The K-30 Black frame possible FIX!

nucleon · 11-10-2015, 09:30 PM

So far after one hour power OFF the turn ON camera works normally: NO BLACK FRAMES.

My K-30 firmware was; Ver: 1.06.

I have downloaded a new firmware Ver: 1.06 on a formatted SD card and reinstalled Ver: 1.06 following the Ricoh instructions.

Turned the camera ON and NO BLACK FRAMES!

Turned camera OFF for 15 minutes then turned ON - NO BLACK FRAMES.

Turned camera OFF again for 30 minutes then turned ON - NO BLACK FRAMES.

Turned camera OFF for an hour then turned camera ON - NO BLACK FRAMES.

It looks like the previously installed firmware corrupted while using the camera.

My next wait would be TWO hours 10:20 PM PST.

Before reinstalling Ver: 1.06 the black framed were after each camera OFF.

TRY IT.

Leo

stillshot2 · 11-10-2015, 09:41 PM

My K30 experienced a black frame the other day. The lens cap was still on

nucleon · 11-11-2015, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by nucleon

So far after one hour power OFF the turn ON camera works normally: NO BLACK FRAMES.

My K-30 firmware was; Ver: 1.06.

I have downloaded a new firmware Ver: 1.06 on a formatted SD card and reinstalled Ver: 1.06 following the Ricoh instructions.

Turned the camera ON and NO BLACK FRAMES!

Turned camera OFF for 15 minutes then turned ON - NO BLACK FRAMES.

Turned camera OFF again for 30 minutes then turned ON - NO BLACK FRAMES.

Turned camera OFF for an hour then turned camera ON - NO BLACK FRAMES.

It looks like the previously installed firmware corrupted while using the camera.

My next wait would be TWO hours 10:20 PM PST.

Before reinstalling Ver: 1.06 the black framed were after each camera OFF.

TRY IT.

Leo

The next day the Black Frame is back. I gave up. The only options K-50 or K-S2 or K-3....
Leo

**clackers** · 11-11-2015, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by nucleon

TRY IT.

Leo

Sorry, Leo - I have a K-30, and it doesn't have this problem.

joebob · 11-12-2015, 09:50 AM

Neither does mine -- yet.

grcolts · 11-16-2015, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by nucleon

The next day the Black Frame is back. I gave up. The only options K-50 or K-S2 or K-3....
Leo

Leo, I had my K50 do the same thing as your K30. I don't know if this is a widespread problem with the K50 but I bet the K30 and K50 are basically the same inside. My K50 only did it once and went away. It did make me nervous of taking only this camera out into the field though not knowing if and when it would rear its ugly head again. Anyone else who shoots with the k50 had this problem? Curious minds would like to know!

GR

bertwert · 11-16-2015, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by grcolts

Leo, I had my K50 do the same thing as your K30. I don't know if this is a widespread problem with the K50 but I bet the K30 and K50 are basically the same inside. My K50 only did it once and went away. It did make me nervous of taking only this camera out into the field though not knowing if and when it would rear its ugly head again. Anyone else who shoots with the k50 had this problem? Curious minds would like to know!

GR

Never had this problem, about 5000 shutter clicks.

nucleon · 11-18-2015, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by bertwert

Never had this problem, about 5000 shutter clicks.

My K-30 number of shutter clicks is around 35,000.
Leo

---------- Post added 11-19-15 at 12:49 AM ----------

Originally posted by grcolts

Leo, I had my K50 do the same thing as your K30. I don't know if this is a widespread problem with the K50 but I bet the K30 and K50 are basically the same inside. My K50 only did it once and went away. It did make me nervous of taking only this camera out into the field though not knowing if and when it would rear its ugly head again. Anyone else who shoots with the k50 had this problem? Curious minds would like to know!

GR

Sorry to hear it. The only excuse (at least for me) I have got what I paid for. :-(
Leo

nucleon · 11-19-2015, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by grcolts

Leo, I had my K50 do the same thing as your K30. I don't know if this is a widespread problem with the K50 but I bet the K30 and K50 are basically the same inside. My K50 only did it once and went away. It did make me nervous of taking only this camera out into the field though not knowing if and when it would rear its ugly head again. Anyone else who shoots with the k50 had this problem? Curious minds would like to know!

GR

I have switch my failed K-30 to the manual aperture with AF lenses. I will avoid setting the aperture to A.

No more Black Frames.

The second Pentax for Aperture adjusted in the camera.

Leo

Hinomaru · 11-19-2015, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by grcolts

Leo, I had my K50 do the same thing as your K30. I don't know if this is a widespread problem with the K50 but I bet the K30 and K50 are basically the same inside. My K50 only did it once and went away. It did make me nervous of taking only this camera out into the field though not knowing if and when it would rear its ugly head again. Anyone else who shoots with the k50 had this problem? Curious minds would like to know!

