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cfraz · 05-22-2010, 03:30 PM

Pentax are all about egronomics as far as I'm concerned, save for this issue. Every Pentax SLR should come with a retractable eyepiece, sort of like the old rangefinder lenses. 1/4 turn and pull it out 1 cm for comfortable use, then 1/4 turn and push it back flush for compact storage.

dnaseigel · 05-22-2010, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by cfraz

Pentax are all about egronomics as far as I'm concerned, save for this issue. Every Pentax SLR should come with a retractable eyepiece, sort of like the old rangefinder lenses. 1/4 turn and pull it out 1 cm for comfortable use, then 1/4 turn and push it back flush for compact storage.

EXACTLY! Would it be out of the question to borrow the eyepiece technology from the sports optics division? The Pentax binocs and spotting scopes have the retractable eyepieces for those who are eyeglass wearers, and they extend for non-glasses wearers. Not difficult, not expensive and not ugly either. Just look at the viewfinder on the Nikon D700 and you can see the possibility of the retractable viewfinder cup.

lithos · 05-23-2010, 02:33 AM - **4 Likes**

Well, if the go with the sloped backplate, I pray they never release a 400mm lens.

You'll whack yourself in the nuts every time you chimp.

bogiesbad · 05-23-2010, 02:43 AM

Originally posted by lithos

Well, if the go with the sloped backplate, I pray they never release a 400mm lens.

You'll whack yourself in the nuts every time you chimp.

ALWAYS wear your cup when shooting.

Cambo · 05-24-2010, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by dnaseigel

EXACTLY! Would it be out of the question to borrow the eyepiece technology from the sports optics division? The Pentax binocs and spotting scopes have the retractable eyepieces for those who are eyeglass wearers, and they extend for non-glasses wearers. Not difficult, not expensive and not ugly either. Just look at the viewfinder on the Nikon D700 and you can see the possibility of the retractable viewfinder cup.

Great idea....PENTAX...OVER HERE! Use what you got already...sheesh, how hard is that?

Originally posted by lithos

Well, if the go with the sloped backplate, I pray they never release a 400mm lens.

You'll whack yourself in the nuts every time you chimp.

Originally posted by bogiesbad

ALWAYS wear your cup when shooting.

Nice one.

Cheers,
Cameron

nosnoop · 05-24-2010, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by noblepa

The sensor MUST be perpendicular to the lens axis....
So, a sloped back would only make the camera noticable bigger than it already is.

Exactly.
It just does not make any practical sense.

**Canada_Rockies** · 05-30-2010, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by ytterbium

Instead of making camera back at angle, why not simply tilt the viewfinder a bit up..
Vertical TLR style finder would be too extraordinary i believe.

There are and have been many interesting concepts, but there is a reason why they don't get adopted very well. Unfortunately some good ones are dropped because of subjective reasons (sales of extra accessories, user conservativeness, poor implementation etc).

Check out the optional viewfinders for the LX - the sports finder tilts the eyepiece up about 30 degrees, if I remember my brochures correctly. My K10 wears a O-ME53 viewfinder magnifier. Moves things out about 1/2", although that's not why I did it.

**grhazelton** · 04-29-2011, 07:45 AM

You want a smashed nose? Try the 645n! That is about my only complaint about it.

uccemebug · 05-03-2011, 10:58 AM

My bet is that the "forthcoming Pentax MILC" will look something like that Panasonic. Though let's hope it's more svelt and sexy.

Winder · 05-04-2011, 07:52 AM

If Pentax would make a larger VF with 1.15x instead of .93x and bring the eye piece back it would be a win-win. There are a lot of people using older MF Pentax glass who would really be happy, and a bigger, brighter VF makes everyone happy.

Adding a second SD card slot is also going to add a little to the size of the body. The current K-7/K-5 design is almost too small for some people. I know there are people with smaller hands who probably love the current size.

uccemebug · 05-07-2011, 05:25 PM

Something tells me that Pentax (Hoya) isn't that bad at listening. On a thread I'm following about Apple's glossy displays, someone posted the comparison below. FWIW, I've added Pentax by comparison (I had to exclude the same search with "Hoya" due to all of the non-English and boxing results).

apple “does not listen” customers – 7,760,000
ford “does not listen” customers – 3,740,000
microsoft “does not listen” customers – 2,690,000 hits
canon “does not listen” customers – 2,250,000
sony “does not listen” customers – 1,700,000
at&t “does not listen” customers – 1,210,000
ibm “does not listen” customers – 947,000
toyota “does not listen” customers – 871,000
nintendo “does not listen” customers – 727,000
samsung “does not listen” customers – 663,000
nikon “does not listen” customers – 217,000
“hewlett packard” “does not listen” customers – 205,000 hits
pentax “does not listen” customers - 41,900 results

jogiba · 05-08-2011, 05:31 AM

Originally posted by uccemebug

Something tells me that Pentax (Hoya) isn't that bad at listening. On a thread I'm following about Apple's glossy displays, someone posted the comparison below. FWIW, I've added Pentax by comparison (I had to exclude the same search with "Hoya" due to all of the non-English and boxing results).

