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Anvh · 07-02-2012, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by toukan

Then I guess the flip side of my question is whether focus peaking or any of the other supposed improvements of the K-30 can be add to the K-5 via a firmware update? thanks again for your comments.

It's all firmware, it comes down to highlighting high contrast area's something the Prime II should be able to do.

Asudef · 07-05-2012, 04:57 PM

I honestly don't get the point of the K30 or where in the Pentax lineup its supposed to fit into. I get that Pentax is targeting the more consumer level with a rugged camera but put alongside all the prosumer dslrs like K7/K5 there doesn't seem to be much difference.

At most, its gussied up and toned down. If I didn't already own a Pentax though I could see myself wanting one but after a little research, the K5 still seems like a better choice.

I guess if anything its setting the entry benchmark for future DSLRS with it essentially being a low cost K5. So hopefully Pentax does some wow worthy stuff in the next year or so.

Anvh · 07-05-2012, 05:34 PM

K5 has much more buttons and a magnesium body, in a way the K30 will replace the K5 and take and it should be able to take on the D7000 and 60D if you look at specs and features. the k5 is end off life and no new ones are make at the moment. Later this year a new camera placed higher then the K5 will come, think like 7D and D300s.

LeDave · 07-05-2012, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Anvh

K5 has much more buttons and a magnesium body, in a way the K30 will replace the K5 and take and it should be able to take on the D7000 and 60D if you look at specs and features. the k5 is end off life and no new ones are make at the moment. Later this year a new camera placed higher then the K5 will come, think like 7D and D300s.

If the K-5 drops in price after the release of the K-3, and the K-30 is still up in price, there is absolutely no way in hell can I see the K-30 sell. For the price of the K-5 and the K-30 right now, K-5 is a far much better deal despite the K-30 having better AF and video but most will use DSLR to take pictures. The K-5 is magnesium alloy, easier to access and change settings with more buttons, and top LCD. It's like when they released the 5DMK3 and the 5DMK2 absolutely swamped the sales of the 7D, at 1800 for a 5DMK2 and 1500 for a 7D, they had to move the 5DMK2 price up to 2100. I would imagine the K-5 doing the same pricing it at 1000 while 1400 for the K-3 and 850 for the K-30.

Anvh · 07-05-2012, 06:02 PM

Like said the K5 is already end off life and out of production, they are simply clearing the storage now.
So i doubt that over 3 months you will see much if any K5's in stores.

And the K5 is really at his lowest price now while the just introduced K30 will probably settle in price nicely most likely just under the K5 this month and dropping lower around Christmas again. I wouldnt worry about that.

loco · 07-05-2012, 06:12 PM

Well, here is why I am leaning towards getting a K-30 and not a K-5. Believe it or not, improved AF (if that is indeed the case) is pretty important. From what I've read, the K-5 has issues in low light. Coming from a K-r, I'd really like my next camera to have improved AF, not some of the same old problems.

And that brings about the idea of an upgrade. Those of you who already might have a K-5 or K-7 or whatever high end cameras Pentax has had in the past, might not understand this, but for entry-level users (K-r/K-x), many of us don't really care about a top LCD since we've never used one. The idea of dual e-dials is quite intriguing, as I can clearly see the benefit there. There are more buttons available for direct access to controls than the K-r. So, for us, this is an upgrade with some improvements (better AF/focus peaking/IQ/high ISO performance).

I believe the K-30 is the first weather sealed DSLR under $1000. That's pretty cool. The image quality is expected to approach the K-5's, even if it's not exactly the same. All this for $850, and that price will no doubt fall as the months pass.

By comparison, the K-5 is a heavier camera. Some people like me don't like lugging all that around. Your camera can be the greatest picture-taking machine ever invented, but if it's uncomfortable to use, you won't want to carry it around.

I see quite a bit of buzz over the K-30, certainly more than for the Q or K-01. Let's see if the reviews are positive. If I see good reviews and positive forum reports, I'll be buying one and I bet lots of other people will, too.

Edited to add: Another plus for the K-30 -- it uses AA batteries. Since I already think the K-5 is too heavy, I would not be interested in a grip. So, being able to use rechargeable AA's or lithium AA's in the K-30 is a real plus.

nulla · 07-05-2012, 08:30 PM

Have the external flash problems with the K5 been resolved with the K30?

