Originally posted by Pentaxor then your findings are flawed. understanding the laws of physics and sensor technology that you only know isn't enough if you don't have the actual sample that would support such claim as such. textbook knowledge is only as good as a mere theory without proper experimentation that would support the as evident fact.
Wrong. Assuming that having a sample of some piece of technology in hand is a requirement to understanding it would mean that no new technology ever would see light, at least none that were planned
Originally posted by Pentaxor thank you for clarifying this as I had assumed that you had any experience with any Sigma cameras. but since it is evident that you haven't, this makes your findings highly suspect.
I do have access to Sigma images, I do understand how the sensor works, I do understand how the relevant physics work, yet all that is irrelevant because I don't own a Sigma camera? Will the same be true for every other product and technology in the world - only those owning a product can know anything about them?
Originally posted by Pentaxor the Pentax K-5 real maximum ISO is 1600? where did you get that?
The Sony sensor has maximum gain for ISO 1600. Everything beyoond that is made in software.
Originally posted by Pentaxor of course it is relevant. it would show how Sigma improved the so-called noise performance at ISO levels that you are worried about. of course, anyone can add a few more stops on the camera. but I was referring to the performance at High
ISO levels. as I said previously, it wouldn't make sense for Sigma to boost up the ISO if the performance is not even up to it. the only possible reason why they would boost up the ISO is if they made some real significant improvement of the Foveon sensor with respect to performance.
You don't seem to understand that the Foveon technology has certain hard limitations - no actual hand holding of a Sigma camera is needed to understand them. One of theses limitations is the noise factor (for color imagery). This is because of the very weak color separation which forces the noise up. This is something that no mumbo jumbo will overcome.
On the other hand, if the new sensor in the Sigma is based on the recent patent presented in many forums, then the sensor will have correlated double sampling which takes away so-called reset-noise. This is somehting that is indeed fixable, and what we do not know if it's happened or not. If that patent describes the SD1 sensor, then it'll also have only a quarter of the red and green photodiodes compared to the blue ones.
Originally posted by Pentaxor You should learn to be more critical of photography sites nstead of laughing at other people. Laughing at others is not polite.
LL has a long history of very subjective articles which carefully avoid reality when it comes to hard performance figures. However, they also do have plenty of articles of interest, but the ones which should have some scientific accuracy do not usually have much.
Originally posted by Pentaxor this ultimately defeats your argument considering that there are better cameras out there as you have generalized. also why the interest if you already knew more about the SD1 and I quote "you knew already about sensor technology and their limitations and the laws of physics" even if you don't have the SD1 nor have any experience of it yet. it's funny how you the devalue a camera yet interested to get one for a price that would be able to afford it. very ironic, not to mention pointless as well.
I am not sure if you just want to insult me with you lack of reason and logic, or what? There is nothing that will defeat my argument in me saying that I might buy SD1 if the price is under 1k. As I said, it is an interesting product (well, the sensor is, the camera itself is not), and should be very good for black and white photography where the noise from the color separation does not come to play.
It seems like you live in a world of absolutes. I don't. While I am critical on the Sigma cameras and Foveon sensors, that does not mean I fail to see their merits. I live in a world where one may be interested in a flawed product and even buy one - your words strongly indicate that such behavior is not possible in your world.