Originally posted by Angevinn Why so many star lenses? Pentax' standard lenses are very good.
Pentax does not have any "standard lens" for 24x36 in production, except the FA 50 f/1.4, and the D FA 50 and 100 Macro. This means that Pentax needs to make new lenses for 24x36. Why Star? Because those that is in the market for such an expensive camera as 24x36 digital cameras are, also want the best lenses for it. That is why it is so important to bring out new D FA Star lenses. Releasing a 24x36 digital at pro price with consumer oriented 24x36 lenses, is a clear mismatch.
Quote: Sony already has a FF Shake Reduction System.
But the Sony mount is not the Pentax K-mount.
Different image circles, different diameter of the mount, different registration distance and so on.
Quote: The Patent application that Youky63 posted a week or two ago from Pentax is a FF Shake Reduction system.
Implementing it means a big 24x36 body. Would the Pentax community accept a 24x36 body as big as the competition? I don't believe so. By moving SR system to the lens, Pentax can shrink the size of the 24x36 body.
And Pentax has had patents for optical SR systems since the 80's.
The Nikon and Canon solutions are based in parts on original Pentax patents.
Quote: How many lenses did Pentax launch their first DSLR the *ist with? I believe it was three DA lenses.
The *ist D was released with the FA J 18-35, D FA 50 and D FA 100. The DA 16-45 f/4 then followed early.
But Pentax still had many 24x36 lenses in production at that time that could be used with the *ist D! So *ist D was a camera released with many lenses.
Not so today.
Most of Pentax 24x36 lenses are out of production.
Pentax currently only makes the FA 50 f/1.4 plus the FA Limiteds and the D FA 50 and 100.
The DA lenses are for APS-C, not 24x36.
So the situation is different today compared to when the *ist D was released. When *ist D was released, Pentax had many lenses in production that the *ist D could use. *ist D was a camera with lenses.
Releasing a 24x36 body today means extremely few lenses available for it from Pentax. That is why Pentax needs to make new D FA lenses covering wide angle to tele. It is like building up from zero.
Canon, Nikon and Sony has had an easier time for 24x36 digital because they never showed comitment to APS-C digital. Pentax has released more APS-C lenses than any other maker. Nikon, Canon and Sony has lots of 24x36 lenses as "leftovers" from the 24x36 film.
So a new 24x36 digital without lenses to compete with other digital 24x36 system with much much more lenses? Who will buy the Pentax?
Quote: There have been no new DA lenses in a while. The lens plant does not sit idle daily.
The lens plants (they are two) are busy producing the current DA, DA Limiteds and D FA lenses, and the occasional FA lens. Pentax closed down it's Japanese lens production and moved everything to Vietnam. Of course the lens plants in Vietnam are producing lenses. It is not so that all Pentax lenses are out of stock and none is produced.
Quote: There have been no new DA lenses since 2009, Pentax still supports DA by manufacturing cameras like the K-X and K-7.
So? Do you believe Pentax just made a batch of them and then the lens plants has done nothing since 2009? Let me tell you this, which may surprise you - most of the DA lenses are in constant production. This means Pentax makes thousands and thousands of them every month!
Quote: This makes no sense. Pentax (a fine lens manufacturer) now owned by Hoya (one of the world's largest optical glass manufacturers and extremely profitable) needing outside support?
Yes, because Pentax has closed down factories and lens plants - they closed down the lens plant in Japan and the Phillipines. This means Pentax only has two lens factories and they have limited production capacity.
Hoya is a large company yes, but they don't make lenses. They make lens elements, the materials used in lenses, but they don't make the optics. Hoya has no factory for making lenses, other than the two Pentax factories or lens plants.
When you close down production facilities, you remove some resources.
Hoya has shrinked Pentax. Hoya had to do this to make Pentax profitable. So Pentax has a much smaller and tighter costume today than they used to have. That is why I am saying that Pentax has more limited resources than before.
Hoya has also fired much of the R&D personell. All this happened when they merged with Pentax. It is old news. Where have you been? Hoya has shrinked Pentax quite a lot, they had to shrink the costume to fit the income Pentax was making.
Much of Pentax profitability of today is because of Hoya's cost cutting and shrinking of the Pentax businesses. This means Pentax can be profitable on lower output than before.
Hoyas chief - Mr Suzuki - has said openly and officially that Hoya seeks a partner for Pentax because they don't think it is worthwile to go alone - and I agree with this.
Also note that Pentax said that they does not have the resources to support both a market introduction of 645D and 24x36 digital at the same time, they had to choose. And they choosed to go with the 645D.
Are you really believing Pentax has a grand R&D department when they can't even work on more than one camera at a time? Now with the 645D being released, they have more resources available to work on the new APS-C models. When those are released later this year, they may have resources to give to a 24x36 product for next year. But the question is, do they want to?
It takes time to make new lenses and to build up a new 24x36 system, especially since you have to go from scratch.
And please note, many of the DA lenses are paid by Tokina. That is why Pentax could make them! The DA 12-24 is an original Tokina design. The 100, 35 Macro, fisheye, 16-50 and 50-135 are Pentax designs sold to Tokina. So Pentax are already developing lenses with Tokina to keep costs down, because they have to do it. yes, Hoya the largest glass supplier in the world needs Tokina to help with Pentax lenses to keep R&D costs down. Without Tokina, there would not have been so many DA lenses released.
Simply becaused it costed them too much.
So Pentax needs Tokina for the 24x36 lenses too.
Quote: Hoya/Pentax might need help in the future on the electronics front. Not optical.
If Hoya/Pentax doesn't need help with optics, why have they used help from Tokina then if it was not needed????