LeDave · 07-05-2012, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by nulla

Have the external flash problems with the K5 been resolved with the K30?

What kind of external flash problems within the K-5?

JinDesu · 07-05-2012, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by LeDave

What kind of external flash problems within the K-5?

I believe this is the overexposure when using TTL?

nulla · 07-05-2012, 09:30 PM

Overexposure with bounce flash

Anvh · 07-06-2012, 06:47 AM

Originally posted by nulla

Overexposure with bounce flash

Never had that problem, but i use my camera on M mode when using the flash.

Ryan Trevisol · 07-06-2012, 07:04 AM

Originally posted by Anvh

Never had that problem, but i use my camera on M mode when using the flash.

Agreed. I shoot manual most of the time, and now that I have an AF Assist lamp, I really don't see the need to have a P-TTL flash. I've never had good success with letting the camera and flash decide how much light to give. Much easier to go manual.

mee · 07-06-2012, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by Ryan Trevisol

Agreed. I shoot manual most of the time, and now that I have an AF Assist lamp, I really don't see the need to have a P-TTL flash. I've never had good success with letting the camera and flash decide how much light to give. Much easier to go manual.

That's great but that doesn't answer the question..

Anvh · 07-07-2012, 03:03 AM

Originally posted by mee

That's great but that doesn't answer the question..

Automatic camera mode (certainly auto iso) never go hand in hand with P-TTL i doubt magical improves with the K30.
Sticking with manual camera mode with P-TTL flash is the easiest way and you've automatic exposure because the flash does fills in the rest of the light you need so it's easy to use.

MrCynical · 07-07-2012, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by LeDave

The K-5 is magnesium alloy, easier to access and change settings with more buttons, and top LCD.

My K20D has the same construction as the K30 (polycarbonate shell over an alloy frame), and it's always seemed perfectly solid to me. I would probably miss the top LCD though. And the AF mode selector. And the metering mode selector.

07-05-2012, 06:12 PM	#141
loco Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Virginia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,846	Well, here is why I am leaning towards getting a K-30 and not a K-5. Believe it or not, improved AF (if that is indeed the case) is pretty important. From what I've read, the K-5 has issues in low light. Coming from a K-r, I'd really like my next camera to have improved AF, not some of the same old problems. And that brings about the idea of an upgrade. Those of you who already might have a K-5 or K-7 or whatever high end cameras Pentax has had in the past, might not understand this, but for entry-level users (K-r/K-x), many of us don't really care about a top LCD since we've never used one. The idea of dual e-dials is quite intriguing, as I can clearly see the benefit there. There are more buttons available for direct access to controls than the K-r. So, for us, this is an upgrade with some improvements (better AF/focus peaking/IQ/high ISO performance). I believe the K-30 is the first weather sealed DSLR under $1000. That's pretty cool. The image quality is expected to approach the K-5's, even if it's not exactly the same. All this for $850, and that price will no doubt fall as the months pass. By comparison, the K-5 is a heavier camera. Some people like me don't like lugging all that around. Your camera can be the greatest picture-taking machine ever invented, but if it's uncomfortable to use, you won't want to carry it around. I see quite a bit of buzz over the K-30, certainly more than for the Q or K-01. Let's see if the reviews are positive. If I see good reviews and positive forum reports, I'll be buying one and I bet lots of other people will, too. Edited to add: Another plus for the K-30 -- it uses AA batteries. Since I already think the K-5 is too heavy, I would not be interested in a grip. So, being able to use rechargeable AA's or lithium AA's in the K-30 is a real plus. Last edited by loco; 07-05-2012 at 06:44 PM.

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07-02-2012, 10:31 AM	#136
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	Originally posted by toukan Then I guess the flip side of my question is whether focus peaking or any of the other supposed improvements of the K-30 can be add to the K-5 via a firmware update? thanks again for your comments. It's all firmware, it comes down to highlighting high contrast area's something the Prime II should be able to do.

07-05-2012, 04:57 PM	#137
Asudef Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: San Francisco Posts: 79	I honestly don't get the point of the K30 or where in the Pentax lineup its supposed to fit into. I get that Pentax is targeting the more consumer level with a rugged camera but put alongside all the prosumer dslrs like K7/K5 there doesn't seem to be much difference. At most, its gussied up and toned down. If I didn't already own a Pentax though I could see myself wanting one but after a little research, the K5 still seems like a better choice. I guess if anything its setting the entry benchmark for future DSLRS with it essentially being a low cost K5. So hopefully Pentax does some wow worthy stuff in the next year or so.

