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07-09-2012, 11:02 AM   #31
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QuoteOriginally posted by starbase218 Quote
On the K-5 you can switch between focus-select mode and function mode by holding the center button for about a second. I think it's probably his inexperience.
Can you expand on this a bit? I don't have a k-5 to play with ;x

For my k-x, that center button is depicted as the AF selector in my main screen. On the k-5, what is it as the default? And once you switch it between the focus-select mode and the function mode (what's the function mode?), does it switch back? And does it lock out any functions?

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QuoteOriginally posted by starbase218 Quote
Now the D7000 was more expensive when it was released, but the current prices are more or less equal. So still, at the end of the day, the same amount of money buys you a more precise AF system in an older body than you get with the Pentax K-30.
The D7000 AF also has its issues. Just check out the forum at DPR.
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QuoteOriginally posted by gebco Quote
The D7000 AF also has its issues. Just check out the forum at DPR.
Then perhaps Nikon should copy Hassy too
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hmm, everyone is entitled to negatively review stuff, but his just seemed more like a lack of experience than anything else. And loved the part about how he wonders why the 9 HUNDRED dollar K30 doesn't have True Focus like the 30 THOUSAND dollar Hasselblad...still waiting for a decent review.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Heie Quote
In case he deletes my comment, this is what I had to say about the review:

One issue I also have is your lack of ANY mentioning of focus peaking. In fact, I find this completely derelict of your duty as a reviewer and thus negligent. FP is an extremely useful tool, especially with the thousands of otherwise obsolete manual lenses available to the Pentax system by virtue of the system's legacy compatibility. No other camera of this class offers it (either the FP or the compatibility of all those lenses), and for you to completely neglect even mentioning such a thing (like a resurrected 50mm f/1.7 manual lens that is stabilized and has an accurate "auto focus" for under $50) demonstrates the lack of comprehensiveness of your efforts. And then to claim that because it isn't something you use thus doesn't deserve to be added to your review further chips away at your credibility and the ultimate usefulness of this "review."

Another issue I have is the lack of mentioning of the in-camera HDR processing. While a gimmick to some, it's especially useful for those of us who use HDR blending because of the expanded dynamic range it provides you. No other camera at this price point offers this (Nikon entry level cameras don't even offer *bracketing*), and for the traveler on the go and/or the RAW-averse, this is an extremely useful and unique capability that only Pentax offers. Even the most casual mentioning of this option (which many don't even know exist, especially new and uneducated consumers looking for their first camera - something you influence directly) would have sufficed.

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I agree with everything you wrote. Focus peaking is a great addition for this camera and i was very surprised to see zero mention of it. Pentax pride themselves on their legacy compatibility, but i get the feeling this reviewer is not aware of that fact or maybe he thinks older pentax glass is of poor quality due to its age (based on the Mark D II comment). I have a 50mm Pentax M f1.4, so FP is a real draw card for me.

Im also a big fan of HDR so im keen for more information around the in built system.

Ill wait for the Pentax Forum review as well as the dpreview results before making any conclusions about this camera. If those findings agree with these results then hes on the money.

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QuoteOriginally posted by JinDesu Quote
Can you expand on this a bit? I don't have a k-5 to play with ;x

For my k-x, that center button is depicted as the AF selector in my main screen. On the k-5, what is it as the default? And once you switch it between the focus-select mode and the function mode (what's the function mode?), does it switch back? And does it lock out any functions?
I don't know what you mean by AF selector, but the way it works on the K-5 is this: the four outer buttons on the four-way control pad are used either as direct access keys to WB, tone curve, drive mode and flash mode, or they are used to move the active AF point either to the left, right, top or bottom respectively. Switching between these two modes is done by holding down the inner (OK) button for about a second.

I actually don't know what the default is. When I turn the camera on, it will be in whatever mode it was when I turned it off. Usually I want that to be AF-point-select mode.

This is all assuming that the AF (I think the K-x has a menu setting for this) is actually in SEL mode. If it's not, you can't manually select a focus point anyway.