GR

Yes, my K50 had the same issue and I sent it out for repair under warranty - mine was only 8 months from purchase and had low shutter count. The problem is aperture lever failure - the invoice says Diaphragm Control Block was replaced.

Rick

richandfleur · 11-29-2015, 07:15 PM

Yep, failing aperture motor. Did the same on mine.

Sorry, but any fix you manage to find will be temporary. It's a crappy component that needs to be replaced.
Ideally it fails early on, so you can catch it early on.

Affects the ability to set the lens to the correct aperture and that flows onto metering problems, which produces black or white frames.
You'll have no issues at all on a lens where you manually fix the aperture ring, as you're then not asking the camera to do any aperture setting itself.

Backo1 · 01-11-2016, 02:12 PM

Same problem here. Just brought the camera to official service repair, still waiting for a call. From what I read the repair would be at least 200usd. Is it worth? With so many people having the same problem with their k-30 and obvious engineering/manufacturing defect how is PENTAX/RICOH expecting to have satisfied customers???

Yeah... I have a brand new (7000 shots) Pentax but it has a defect that I have to pay for... but sure... i recommend to all my friends to buy Pentax...

richandfleur · 01-11-2016, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by Backo1

Yeah... I have a brand new (7000 shots) Pentax but it has a defect that I have to pay for... but sure... i recommend to all my friends to buy Pentax...

Yep, that's the issue. If they'd all failed at once it would have demanded a stronger response, but they're happy to let it float over time out of warranty.
It's a pretty poor response now the failures are really ramping up.

Fine if you want to manually set the aperture yourself, on lenses with a manual aperture ring where this is still possible...

nucleon · 01-17-2016, 09:55 AM

A Radical Fix:
I have purchased K-S2 ....so far no black frames :-)
Leo

androjoker · 01-19-2016, 06:26 AM

Originally posted by nucleon

A Radical Fix:
I have purchased K-S2 ....so far no black frames :-)
Leo

I was thinking about k-s2 too, But I spent about 500 euros two years ago to buy my k-30.
But I'm disappointed in Pentax and I'm also thinking about selling Pentax lenses and going to a mirrorless system, like Fuji or Olympus.

11-10-2015, 09:30 PM	#1
nucleon Forum Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 58	The K-30 Black frame possible FIX! So far after one hour power OFF the turn ON camera works normally: NO BLACK FRAMES. My K-30 firmware was; Ver: 1.06. I have downloaded a new firmware Ver: 1.06 on a formatted SD card and reinstalled Ver: 1.06 following the Ricoh instructions. Turned the camera ON and NO BLACK FRAMES! Turned camera OFF for 15 minutes then turned ON - NO BLACK FRAMES. Turned camera OFF again for 30 minutes then turned ON - NO BLACK FRAMES. Turned camera OFF for an hour then turned camera ON - NO BLACK FRAMES. It looks like the previously installed firmware corrupted while using the camera. My next wait would be TWO hours 10:20 PM PST. Before reinstalling Ver: 1.06 the black framed were after each camera OFF. TRY IT. Leo

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11-10-2015, 09:41 PM	#2
stillshot2 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Phoenix, AZ Photos: Albums Posts: 1,070	My K30 experienced a black frame the other day. The lens cap was still on

11-11-2015, 05:03 PM	#3
nucleon Forum Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 58 Original Poster	Originally posted by nucleon So far after one hour power OFF the turn ON camera works normally: NO BLACK FRAMES. My K-30 firmware was; Ver: 1.06. I have downloaded a new firmware Ver: 1.06 on a formatted SD card and reinstalled Ver: 1.06 following the Ricoh instructions. Turned the camera ON and NO BLACK FRAMES! Turned camera OFF for 15 minutes then turned ON - NO BLACK FRAMES. Turned camera OFF again for 30 minutes then turned ON - NO BLACK FRAMES. Turned camera OFF for an hour then turned camera ON - NO BLACK FRAMES. It looks like the previously installed firmware corrupted while using the camera. My next wait would be TWO hours 10:20 PM PST. Before reinstalling Ver: 1.06 the black framed were after each camera OFF. TRY IT. Leo The next day the Black Frame is back. I gave up. The only options K-50 or K-S2 or K-3.... Leo

11-11-2015, 06:22 PM	#4
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by nucleon TRY IT. Leo Sorry, Leo - I have a K-30, and it doesn't have this problem.

11-12-2015, 09:50 AM	#5
joebob Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Massachusetts Photos: Gallery Posts: 184	Neither does mine -- yet.

