Originally posted by vladmoll hi
when black picture started with my K 30, I opened and sanded the horse shoe. The problem dissappeared. After 6 months, the problem started again. Lens is on f 22. Then i pulled out the solenoid from mz 50 and change against green chinese. 2 or 3 days this worked perfect. then aperture mechanism stuck, and lens now is minimum f number. when i take off lens and shoot 1 or 2 thimes without lens, i don't have the aperture issue. Put on camera again lens and everything is normal. But after 10 or 50 shoot the problem starts again. aperture stock and lock minimal f number.
is it common problem with pentax camera? maybe magnet solenoid is bad and dont work all the time.
what i shood to do?
The magnet itself will not be the problem. I have read that one person once had a white solenoid with the magnet inserted the wrong way round, i.e. wrong polarisation, but this would not be the problem here.
I got once a K30 with a higher shuttercount for repair: The solenoid had failed but the owner had already tried continuous shooting. After a while (of course) the problem reappeared. Further damage was done and replacing the solenoid did not solve the problem.
This K30 was then for spare parts only. Replacing the complete aperture module is too expensive (about $ 250 including parts and work).
A few times it was warned, that taking the easy option of just sanding the horseshoe is not the way to go.
That this will cause further damage!
We have also heard, that contiuous shooting does sometimes release the horseshoe but will cause for sure further damage!
So this "could" be your problem.
I don't think it is a bad soldering joint, because your K30 seems to work well with the F35-70 lens:
Originally posted by vladmoll I changed the complete solenoid which is white.
I found that camera work good with lense F 35-70, worse with FA 28-105, but with Sigma 17-70 very bad. I can't figure..
I think there is further damage, it looks like it is this small motor itself which you can see on the photo left side.
As far as I understand it and please anybody correct me here if I am wrong:
The aperture mechanism is not just the solenoid, but there is this motor included.
My guess is that this motor (or other parts?) get damaged of one tries to release the horseshoe via continuous shooting.
The Sigma lens is a large 72mm lens, i.e. inside it has much larger and thus heavier aperture blades! So more mass to be moved, more friction, the F35-70 has just 49mm, the FA28-105 just 58mm. This might explain why your camera works with the F35-70 and open i.e. no lens attached: No friction, no mass.
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Originally posted by TV95 Did you also replace the solenoid from the mz50? Or only the magnet? Because it is known that only changing the magnet does not work, you should replace the magnet and the solenoid.
This can be misleading:
The solenoid itself is an electro-magnet with an inserted quite strong tiny permanent magnet (top of the solenoid), I marked it
red on the attached photo.
The horseshoe at the bottom of the solenoid itself is not a magnet but made out of magnetic material!
When the shuttermechanism comes into action, for a short moment some voltage is applied to the two coils of the solenoid (which make the electro-magnet part!) This electro-magnetic power then counteracts the power of the permanent magnet and releases the horse-shoe.
What people often do due to those videos in the web is that they just sand the corners of the horseshoe to reduce friction. Not recommended!