would you bet on the new camera being revolutionary or playing catch-up?

Reportage · 06-26-2010, 02:45 PM

Thing is which model(s) do they want to play catch-up with?

from the current lens lineup, i would say a sports dedicated camera doesnt seem to be likely.

I really hope i am wrong.

noser · 06-26-2010, 03:53 PM

If it's an in-betwen model, it'll be a lineup refinement.

If it's at the top end half the community will declare it a revolutionary saviour; the other half will call out "Pentax is Doomed!"

Personally I hope Pentax shows some backbone and doesn't do something dumb in terms of MP; my K20D is just fine. Heck, my K10D is just fine. I'd like a faster frame rate, faster max shutter, and higher sync speed, but those are just fundamentals.

I certainly don't see it as a choice between revolutionary -vs- catch up.

stormcloud · 06-26-2010, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by noser

If it's an in-betwen model, it'll be a lineup refinement.

If it's at the top end half the community will declare it a revolutionary saviour; the other half will call out "Pentax is Doomed!"

Personally I hope Pentax shows some backbone and doesn't do something dumb in terms of MP; my K20D is just fine. Heck, my K10D is just fine. I'd like a faster frame rate, faster max shutter, and higher sync speed, but those are just fundamentals.

I certainly don't see it as a choice between revolutionary -vs- catch up.

1/8000th of a second in the k-7 not fast enough for you? i cant imagine what your photographing needing any faster than that - care to enlighten us?

but i agree a faster frame rate would be nice, sync rate too, so would very high iso with as little noise as possible and predictive autofocus - but thats quite a big ask for one update i guess

kxr4trids · 06-26-2010, 04:58 PM

If whatever it is is not a dud, my guess is a $1400 full frame MkII killer. Possibly with some enhancements that make it preferable to the mkII for video.

I think that no matter what Pentax brings out, Canon's booth will have something far more revolutionary, so Pentax will instead try to beat Canon's last model on price rather than their nascent one on tech.

mattdm · 06-26-2010, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by kxr4trids

If whatever it is is not a dud, my guess is a $1400 full frame MkII killer. Possibly with some enhancements that make it preferable to the mkII for video.

This will be delivered to your door on a rainbow-colored flying pony.

noser · 06-26-2010, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by stormcloud

1/8000th of a second in the k-7 not fast enough for you? i cant imagine what your photographing needing any faster than that - care to enlighten us?

but i agree a faster frame rate would be nice, sync rate too, so would very high iso with as little noise as possible and predictive autofocus - but thats quite a big ask for one update i guess

...if you have a K7. I'm still back on the K20D/K10D backup path; mostly because the K7 wasn't a revolutionary enough leap for me. And I don't relish the thought of replacing my 7 batteries. So I use an ND4 instead of having 1/8000.

Pentax has backslid on specs before when doing model lineup shuffles, so that's something I'd like to see not happen with the new body.

ragingtornado · 06-26-2010, 06:00 PM

Both.

Obviously there will be some catch-up (ie modernizing) to keep up with new technology, but I think there will lots of new improvements and ideas too. Seems to me all of Pentax's new releases are revolutionary in some way or another. I dont have any reason to expect this one will be different. That being said, I'm pretty new to Pentax (and photography all-together). Guess we wont really know till its announced.

lurchlarson · 06-26-2010, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by mattdm

This will be delivered to your door on a rainbow-colored flying pony.

Not a unicorn?

ozlizard · 06-26-2010, 06:10 PM

Quote:

This will be delivered to your door on a rainbow-colored flying pony.

Is this another stupid rumour or do you have actual evidence to back it up?

reeftool · 06-26-2010, 07:00 PM

Actually, if the next camera keeps the features of the K7 but gets the sensor and low light capability of the Kx, I'm going to upgrade.

Inspector 17 · 06-26-2010, 07:25 PM

I would pay up to $2200 for a Pentax FF MkII killer if here by February, 2011 Of course $1800 is even better

My 31 and 77 Limiteds NEED FF - so do my eyes need a FF viewfinder

frank · 06-26-2010, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by Reportage

Thing is which model(s) do they want to play catch-up with?

from the current lens lineup, i would say a sports dedicated camera doesnt seem to be likely.

I really hope i am wrong.

Is there any camera maker out there who is making a sports dedicated camera?

Catch-up? Pentax never plays catchup games, they just do whatever they like to do. It's CNS who is playing catchups

SpecialK · 06-26-2010, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Actually, if the next camera keeps the features of the K7 but gets the sensor and low light capability of the Kx, I'm going to upgrade.

And a rotating, if not tilting, screen.

Votesh · 06-26-2010, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by frank

Catch-up? Pentax never plays catchup games, they just do whatever they like to do.

That's pretty much my feeling about the whole thing. Pentax seems to largely march to the beat of its own drummer. Sure, they incorporate new technology into their cameras, but they aren't really setting out simply to match the big guys. Sometimes having an attractive camera means trying to match the big guys in certain areas, though.

My thoughts on it are that the next DSLRs released by Pentax will be either a step up from the Kx or K7, and a FF body.

If the next DSLR isn't full frame I wont be particularly interested. My K7 is a hell of a camera, and does all I need an APS-C camera to do. For everything else, I've recently just been resorting to film. If they released a FF camera it would probably cut into my film usage, but wouldn't replace it totally. It would probably replace my K7 though.

ogl · 06-26-2010, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by Reportage

Thing is which model(s) do they want to play catch-up with?

from the current lens lineup, i would say a sports dedicated camera doesnt seem to be likely.

I really hope i am wrong.

Do you know any revolutionary DSLR? I don't know...