11-16-2015, 09:30 AM	#6
grcolts Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 70	Originally posted by nucleon The next day the Black Frame is back. I gave up. The only options K-50 or K-S2 or K-3.... Leo Leo, I had my K50 do the same thing as your K30. I don't know if this is a widespread problem with the K50 but I bet the K30 and K50 are basically the same inside. My K50 only did it once and went away. It did make me nervous of taking only this camera out into the field though not knowing if and when it would rear its ugly head again. Anyone else who shoots with the k50 had this problem? Curious minds would like to know! GR

11-16-2015, 09:32 AM	#7
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by grcolts Leo, I had my K50 do the same thing as your K30. I don't know if this is a widespread problem with the K50 but I bet the K30 and K50 are basically the same inside. My K50 only did it once and went away. It did make me nervous of taking only this camera out into the field though not knowing if and when it would rear its ugly head again. Anyone else who shoots with the k50 had this problem? Curious minds would like to know! GR Never had this problem, about 5000 shutter clicks.

11-18-2015, 11:47 PM	#8
nucleon Forum Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 58 Original Poster	Originally posted by bertwert Never had this problem, about 5000 shutter clicks. My K-30 number of shutter clicks is around 35,000. Leo ---------- Post added 11-19-15 at 12:49 AM ---------- Originally posted by grcolts Leo, I had my K50 do the same thing as your K30. I don't know if this is a widespread problem with the K50 but I bet the K30 and K50 are basically the same inside. My K50 only did it once and went away. It did make me nervous of taking only this camera out into the field though not knowing if and when it would rear its ugly head again. Anyone else who shoots with the k50 had this problem? Curious minds would like to know! GR Sorry to hear it. The only excuse (at least for me) I have got what I paid for. :-( Leo

11-19-2015, 12:18 PM	#9
nucleon Forum Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 58 Original Poster	Originally posted by grcolts Leo, I had my K50 do the same thing as your K30. I don't know if this is a widespread problem with the K50 but I bet the K30 and K50 are basically the same inside. My K50 only did it once and went away. It did make me nervous of taking only this camera out into the field though not knowing if and when it would rear its ugly head again. Anyone else who shoots with the k50 had this problem? Curious minds would like to know! GR I have switch my failed K-30 to the manual aperture with AF lenses. I will avoid setting the aperture to A. No more Black Frames. The second Pentax for Aperture adjusted in the camera. Leo

11-19-2015, 07:32 PM	#10
Hinomaru Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Silicon Valley California Photos: Gallery Posts: 122	Originally posted by grcolts Leo, I had my K50 do the same thing as your K30. I don't know if this is a widespread problem with the K50 but I bet the K30 and K50 are basically the same inside. My K50 only did it once and went away. It did make me nervous of taking only this camera out into the field though not knowing if and when it would rear its ugly head again. Anyone else who shoots with the k50 had this problem? Curious minds would like to know! GR Yes, my K50 had the same issue and I sent it out for repair under warranty - mine was only 8 months from purchase and had low shutter count. The problem is aperture lever failure - the invoice says Diaphragm Control Block was replaced. Rick

11-29-2015, 07:15 PM	#11
richandfleur Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Palmerston North, New Zealand Photos: Albums Posts: 1,788	Yep, failing aperture motor. Did the same on mine. Sorry, but any fix you manage to find will be temporary. It's a crappy component that needs to be replaced. Ideally it fails early on, so you can catch it early on. Affects the ability to set the lens to the correct aperture and that flows onto metering problems, which produces black or white frames. You'll have no issues at all on a lens where you manually fix the aperture ring, as you're then not asking the camera to do any aperture setting itself.

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01-11-2016, 02:12 PM	#12
Backo1 New Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 5	Same problem here. Just brought the camera to official service repair, still waiting for a call. From what I read the repair would be at least 200usd. Is it worth? With so many people having the same problem with their k-30 and obvious engineering/manufacturing defect how is PENTAX/RICOH expecting to have satisfied customers??? Yeah... I have a brand new (7000 shots) Pentax but it has a defect that I have to pay for... but sure... i recommend to all my friends to buy Pentax...

01-11-2016, 03:56 PM	#13
richandfleur Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Palmerston North, New Zealand Photos: Albums Posts: 1,788	Originally posted by Backo1 Yeah... I have a brand new (7000 shots) Pentax but it has a defect that I have to pay for... but sure... i recommend to all my friends to buy Pentax... Yep, that's the issue. If they'd all failed at once it would have demanded a stronger response, but they're happy to let it float over time out of warranty. It's a pretty poor response now the failures are really ramping up. Fine if you want to manually set the aperture yourself, on lenses with a manual aperture ring where this is still possible...

01-17-2016, 09:55 AM	#14
nucleon Forum Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 58 Original Poster	A Radical Fix: I have purchased K-S2 ....so far no black frames :-) Leo

01-19-2016, 06:26 AM	#15
androjoker New Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 6	Originally posted by nucleon A Radical Fix: I have purchased K-S2 ....so far no black frames :-) Leo I was thinking about k-s2 too, But I spent about 500 euros two years ago to buy my k-30. But I'm disappointed in Pentax and I'm also thinking about selling Pentax lenses and going to a mirrorless system, like Fuji or Olympus.