo!! Although, even with Japan-only release, there's always eBay

03-15-2016, 03:33 PM	#11
CarlJF Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Quebec City Posts: 1,185	Originally posted by THoog CP+ 2016 PF Interview: "The Q line is still a current line, but we focused our limited resources on the K-1. We plan to release the roadmapped Q-mount macro lens in the near future." My Ricoh-to-English translator can't decide if "near future" means "this spring" or "this year", but I think it's usually at the 'sooner' end of vague dates. Problem is, RP said almost the same thing in the CP+ 2015 interview: "We are still developing the Q system, but are now concentrating all efforts on full-frame development. This includes lenses. The full-frame system is a priority.". And the macro lens is on the roadmap as "planned" since 2013... And was even hinted at in 2012 as a "telephoto prime" that PF was expecting to be available before the end of 2012... I will probably buy the macro lens if it ever gets on the market. But I will believe it when I see it...

03-15-2016, 03:57 PM	#12
K David Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Colorado Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,437	Originally posted by BigMackCam Although, even with Japan-only release, there's always eBay And Amazon.co.jp, which allows shipping to other countries.

03-15-2016, 06:16 PM	#13
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	Originally posted by THoog CP+ 2016 PF Interview: "The Q line is still a current line, but we focused our limited resources on the K-1. We plan to release the roadmapped Q-mount macro lens in the near future." Originally posted by CarlJF Problem is, RP said almost the same thing in the CP+ 2015 interview: "We are still developing the Q system, but are now concentrating all efforts on full-frame development. This includes lenses. The full-frame system is a priority.". And the macro lens is on the roadmap as "planned" since 2013... And was even hinted at in 2012 as a "telephoto prime" that PF was expecting to be available before the end of 2012... Actually, in Ricoh-speak, that's not the same at all. In 2015, they flat out said they were only working on FF, not Q. In 2016, they say they had been working only on FF, but plan to release the Q macro zoom in the near future. That's a lot more specific than "planned" or "we are considering it" or even "we're working on it". They generally don't name a particular product and say "near future" until they are close to a release.

03-15-2016, 06:34 PM	#14
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,179	Originally posted by Adam If anything along these lines were to happen, I think they should limit the Q line to Japan, since that's where it really sells. But I really do believe that a new model will be launched as resources allow. I bought my 01 lens from a Japanese merchant via Amazon because it seemed to be "Japanese only" at the time.