07-05-2012, 05:34 PM	#138
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	K5 has much more buttons and a magnesium body, in a way the K30 will replace the K5 and take and it should be able to take on the D7000 and 60D if you look at specs and features. the k5 is end off life and no new ones are make at the moment. Later this year a new camera placed higher then the K5 will come, think like 7D and D300s.

07-05-2012, 05:38 PM	#139
LeDave Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Minneapolis - St. Paul Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,067	Originally posted by Anvh K5 has much more buttons and a magnesium body, in a way the K30 will replace the K5 and take and it should be able to take on the D7000 and 60D if you look at specs and features. the k5 is end off life and no new ones are make at the moment. Later this year a new camera placed higher then the K5 will come, think like 7D and D300s. If the K-5 drops in price after the release of the K-3, and the K-30 is still up in price, there is absolutely no way in hell can I see the K-30 sell. For the price of the K-5 and the K-30 right now, K-5 is a far much better deal despite the K-30 having better AF and video but most will use DSLR to take pictures. The K-5 is magnesium alloy, easier to access and change settings with more buttons, and top LCD. It's like when they released the 5DMK3 and the 5DMK2 absolutely swamped the sales of the 7D, at 1800 for a 5DMK2 and 1500 for a 7D, they had to move the 5DMK2 price up to 2100. I would imagine the K-5 doing the same pricing it at 1000 while 1400 for the K-3 and 850 for the K-30.

07-05-2012, 06:02 PM	#140
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	Like said the K5 is already end off life and out of production, they are simply clearing the storage now. So i doubt that over 3 months you will see much if any K5's in stores. And the K5 is really at his lowest price now while the just introduced K30 will probably settle in price nicely most likely just under the K5 this month and dropping lower around Christmas again. I wouldnt worry about that.

07-05-2012, 08:30 PM	#142
nulla Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 1,560	Have the external flash problems with the K5 been resolved with the K30?

07-05-2012, 08:42 PM	#143
LeDave Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Minneapolis - St. Paul Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,067	Originally posted by nulla Have the external flash problems with the K5 been resolved with the K30? What kind of external flash problems within the K-5?

07-05-2012, 08:52 PM	#144
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Originally posted by LeDave What kind of external flash problems within the K-5? I believe this is the overexposure when using TTL?

07-05-2012, 09:30 PM	#145
nulla Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 1,560	Overexposure with bounce flash

07-06-2012, 06:47 AM	#146
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	Originally posted by nulla Overexposure with bounce flash Never had that problem, but i use my camera on M mode when using the flash.

07-06-2012, 07:04 AM	#147
Ryan Trevisol Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: South Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 312	Originally posted by Anvh Never had that problem, but i use my camera on M mode when using the flash. Agreed. I shoot manual most of the time, and now that I have an AF Assist lamp, I really don't see the need to have a P-TTL flash. I've never had good success with letting the camera and flash decide how much light to give. Much easier to go manual.

07-06-2012, 09:35 PM	#148
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by Ryan Trevisol Agreed. I shoot manual most of the time, and now that I have an AF Assist lamp, I really don't see the need to have a P-TTL flash. I've never had good success with letting the camera and flash decide how much light to give. Much easier to go manual. That's great but that doesn't answer the question..

07-07-2012, 03:03 AM	#149
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	Originally posted by mee That's great but that doesn't answer the question.. Automatic camera mode (certainly auto iso) never go hand in hand with P-TTL i doubt magical improves with the K30. Sticking with manual camera mode with P-TTL flash is the easiest way and you've automatic exposure because the flash does fills in the rest of the light you need so it's easy to use.

07-07-2012, 10:53 AM	#150
MrCynical Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 132	Originally posted by LeDave The K-5 is magnesium alloy, easier to access and change settings with more buttons, and top LCD. My K20D has the same construction as the K30 (polycarbonate shell over an alloy frame), and it's always seemed perfectly solid to me. I would probably miss the top LCD though. And the AF mode selector. And the metering mode selector.

Is K30 "better" then the K5?

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