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drypenn · 03-16-2016, 02:52 AM

Originally posted by johnmflores

After a decade of rapid sensor improvements, it seems as if sensor tech has hit a plateau. While I would like the next Q to have better low light performance, I'm not holding my breath. But improved AF would be nice.

Yup, faster AF will be very much welcome. At the cost of a few millimeters, I'd also want a tilting LCD and a small 6mm Prime would be most welcome.

**BigMackCam** · 03-16-2016, 03:03 AM

Originally posted by drypenn

... a small 6mm Prime would be most welcome.

+1

reh321 · 03-16-2016, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by drypenn

Yup, faster AF will be very much welcome. At the cost of a few millimeters, I'd also want a tilting LCD and a small 6mm Prime would be most welcome.

Yes, a tilting LCD would be very nice.
They have submitted two patents in the past year for primes around 4mm in length; I would prefer one of them to 6mm, but I wouldn't necessarily refuse to buy 6mm, depending on how they priced it.

alliumnsk · 03-18-2016, 04:00 AM

Originally posted by zmohie

can Q mount accept 1 inch sensor!
the original Q sensor was smaller than the q7 sensor!!!

Sure it can. However Pentax has other priorities at the moment.

Bophoto · 04-02-2016, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by alliumnsk

Sure it can. However Pentax has other priorities at the moment.

I hope we see a new Q at Photokina that has faster AF and processors. The priorities now are K1 and later on it´s new lenses to K1.
The 645 are now after K1 in need of a upgrade and a new K3 based on K1 or K1 and KS-2 can perhaps seen on Photokina in September.
A new external viewfinder that works on Q, Richo GR and "other" cameras (KO-2) most come too.

Caat · 05-03-2016, 12:29 PM

Any new Q I think would benefit from value adds such as WiFi or Bluetooth and maybe GPS. More easily allowing image sharing on such a camera makes more sense. It's supposed to be a fun and convenient camera. I do use my original Q but I think it needs a better response time, better video and a way better screen to have a future.

Oh, and all at a pretty low price.

Biro · 05-15-2016, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Painter

No the lenses dont cover more than the current 1/1.7" but that sensor size has seen major developments due to cell phones. There are sensors of the same size that outperform the one in the Q-S1

This doesn't mean a one-inch sensor couldn't be used in a new Q. I'm pretty sure we've determined that the Q lens circle can cover a 2/3 sensor, similar to that used in Fuji's compacts up to and including the X30. Why not go with that and use the extra sensor real estate in order to allow multi-aspect functionality, a la Panasonic LX100 with its larger 4/3 sensor?

Of course, Ricoh could also go with the latest-generation 1/1.7" sensor, which as others have posted, have been developed for phone cameras. The 1/1.7" sensors in both my Q-S1 and Olympus Stylus 1 give very good results.

reh321 · 05-15-2016, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by Biro

This doesn't mean a one-inch sensor couldn't be used in a new Q. I'm pretty sure we've determined that the Q lens circle can cover a 2/3 sensor, similar to that used in Fuji's compacts up to and including the X30. Why not go with that and use the extra sensor real estate in order to allow multi-aspect functionality, a la Panasonic LX100 with its larger 4/3 sensor?

Why not a one-inch sensor? This suggestion comes up regularly, and I regularly make the same response. Many of us were attracted to the Q family because of how it turns the K-mount lenses we already have into really nice birding lenses. Go from the 4.7 crop-factor of the Q-7/Q-S2 to the 2.7 crop-factor of a one-inch sensor, and the camera becomes just another camera to us.

Biro · 05-15-2016, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by reh321

Why not a one-inch sensor? This suggestion comes up regularly, and I regularly make the same response. Many of us were attracted to the Q family because of how it turns the K-mount lenses we already have into really nice birding lenses. Go from the 4.7 crop-factor of the Q-7/Q-S2 to the 2.7 crop-factor of a one-inch sensor, and the camera becomes just another camera to us.

I understand your concerns, which are legitimate. I often use my Q-S1 in the same way. Why not a crop mode, a la K1? Perhaps not in every Q body, but how about a Q "Limited" with a crop function? And, even when using the 4.7 crop factor, you'd still enjoy the larger photo sites of the one-inch sensor.

reh321 · 05-15-2016, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by Biro

I understand your concerns, which are legitimate. I often use my Q-S1 in the same way. Why not a crop mode, a la K1? Perhaps not in every Q body, but how about a Q "Limited" with a crop function? And, even when using the 4.7 crop factor, you'd still enjoy the larger photo sites of the one-inch sensor.

Larger sites, but how many of them? At one time it was suggested to me that I'd be better off taking a picture with my K-30 and then cropping to get the same effect as taking a picture with the same lens on my Q-7. However, controlled backyard testing showed that the Q-7 worked better, because it put so many more pixels into the effort.

CFWhitman · 06-15-2016, 06:43 AM

Incidentally, the 1/1.7" is significantly larger than any cell phone camera sensor I've ever heard of. The largest cell phone camera sensor I'm aware of was the one on the Nokia Lumia 1520, a 1/2.5" sensor, which is slightly smaller than the original Q sensor (1/2.3"), though it was 20 a megapixel sensor.

