Interview with Hiroshi Onoda. Manager of Pentax Europe.

falconeye · 05-07-2010, 04:08 AM

Originally posted by Supernaut

Isn't this strange if a FF is in the pipeline? More pro-glass for crop sensors is not logical for me if the future pro body will be FF.

Yes and no.
The 8-14mm rectilinear range is the only one which cannot be served with DFA lenses and so, this would remain a visible gap if not filled soon. And the large APSC flange distance makes 10-16 the closest thing. Otherwise, it's just a rumor

ogl · 05-07-2010, 04:46 AM

If FF camera will be out, only one new tele-lens will be launched first.

FA31, FA43 and FA77 will be the main lenses for FF camera. (and DFA100 macro

)) I think FA LIMITED in new body with WR.
Is it strange? Yes. But new FF lenses will be later.

You can choose yourself - trust me or not.

P.S. 10-16/4 - APS-C IMO not FF

lithos · 05-07-2010, 05:12 AM

Well, if they wanna go pro, they'll need a (decent) set of f2.8 zooms.

And I'm thinking, oh, an...let me pull some numbers out of somewhere: an...f2.1...137mm Limited.

ogl · 05-07-2010, 05:13 AM

Remark: It's hard to buy K-7 in Russia now. Some users have been waiting for 2 months.
Only by order. Maybe new upgraded K-7 is close?

ogl · 05-07-2010, 05:14 AM

Originally posted by lithos

Well, if they wanna go pro, they'll need a (decent) set of f2.8 zooms.

And I'm thinking, oh, an...let me pull some numbers out of somewhere: an...f2.1...137mm Limited.

It's logical. But...The time will answer. Pentax is very slow in making new high class zoom lenses. Remember DA*60-250.

Supernaut · 05-07-2010, 05:25 AM

Originally posted by ogl

It's logical. But...The time will answer. Pentax is very slow in making new high class zoom lenses. Remember DA*60-250.

Yes but the most critical length (24-70/70-200) was rather early filled with the DA* 16-50/50-135

Well, time will tel as you say. I'm prepared to be disappointed

**Rondec** · 05-07-2010, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by ogl

It's logical. But...The time will answer. Pentax is very slow in making new high class zoom lenses. Remember DA*60-250.

Yes, but that was starting from scratch. The existing models of the FA 80-200 f2.8 and FA 28-70 could certainly be modified slightly with different coatings to work well with digital. Start with a screw driven lens and then transition to a fully sealed ring driven lens? The DA *200 is an example of a simple update of an old design (unlike the 60-250 which was a completely brand new design).

gazonk · 05-07-2010, 05:43 AM

Originally posted by ogl

If FF camera will be out, only one new tele-lens will be launched first.

FA31, FA43 and FA77 will be the main lenses for FF camera. (and DFA100 macro

)) I think FA LIMITED in new body with WR.
Is it strange? Yes. But new FF lenses will be later.

You can choose yourself - trust me or not.

P.S. 10-16/4 - APS-C IMO not FF

It's hard to imagine that they would introduce that without at least one "kit zoom" option. But I don't think it would take them too much effort to provide a slightly reworked and WRed (and less plastic) version of one of their FF standard zooms. The smc PENTAX-FA 28mm-105mm F3.2-F4.5 AL [IF] hasn't even been discontinued in Japan!

ilya80 · 05-07-2010, 05:57 AM

Anyone who has posted arguments for either side, please leave your choice in this thread

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/off-brand-camera-discussion-canon-nikon-e...me-exodus.html

If you`re planning to switch / add new system, please state it in reply, I`m planning to keep track of those of us who are actually bothered.

Kenn100D · 05-07-2010, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by blende8

Couldn't you ask him to be a bit more specific about what "update" means"? Sounds like no new sensor, just some new gimmicks.
Nothing about a "higher" model?

@blende,

I'll ask him more later about the what's in store this summer. Currently i'll be on vacation leaving Malta (Too much work here and i miss my Family).

**jhaji** · 05-07-2010, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by falconeye

In summary IMHO, there is 2:1 evidence he mentioned a camera above APS-C.

I agree. He says "Right now our strategic priority is to complete as soon as possible range of Pentax SLR." How can it be complete without an FF.

turbosaturn · 05-07-2010, 10:38 PM

It seems that the k-x might be both a blessing and a curse to Pentax. On one hand, it gives Pentax the brand recognition to starting photographers. But on the other hand, with a camera with an image quality that performs that well, Pentax would be under the pressure to produce the next flagship camera that would have an image quality that is at least as good as the K-x, and perform better than the K7.

asw66 · 05-08-2010, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by turbosaturn

It seems that the k-x might be both a blessing and a curse to Pentax. On one hand, it gives Pentax the brand recognition to starting photographers. But on the other hand, with a camera with an image quality that performs that well, Pentax would be under the pressure to produce the next flagship camera that would have an image quality that is at least as good as the K-x, and perform better than the K7.

My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) is that the sensor in the Kx is already available in some other cameras, but the Kx manages to extract superior high-ISO performance from it, compared to those other implementations.

So I read this as suggesting that Pentax engineers have gotten better at making use of the data coming from the sensor, which is in turn a very good thing for the entire product line.

ogl · 05-08-2010, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by asw66

My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) is that the sensor in the Kx is already available in some other cameras, but the Kx manages to extract superior high-ISO performance from it, compared to those other implementations.

D5000 and D90 are not worse than K-x.

youky63 · 05-08-2010, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by ogl

D5000 and D90 are not worse than K-x.

They are using the same sensor than K-x, as Alpha 500 and D300...

