Originally posted by dakight I don't see any differences that can't be addressed in post processing; that is, after all, what it's for. I understand that isn't the answer the OP wants, but it's the only one I can give. If you want a point and shoot camera that makes no demands beyond the initial image acquisition then choose and use the one that works best for that purpose. Pentax won't stack up in that contest because that's not what it's intended to do. A skilled workman with use all the tools and techniques at his/her disposal to produce quality results.
Yes, as I stated in the opening post, I am very aware of the many things that can be done in post processing. Nevertheless, the K-50 has many neat effects that can be done in camera, both during and after exposure, that are meant to supplement or mitigate the need to do PP to get an interesting and fun effect. I am simply trying to emulate a similar but different effect I have on my Sony on the Pentax, just for fun and curiosity as well. Thanks for your comments, though, and what you said is entirely true.
But I hope that my search for an in-camera effect didn't give you the impression that I only want techniques that "make no demands," or that I am not "a skilled workman!" I've been an avid photographer for nearly 50 years, using many film formats and now digital, developing and printing in B&W, color slides & prints, with a range of film formats and equipment. I've been a Pentax photographer probably longer than many of those here on the forum have been around. I still own and use the Spotmatic I got in 1970. So yes, I know when to chose a point and shoot camera - that was not the intent of my question.
You also suggested turning off noise control and using a high ISO to emulate Tri-X, I'll have to try that, thanks.
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Originally posted by Rondec These just don't seem to be the sort of photos where you need HDR. They look about the same to me, but that's probably because the dynamic range isn't that big in the photos as a whole. It would be more interesting to compare photos of say, a sunrise, where the dynamic range is a lot larger.
Good idea, I'll try to make some experiments with a subject of greater dynamic range. The shots above were just quick tests as I thought of trying this around the house at night.
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Originally posted by severalsnakes It looks like the Pentax is doing its "job" on the highlights in the image, whereas the Sony is leaving the highlights untouched. HDR brings up your shadows and brings down your highlights, creating an image that is "flat", which I do not prefer. What I'm seeing in the Sony images is more of a High Dynamic CONTRAST rather than a High Dynamic RANGE. As I mentioned before, if I were looking to achieve the result you seem to desire, I'd do it with infinitely more control in Lightroom or some other post processing software.
Good point, and I agree the Sony shots certainly have more contrast, but I was unable to get near that effect by turning up contrast on the Pentax B&W settings. Yet Sony certainly uses some type of HDR in generating the rich tone monochrome, it is taking 3 to 6 shots for each exposure. As to PP, I do have LR but I'm just learning to use it, have more experience with PS Elements.
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Originally posted by Doundounba OP: you say you played with sharpness and contrast in the regular B&W mode, but not with "Toning"... You're trying to emulate a mode called "Rich Tone", right? So maybe pump "Toning" up? If I were you, I might also try to dial in some amount of exposure comp (both for your regular and HDR shots), maybe 0.3 or 0.7 eV, to see if it helps. In my experience, Pentax cameras expose very conservatively, and that can make the image look a little dull SOOC (but is a super easy adjustment in post). As to HDR, tripod is good, or really make sure you're very stable, because in my experience, the Pentax algorithm isn't super strong at aligning the shots...
Good idea, I'll try adding a higher exposure bias on the next experiments, that might make the difference right there as I think the Pentax generally underexposes vs. the Sony (I've read this is intentional and a good idea as it avoids blown highlights).
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Originally posted by Doundounba Well, tried Toning and it's probably not what the OP wanted... But I just realized that there's also the Bold Monochrome digital filter that might be worth a shot, and can be combined with different color profiles (but it's pretty, well, bold). There's certainly a ton of customization you can make on your SOOC JPGs...
Not sure what the Bold Monochrome digital filter is - I see a Monochrome "Custom Image effect" and a High Contrast digital filter effect, but I don't see a bold monochrome listed in the manual - at least not for the K-50 which is the only digital Pentax I have. Are you using something different?
A general comment for all of you - thanks very much for your suggestions and putting some effort into helping me, I appreciate it.