apple “does not listen” customers – 7,760,000
ford “does not listen” customers – 3,740,000
microsoft “does not listen” customers – 2,690,000 hits
canon “does not listen” customers – 2,250,000
sony “does not listen” customers – 1,700,000
at&t “does not listen” customers – 1,210,000
ibm “does not listen” customers – 947,000
toyota “does not listen” customers – 871,000
nintendo “does not listen” customers – 727,000
samsung “does not listen” customers – 663,000
nikon “does not listen” customers – 217,000
“hewlett packard” “does not listen” customers – 205,000 hits
pentax “does not listen” customers - 41,900 results

I bet there are more photos taken today with the iPhone than Pentax DSLRs.
Flickr: Photos taken with an Apple iPhone

http://35slrcamera.com/iphone-5-might-kill-dslr-cameras-iphone-becoming-the-...popherald-com/

StepOne · 05-09-2011, 04:42 AM

Try to Google your local pub's name "does not listen" customers. You'll get very good results!

uccemebug · 05-09-2011, 06:17 AM

Originally posted by jogiba

I bet there are more photos taken today with the iPhone than Pentax DSLRs.
Flickr: Photos taken with an Apple iPhone

Sure! Even after the honeymoon period for any given model wears off, I expect each iPhone to do well: people are carrying them anyway and often have them at hand while the do.

Originally posted by jogiba

iPhone 5 might kill DSLR cameras, iPhone becoming the most popular Flickr camera – PopHerald.com | 35 SLR Camera

That article reads oddly?

**Digitalis** · 05-12-2011, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by Talisker

how is this unique to digital SLRs? I think about it every time I pick up one of my rangefinders and wonder where the sore nose went

funny you mention this, I use my left eye with RF cameras, and my right eye with SLR's...I know, i'm weird.

05-24-2010, 11:02 AM	#20
Cambo Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,016 Original Poster	Responses... Originally posted by dnaseigel EXACTLY! Would it be out of the question to borrow the eyepiece technology from the sports optics division? The Pentax binocs and spotting scopes have the retractable eyepieces for those who are eyeglass wearers, and they extend for non-glasses wearers. Not difficult, not expensive and not ugly either. Just look at the viewfinder on the Nikon D700 and you can see the possibility of the retractable viewfinder cup. Great idea....PENTAX...OVER HERE! Use what you got already...sheesh, how hard is that? Originally posted by lithos Well, if the go with the sloped backplate, I pray they never release a 400mm lens. You'll whack yourself in the nuts every time you chimp. Originally posted by bogiesbad ALWAYS wear your cup when shooting. Nice one. Cheers, Cameron

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05-22-2010, 03:30 PM	#16
cfraz Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 521	Pentax are all about egronomics as far as I'm concerned, save for this issue. Every Pentax SLR should come with a retractable eyepiece, sort of like the old rangefinder lenses. 1/4 turn and pull it out 1 cm for comfortable use, then 1/4 turn and push it back flush for compact storage.

05-22-2010, 08:08 PM	#17
dnaseigel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Rockford, IL Photos: Gallery Posts: 179	Originally posted by cfraz Pentax are all about egronomics as far as I'm concerned, save for this issue. Every Pentax SLR should come with a retractable eyepiece, sort of like the old rangefinder lenses. 1/4 turn and pull it out 1 cm for comfortable use, then 1/4 turn and push it back flush for compact storage. EXACTLY! Would it be out of the question to borrow the eyepiece technology from the sports optics division? The Pentax binocs and spotting scopes have the retractable eyepieces for those who are eyeglass wearers, and they extend for non-glasses wearers. Not difficult, not expensive and not ugly either. Just look at the viewfinder on the Nikon D700 and you can see the possibility of the retractable viewfinder cup.

05-23-2010, 02:33 AM - 4 Likes	#18
lithos Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Brisbane, QLD, AUS Posts: 3,261	Well, if the go with the sloped backplate, I pray they never release a 400mm lens. You'll whack yourself in the nuts every time you chimp.

05-23-2010, 02:43 AM	#19
bogiesbad Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Lower AL Photos: Albums Posts: 355	Originally posted by lithos Well, if the go with the sloped backplate, I pray they never release a 400mm lens. You'll whack yourself in the nuts every time you chimp. ALWAYS wear your cup when shooting.