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05-07-2010, 04:08 AM	#166
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by Supernaut Isn't this strange if a FF is in the pipeline? More pro-glass for crop sensors is not logical for me if the future pro body will be FF. Yes and no. The 8-14mm rectilinear range is the only one which cannot be served with DFA lenses and so, this would remain a visible gap if not filled soon. And the large APSC flange distance makes 10-16 the closest thing. Otherwise, it's just a rumor

05-07-2010, 04:46 AM	#167
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	If FF camera will be out, only one new tele-lens will be launched first. FA31, FA43 and FA77 will be the main lenses for FF camera. (and DFA100 macro )) I think FA LIMITED in new body with WR. Is it strange? Yes. But new FF lenses will be later. You can choose yourself - trust me or not. P.S. 10-16/4 - APS-C IMO not FF

05-07-2010, 05:12 AM	#168
lithos Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Brisbane, QLD, AUS Posts: 3,261	Well, if they wanna go pro, they'll need a (decent) set of f2.8 zooms. And I'm thinking, oh, an...let me pull some numbers out of somewhere: an...f2.1...137mm Limited.

05-07-2010, 05:13 AM	#169
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Remark: It's hard to buy K-7 in Russia now. Some users have been waiting for 2 months. Only by order. Maybe new upgraded K-7 is close?

05-07-2010, 05:14 AM	#170
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by lithos Well, if they wanna go pro, they'll need a (decent) set of f2.8 zooms. And I'm thinking, oh, an...let me pull some numbers out of somewhere: an...f2.1...137mm Limited. It's logical. But...The time will answer. Pentax is very slow in making new high class zoom lenses. Remember DA*60-250.

05-07-2010, 05:25 AM	#171
Supernaut Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: West Coast , Sweden Posts: 467	Originally posted by ogl It's logical. But...The time will answer. Pentax is very slow in making new high class zoom lenses. Remember DA60-250. Yes but the most critical length (24-70/70-200) was rather early filled with the DA 16-50/50-135 Well, time will tel as you say. I'm prepared to be disappointed

05-07-2010, 05:27 AM	#172
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	Originally posted by ogl It's logical. But...The time will answer. Pentax is very slow in making new high class zoom lenses. Remember DA60-250. Yes, but that was starting from scratch. The existing models of the FA 80-200 f2.8 and FA 28-70 could certainly be modified slightly with different coatings to work well with digital. Start with a screw driven lens and then transition to a fully sealed ring driven lens? The DA 200 is an example of a simple update of an old design (unlike the 60-250 which was a completely brand new design).

05-07-2010, 05:43 AM	#173
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by ogl If FF camera will be out, only one new tele-lens will be launched first. FA31, FA43 and FA77 will be the main lenses for FF camera. (and DFA100 macro )) I think FA LIMITED in new body with WR. Is it strange? Yes. But new FF lenses will be later. You can choose yourself - trust me or not. P.S. 10-16/4 - APS-C IMO not FF It's hard to imagine that they would introduce that without at least one "kit zoom" option. But I don't think it would take them too much effort to provide a slightly reworked and WRed (and less plastic) version of one of their FF standard zooms. The smc PENTAX-FA 28mm-105mm F3.2-F4.5 AL [IF] hasn't even been discontinued in Japan!

05-07-2010, 05:57 AM	#174
ilya80 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Saint-Petersburg, Russia Photos: Albums Posts: 410	Anyone who has posted arguments for either side, please leave your choice in this thread https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/off-brand-camera-discussion-canon-nikon-e...me-exodus.html If you`re planning to switch / add new system, please state it in reply, I`m planning to keep track of those of us who are actually bothered.

05-07-2010, 02:06 PM	#175
Kenn100D Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Paranaque City, Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 697	Originally posted by blende8 Couldn't you ask him to be a bit more specific about what "update" means"? Sounds like no new sensor, just some new gimmicks. Nothing about a "higher" model? @blende, I'll ask him more later about the what's in store this summer. Currently i'll be on vacation leaving Malta (Too much work here and i miss my Family).

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05-07-2010, 03:16 PM	#176
jhaji Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,141	Originally posted by falconeye In summary IMHO, there is 2:1 evidence he mentioned a camera above APS-C. I agree. He says "Right now our strategic priority is to complete as soon as possible range of Pentax SLR." How can it be complete without an FF.

05-07-2010, 10:38 PM	#177
turbosaturn Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 75	It seems that the k-x might be both a blessing and a curse to Pentax. On one hand, it gives Pentax the brand recognition to starting photographers. But on the other hand, with a camera with an image quality that performs that well, Pentax would be under the pressure to produce the next flagship camera that would have an image quality that is at least as good as the K-x, and perform better than the K7.

05-08-2010, 12:00 AM	#178
asw66 Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 347	Originally posted by turbosaturn It seems that the k-x might be both a blessing and a curse to Pentax. On one hand, it gives Pentax the brand recognition to starting photographers. But on the other hand, with a camera with an image quality that performs that well, Pentax would be under the pressure to produce the next flagship camera that would have an image quality that is at least as good as the K-x, and perform better than the K7. My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) is that the sensor in the Kx is already available in some other cameras, but the Kx manages to extract superior high-ISO performance from it, compared to those other implementations. So I read this as suggesting that Pentax engineers have gotten better at making use of the data coming from the sensor, which is in turn a very good thing for the entire product line.

05-08-2010, 12:12 AM	#179
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by asw66 My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) is that the sensor in the Kx is already available in some other cameras, but the Kx manages to extract superior high-ISO performance from it, compared to those other implementations. D5000 and D90 are not worse than K-x.

05-08-2010, 12:35 AM	#180
youky63 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Osaka Posts: 143	Originally posted by ogl D5000 and D90 are not worse than K-x. They are using the same sensor than K-x, as Alpha 500 and D300...