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The D7000 AF also has its issues. Just check out the forum at DPR.
I don't have enough experience with the D7000's AF, so I don't know how to value any comments related to its AF. But, granted, AF area size is not the only thing that matters, and maybe I should not have said that the same money buys you a better AF system with the D7000 ("better" being a subjective term as well). But still, the fact remains that Pentax's AF layout hasn't significantly changed since ages. The K100D Super I bought used in 2009 - an entry-level cam no less - had the same layout I still have on the K-5, with the same large focus areas. The same with the *Ist DS before that, and that camera is from 2005. So 7 years later we still have the same layout with the large focus areas, whereas other manufacturers have been changing their layouts to accommodate more and thus smaller points. So either Pentax came up with the perfect layout that didn't need any further improvement, and the other manufacturers have been wasting valuable time and resources, or for some reason they choose to neglect improving it. And I have to say, I'm not really buying the former.
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He seems like he lacks experience with cameras beyond a certain range of uses and situations, and the K-30 AF annoyed him because it didn't conform to how he generally uses AF.

That's fine. Nothing to get too upset about. Especially since he liked it a lot despite not being as comfortable with it as a SAFOX-veteran Pentax user would be. That to me is a good sign, as somebody who picks it up for the first time and isn't familiar with it may come at it from the same perspective.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ryan Trevisol Quote
I hope PF's review tackles the Low-Tungsten-Light issue, with a comparison to the K-5 for the sake of everyone on here who's hinging their purchase decision on that factor.
This may not be precisely what you want, but there are two tungsten and two fluorescent test images in this new ePhotozine article (it is not a review). There are no K-5 comparison shots, though.

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He seems like he lacks experience with cameras beyond a certain range of uses and situations, and the K-30 AF annoyed him because it didn't conform to how he generally uses AF.
Errr... point it so the active area is over what you want to focus on, making sure that that has enough contrast, half-press the shutter and wait for the beep?
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He seems to be an ambitious city slicker who talks up a storm to look like he knows and is in control of his destiny (basically, a jerk). the style is purposely snappy, sardonic, even sarcastic if he was allowed to get away with it. The review is for those who are pushy with attitude (but, oh, don't ever blame them for anything for they will never take responsibility for their lack of "professionalism"). Even the word "professional" is completely different in meaning - it now means, "If you can't keep up with my attitude, then YOU are not professional like me". Somebody said it rightly, still waiting for a decent review.


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QuoteOriginally posted by starbase218 Quote
I don't know what you mean by AF selector, but the way it works on the K-5 is this: the four outer buttons on the four-way control pad are used either as direct access keys to WB, tone curve, drive mode and flash mode, or they are used to move the active AF point either to the left, right, top or bottom respectively. Switching between these two modes is done by holding down the inner (OK) button for about a second.

I actually don't know what the default is. When I turn the camera on, it will be in whatever mode it was when I turned it off. Usually I want that to be AF-point-select mode.
This is also how my K-30 is, he is just too inexperienced or never bothered to look at the manual to find an answer.

OK button does double duty, no big deal.


Oh, and I also put up a quickie AF under Tungsten test for all you rabid savages. Probably not up to snuff but hey at least i'm trying

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I don't understand his comments re aperture selection in video mode. Surely you can select the aperture? He must mean you can't select the aperture while filming (which I wouldn't want to do anyway!) What does he mean by

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only the shutter speed and ISO can be adjusted: not the aperture. Thatís a big problem; and instead I would probably opt for third party glass in this case.
What difference would third party glass make?
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QuoteOriginally posted by ihasa Quote
I don't understand his comments re aperture selection in video mode. Surely you can select the aperture? He must mean you can't select the aperture while filming (which I wouldn't want to do anyway!) What does he mean by

What difference would third party glass make?
Yes you can select aperture prior to starting filming, and indeed during also if you have an external aperture ring (as i've noted down in his comments section).

Maybe his comment re 3rd party glass is so you would have aperture ring?? but not many if any these days still have them sooo ... maybe he just means another brand of camera.
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Cool, thanks.
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QuoteOriginally posted by starbase218 Quote
Errr... point it so the active area is over what you want to focus on, making sure that that has enough contrast, half-press the shutter and wait for the beep?
I meant more focus points. Still I'm not really sure what he's complaining about, but I was trying to see it from his point of view.
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