Death89 · 06-30-2016, 05:45 AM

I used to have the frankly amazing Nokia N8-00 with it's 12mp 1/1.7" 28mm f2.8 Zeiss camera / lens combo. It's what got me onto photography in the first place. Amazing phone and camera, and the 808 that came after was a 41mp 1/1.2" 26mm f2.4 for those that haven't heard of the pair. I still wish someone in the current smartphone market would try to at least equal the N8.

CFWhitman · 06-30-2016, 11:21 AM

Your post prompted me to look into this a bit further, and I found that there are actually several cell phone cameras that have a sensor the same size as the original Q, but very few that have one bigger than that, most of them Nokias, and only three that I found with as large or larger sensor than the Q7/Q-S1. Two of those you mentioned, the Nokia N8-00 (same size) and the Nokia PureView 808 (bigger as mentioned). The third is more a camera with a cell phone attached than a cell phone with a camera, and that is the Panasonic Lumix CM1, with a 1" sensor.

johnmflores · 06-30-2016, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by CFWhitman

Your post prompted me to look into this a bit further, and I found that there are actually several cell phone cameras that have a sensor the same size as the original Q, but very few that have one bigger than that, most of them Nokias, and only three that I found with as large or larger sensor than the Q7/Q-S1. Two of those you mentioned, the Nokia N8-00 (same size) and the Nokia PureView 808 (bigger as mentioned). The third is more a camera with a cell phone attached than a cell phone with a camera, and that is the Panasonic Lumix CM1, with a 1" sensor.

Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge has a 1/2.3, 12 megapickle sensor with a 26mm EQ F1.7 lens with mechanical image stabilization. The camera can shoot RAW too. I'd judge the IQ close to the original Q, perhaps a touch behind.

surfar · 06-30-2016, 03:17 PM

Samsung are developing a 1/1.7'' sensor for their smart phones, no idea of when it'll be available.

Samsung S4 Zoom(18mp) and Samsung K Zoom(20mp) both do reasonably good jpegs with their 1/2.3'' sensors.

---------- Post added 07-01-16 at 09:19 AM ----------

Originally posted by CFWhitman

Panasonic Lumix CM1, with a 1" sensor

I considered this but thought that the 15fps video wasn't good enough.

05-15-2016, 05:50 PM	#24
Biro Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,200	Originally posted by reh321 Why not a one-inch sensor? This suggestion comes up regularly, and I regularly make the same response. Many of us were attracted to the Q family because of how it turns the K-mount lenses we already have into really nice birding lenses. Go from the 4.7 crop-factor of the Q-7/Q-S2 to the 2.7 crop-factor of a one-inch sensor, and the camera becomes just another camera to us. I understand your concerns, which are legitimate. I often use my Q-S1 in the same way. Why not a crop mode, a la K1? Perhaps not in every Q body, but how about a Q "Limited" with a crop function? And, even when using the 4.7 crop factor, you'd still enjoy the larger photo sites of the one-inch sensor. Last edited by Biro; 05-15-2016 at 06:17 PM.

06-30-2016, 01:56 PM	#29
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	Originally posted by CFWhitman Your post prompted me to look into this a bit further, and I found that there are actually several cell phone cameras that have a sensor the same size as the original Q, but very few that have one bigger than that, most of them Nokias, and only three that I found with as large or larger sensor than the Q7/Q-S1. Two of those you mentioned, the Nokia N8-00 (same size) and the Nokia PureView 808 (bigger as mentioned). The third is more a camera with a cell phone attached than a cell phone with a camera, and that is the Panasonic Lumix CM1, with a 1" sensor. Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge has a 1/2.3, 12 megapickle sensor with a 26mm EQ F1.7 lens with mechanical image stabilization. The camera can shoot RAW too. I'd judge the IQ close to the original Q, perhaps a touch behind. Last edited by johnmflores; 03-07-2017 at 06:13 AM.

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03-16-2016, 02:52 AM	#16
drypenn Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Photos: Albums Posts: 963	Originally posted by johnmflores After a decade of rapid sensor improvements, it seems as if sensor tech has hit a plateau. While I would like the next Q to have better low light performance, I'm not holding my breath. But improved AF would be nice. Yup, faster AF will be very much welcome. At the cost of a few millimeters, I'd also want a tilting LCD and a small 6mm Prime would be most welcome.

03-16-2016, 03:03 AM	#17
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,705	Originally posted by drypenn ... a small 6mm Prime would be most welcome. +1

03-16-2016, 09:53 AM	#18
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,186	Originally posted by drypenn Yup, faster AF will be very much welcome. At the cost of a few millimeters, I'd also want a tilting LCD and a small 6mm Prime would be most welcome. Yes, a tilting LCD would be very nice. They have submitted two patents in the past year for primes around 4mm in length; I would prefer one of them to 6mm, but I wouldn't necessarily refuse to buy 6mm, depending on how they priced it.

03-18-2016, 04:00 AM	#19
alliumnsk Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 74	Originally posted by zmohie can Q mount accept 1 inch sensor! the original Q sensor was smaller than the q7 sensor!!! Sure it can. However Pentax has other priorities at the moment.