05-24-2010, 01:32 PM	#21
nosnoop Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,299	Originally posted by noblepa The sensor MUST be perpendicular to the lens axis.... So, a sloped back would only make the camera noticable bigger than it already is. Exactly. It just does not make any practical sense.

05-30-2010, 02:52 PM	#22
Canada_Rockies Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sparwood, BC, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,385	Originally posted by ytterbium Instead of making camera back at angle, why not simply tilt the viewfinder a bit up.. Vertical TLR style finder would be too extraordinary i believe. There are and have been many interesting concepts, but there is a reason why they don't get adopted very well. Unfortunately some good ones are dropped because of subjective reasons (sales of extra accessories, user conservativeness, poor implementation etc). Check out the optional viewfinders for the LX - the sports finder tilts the eyepiece up about 30 degrees, if I remember my brochures correctly. My K10 wears a O-ME53 viewfinder magnifier. Moves things out about 1/2", although that's not why I did it.

04-29-2011, 07:45 AM	#23
grhazelton Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Jonesboro, GA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,972	You want a smashed nose? Try the 645n! That is about my only complaint about it.

05-03-2011, 10:58 AM	#24
uccemebug Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 962	My bet is that the "forthcoming Pentax MILC" will look something like that Panasonic. Though let's hope it's more svelt and sexy.

05-04-2011, 07:52 AM	#25
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	If Pentax would make a larger VF with 1.15x instead of .93x and bring the eye piece back it would be a win-win. There are a lot of people using older MF Pentax glass who would really be happy, and a bigger, brighter VF makes everyone happy. Adding a second SD card slot is also going to add a little to the size of the body. The current K-7/K-5 design is almost too small for some people. I know there are people with smaller hands who probably love the current size.

05-07-2011, 05:25 PM	#26
uccemebug Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 962	Something tells me that Pentax (Hoya) isn't that bad at listening. On a thread I'm following about Apple's glossy displays, someone posted the comparison below. FWIW, I've added Pentax by comparison (I had to exclude the same search with "Hoya" due to all of the non-English and boxing results). apple “does not listen” customers – 7,760,000 ford “does not listen” customers – 3,740,000 microsoft “does not listen” customers – 2,690,000 hits canon “does not listen” customers – 2,250,000 sony “does not listen” customers – 1,700,000 at&t “does not listen” customers – 1,210,000 ibm “does not listen” customers – 947,000 toyota “does not listen” customers – 871,000 nintendo “does not listen” customers – 727,000 samsung “does not listen” customers – 663,000 nikon “does not listen” customers – 217,000 “hewlett packard” “does not listen” customers – 205,000 hits pentax “does not listen” customers - 41,900 results

05-08-2011, 05:31 AM	#27
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	Originally posted by uccemebug Something tells me that Pentax (Hoya) isn't that bad at listening. On a thread I'm following about Apple's glossy displays, someone posted the comparison below. FWIW, I've added Pentax by comparison (I had to exclude the same search with "Hoya" due to all of the non-English and boxing results). apple “does not listen” customers – 7,760,000 ford “does not listen” customers – 3,740,000 microsoft “does not listen” customers – 2,690,000 hits canon “does not listen” customers – 2,250,000 sony “does not listen” customers – 1,700,000 at&t “does not listen” customers – 1,210,000 ibm “does not listen” customers – 947,000 toyota “does not listen” customers – 871,000 nintendo “does not listen” customers – 727,000 samsung “does not listen” customers – 663,000 nikon “does not listen” customers – 217,000 “hewlett packard” “does not listen” customers – 205,000 hits pentax “does not listen” customers - 41,900 results I bet there are more photos taken today with the iPhone than Pentax DSLRs. Flickr: Photos taken with an Apple iPhone http://35slrcamera.com/iphone-5-might-kill-dslr-cameras-iphone-becoming-the-...popherald-com/

05-09-2011, 04:42 AM	#28
StepOne Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Botosani Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 285	Try to Google your local pub's name "does not listen" customers. You'll get very good results!

05-09-2011, 06:17 AM	#29
uccemebug Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 962	Originally posted by jogiba I bet there are more photos taken today with the iPhone than Pentax DSLRs. Flickr: Photos taken with an Apple iPhone Sure! Even after the honeymoon period for any given model wears off, I expect each iPhone to do well: people are carrying them anyway and often have them at hand while the do. Originally posted by jogiba iPhone 5 might kill DSLR cameras, iPhone becoming the most popular Flickr camera – PopHerald.com \| 35 SLR Camera That article reads oddly?

05-12-2011, 08:36 AM	#30
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by Talisker how is this unique to digital SLRs? I think about it every time I pick up one of my rangefinders and wonder where the sore nose went funny you mention this, I use my left eye with RF cameras, and my right eye with SLR's...I know, i'm weird.

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