06-26-2010, 02:45 PM	#1
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06-26-2010, 03:53 PM	#2
noser Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Calgary, AB CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 292	If it's an in-betwen model, it'll be a lineup refinement. If it's at the top end half the community will declare it a revolutionary saviour; the other half will call out "Pentax is Doomed!" Personally I hope Pentax shows some backbone and doesn't do something dumb in terms of MP; my K20D is just fine. Heck, my K10D is just fine. I'd like a faster frame rate, faster max shutter, and higher sync speed, but those are just fundamentals. I certainly don't see it as a choice between revolutionary -vs- catch up.

06-26-2010, 04:30 PM	#3
stormcloud Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 232	Originally posted by noser If it's an in-betwen model, it'll be a lineup refinement. If it's at the top end half the community will declare it a revolutionary saviour; the other half will call out "Pentax is Doomed!" Personally I hope Pentax shows some backbone and doesn't do something dumb in terms of MP; my K20D is just fine. Heck, my K10D is just fine. I'd like a faster frame rate, faster max shutter, and higher sync speed, but those are just fundamentals. I certainly don't see it as a choice between revolutionary -vs- catch up. 1/8000th of a second in the k-7 not fast enough for you? i cant imagine what your photographing needing any faster than that - care to enlighten us? but i agree a faster frame rate would be nice, sync rate too, so would very high iso with as little noise as possible and predictive autofocus - but thats quite a big ask for one update i guess

06-26-2010, 04:58 PM	#4
kxr4trids Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: VA Photos: Albums Posts: 227	If whatever it is is not a dud, my guess is a $1400 full frame MkII killer. Possibly with some enhancements that make it preferable to the mkII for video. I think that no matter what Pentax brings out, Canon's booth will have something far more revolutionary, so Pentax will instead try to beat Canon's last model on price rather than their nascent one on tech.

06-26-2010, 05:17 PM	#5
mattdm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,948	Originally posted by kxr4trids If whatever it is is not a dud, my guess is a $1400 full frame MkII killer. Possibly with some enhancements that make it preferable to the mkII for video. This will be delivered to your door on a rainbow-colored flying pony.

06-26-2010, 05:21 PM	#6
noser Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Calgary, AB CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 292	Originally posted by stormcloud 1/8000th of a second in the k-7 not fast enough for you? i cant imagine what your photographing needing any faster than that - care to enlighten us? but i agree a faster frame rate would be nice, sync rate too, so would very high iso with as little noise as possible and predictive autofocus - but thats quite a big ask for one update i guess ...if you have a K7. I'm still back on the K20D/K10D backup path; mostly because the K7 wasn't a revolutionary enough leap for me. And I don't relish the thought of replacing my 7 batteries. So I use an ND4 instead of having 1/8000. Pentax has backslid on specs before when doing model lineup shuffles, so that's something I'd like to see not happen with the new body.

06-26-2010, 06:00 PM	#7
ragingtornado Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 49	Both. Obviously there will be some catch-up (ie modernizing) to keep up with new technology, but I think there will lots of new improvements and ideas too. Seems to me all of Pentax's new releases are revolutionary in some way or another. I dont have any reason to expect this one will be different. That being said, I'm pretty new to Pentax (and photography all-together). Guess we wont really know till its announced.

06-26-2010, 06:00 PM	#8
lurchlarson Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Oregon, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 681	Originally posted by mattdm This will be delivered to your door on a rainbow-colored flying pony. Not a unicorn?

06-26-2010, 06:10 PM	#9
ozlizard Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bridgetown West Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 903	Quote: This will be delivered to your door on a rainbow-colored flying pony. Is this another stupid rumour or do you have actual evidence to back it up?

06-26-2010, 07:00 PM	#10
reeftool Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Upstate New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,553	Actually, if the next camera keeps the features of the K7 but gets the sensor and low light capability of the Kx, I'm going to upgrade.

06-26-2010, 07:25 PM	#11
Inspector 17 Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 75	I would pay up to $2200 for a Pentax FF MkII killer if here by February, 2011 Of course $1800 is even better My 31 and 77 Limiteds NEED FF - so do my eyes need a FF viewfinder

06-26-2010, 07:27 PM	#12
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202	Originally posted by Reportage Thing is which model(s) do they want to play catch-up with? from the current lens lineup, i would say a sports dedicated camera doesnt seem to be likely. I really hope i am wrong. Is there any camera maker out there who is making a sports dedicated camera? Catch-up? Pentax never plays catchup games, they just do whatever they like to do. It's CNS who is playing catchups

06-26-2010, 09:04 PM	#13
SpecialK Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So California Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,480	Quote: Actually, if the next camera keeps the features of the K7 but gets the sensor and low light capability of the Kx, I'm going to upgrade. And a rotating, if not tilting, screen.

06-26-2010, 10:02 PM	#14
Votesh Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2008 Photos: Gallery Posts: 817	Originally posted by frank Catch-up? Pentax never plays catchup games, they just do whatever they like to do. That's pretty much my feeling about the whole thing. Pentax seems to largely march to the beat of its own drummer. Sure, they incorporate new technology into their cameras, but they aren't really setting out simply to match the big guys. Sometimes having an attractive camera means trying to match the big guys in certain areas, though. My thoughts on it are that the next DSLRs released by Pentax will be either a step up from the Kx or K7, and a FF body. If the next DSLR isn't full frame I wont be particularly interested. My K7 is a hell of a camera, and does all I need an APS-C camera to do. For everything else, I've recently just been resorting to film. If they released a FF camera it would probably cut into my film usage, but wouldn't replace it totally. It would probably replace my K7 though.

06-26-2010, 10:42 PM	#15
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Reportage Thing is which model(s) do they want to play catch-up with? from the current lens lineup, i would say a sports dedicated camera doesnt seem to be likely. I really hope i am wrong. Do you know any revolutionary DSLR? I don't know...