04-02-2016, 04:09 PM	#20
Bophoto Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 429	Originally posted by alliumnsk Sure it can. However Pentax has other priorities at the moment. I hope we see a new Q at Photokina that has faster AF and processors. The priorities now are K1 and later on it´s new lenses to K1. The 645 are now after K1 in need of a upgrade and a new K3 based on K1 or K1 and KS-2 can perhaps seen on Photokina in September. A new external viewfinder that works on Q, Richo GR and "other" cameras (KO-2) most come too.

05-03-2016, 12:29 PM	#21
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	Any new Q I think would benefit from value adds such as WiFi or Bluetooth and maybe GPS. More easily allowing image sharing on such a camera makes more sense. It's supposed to be a fun and convenient camera. I do use my original Q but I think it needs a better response time, better video and a way better screen to have a future. Oh, and all at a pretty low price.

05-15-2016, 04:29 PM	#22
Biro Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,200	Originally posted by Painter No the lenses dont cover more than the current 1/1.7" but that sensor size has seen major developments due to cell phones. There are sensors of the same size that outperform the one in the Q-S1 This doesn't mean a one-inch sensor couldn't be used in a new Q. I'm pretty sure we've determined that the Q lens circle can cover a 2/3 sensor, similar to that used in Fuji's compacts up to and including the X30. Why not go with that and use the extra sensor real estate in order to allow multi-aspect functionality, a la Panasonic LX100 with its larger 4/3 sensor? Of course, Ricoh could also go with the latest-generation 1/1.7" sensor, which as others have posted, have been developed for phone cameras. The 1/1.7" sensors in both my Q-S1 and Olympus Stylus 1 give very good results.

05-15-2016, 05:29 PM	#23
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,186	Originally posted by Biro This doesn't mean a one-inch sensor couldn't be used in a new Q. I'm pretty sure we've determined that the Q lens circle can cover a 2/3 sensor, similar to that used in Fuji's compacts up to and including the X30. Why not go with that and use the extra sensor real estate in order to allow multi-aspect functionality, a la Panasonic LX100 with its larger 4/3 sensor? Why not a one-inch sensor? This suggestion comes up regularly, and I regularly make the same response. Many of us were attracted to the Q family because of how it turns the K-mount lenses we already have into really nice birding lenses. Go from the 4.7 crop-factor of the Q-7/Q-S2 to the 2.7 crop-factor of a one-inch sensor, and the camera becomes just another camera to us.

05-15-2016, 06:23 PM	#25
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,186	Originally posted by Biro I understand your concerns, which are legitimate. I often use my Q-S1 in the same way. Why not a crop mode, a la K1? Perhaps not in every Q body, but how about a Q "Limited" with a crop function? And, even when using the 4.7 crop factor, you'd still enjoy the larger photo sites of the one-inch sensor. Larger sites, but how many of them? At one time it was suggested to me that I'd be better off taking a picture with my K-30 and then cropping to get the same effect as taking a picture with the same lens on my Q-7. However, controlled backyard testing showed that the Q-7 worked better, because it put so many more pixels into the effort.

06-15-2016, 06:43 AM	#26
CFWhitman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Upstate New York, US Photos: Albums Posts: 225	Incidentally, the 1/1.7" is significantly larger than any cell phone camera sensor I've ever heard of. The largest cell phone camera sensor I'm aware of was the one on the Nokia Lumia 1520, a 1/2.5" sensor, which is slightly smaller than the original Q sensor (1/2.3"), though it was 20 a megapixel sensor.

06-30-2016, 05:45 AM	#27
Death89 Guest	I used to have the frankly amazing Nokia N8-00 with it's 12mp 1/1.7" 28mm f2.8 Zeiss camera / lens combo. It's what got me onto photography in the first place. Amazing phone and camera, and the 808 that came after was a 41mp 1/1.2" 26mm f2.4 for those that haven't heard of the pair. I still wish someone in the current smartphone market would try to at least equal the N8.

06-30-2016, 11:21 AM	#28
CFWhitman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Upstate New York, US Photos: Albums Posts: 225	Your post prompted me to look into this a bit further, and I found that there are actually several cell phone cameras that have a sensor the same size as the original Q, but very few that have one bigger than that, most of them Nokias, and only three that I found with as large or larger sensor than the Q7/Q-S1. Two of those you mentioned, the Nokia N8-00 (same size) and the Nokia PureView 808 (bigger as mentioned). The third is more a camera with a cell phone attached than a cell phone with a camera, and that is the Panasonic Lumix CM1, with a 1" sensor.

06-30-2016, 03:17 PM	#30
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,147	Samsung are developing a 1/1.7'' sensor for their smart phones, no idea of when it'll be available. Samsung S4 Zoom(18mp) and Samsung K Zoom(20mp) both do reasonably good jpegs with their 1/2.3'' sensors. ---------- Post added 07-01-16 at 09:19 AM ---------- Originally posted by CFWhitman Panasonic Lumix CM1, with a 1" sensor I considered this but thought that the 15fps video wasn't good enough.

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