Originally posted by brecklundin First good luck on your new venture.
Thank you!!
Originally posted by brecklundin Also, i have posted this already, but really I appreciate the direction people have taken the topic...I think it's relevant to all of us and helps to look at business from different perspectives even if they are not your idea of right or wrong...it is all only opinion in the end, if it were not we would never have economic problems or booms it would all be flat as everyone would be doing the right thing every time out.
I'll second that. Further to questions of camera clubs, I think this forum *is* my camera club. 8^)
Originally posted by brecklundin Fact is there are not that many people using camera and more interesting is the numbers are even, neither camera appears to be more popular or prevalent. So, the idea that the better IQ trumps the better over all feature set is kinda killed off right there within HoyaTax's own house...at least that is how I see the issue.
More on this below (tethered camera idea).
Originally posted by brecklundin Personally I had HUGE medical bills this year so far which will just keep getting higher or if I am lucky it won't matter, I also had two family members who died and I had to pay their final expenses and in betweent he deaths I had a rat bastard drunk bash in the front of my vehicle as it dared sit in my driveway...plus had to change my own business to adapt the the same market conditions you describe...
I'm sorry to read of your problems. I wish you well and hope that the worst of it is past (though by RA I think you mean arthritis and I've observed that to be a gift that just keeps giving).
Originally posted by Aristophanes Imagine a FF mirrorless where there was no rear LCD or VF at all. It simply tethered to your smartphone and used its superior screen. Or iPad. If you cut certain costs out, you can up the sensor size to maintain price point parity. Many pro shooters already tether to laptops exclusively. There's lots of ways to skin the cat, but at a certain point, the only way to advance the industry IQ premise will be to go to a larger sensor.
My business partner and I were discussing this very idea last night, but looked at it slightly differently. First, some quick observations on what's been happening with the camera manufacturers, phone manufacturers, and their products:
1. "do one thing" p&s cameras are losing out to cameras in phones because the latter do everything the former do and the former don't add enough value to make it worthwhile carrying them
2. tethering to a laptop indicates the mentality of some of the users, and indicates that there's plenty of room for improvement in the way that the camera manufacturers have been thinking about their products (user interface in particular)
3. Canon recently got into a joint venture R&D program with Toshiba to build displays; they seem willing to complement their product lines
4. smart phones are becoming the personal computer for a surprising number of people, you and old, in Japan
5. Apple makes more profit on their phones than practically all of their competitors combined
6. DSLR manufacturers right now are asking their buyers to adapt their way of taking photos to the form of the camera; this is in reverse to one of the quiet strengths of film SLRs, which was that they offered more-than-competent results and an interface that once learned could be effectively transfered to practically any other SLR
7. Sony and Panasonic have tried building cameras the way they've traditionally been built and have more or less failed; they then turned around and built products that matched their over-all electronics-products designs and are finding success
8. Japan has the world's largest reserves of the stored rare earth metals used in phones because the consumers here don't want to give up the old phones that hold their photos (and contacts) .. because they don't have a computer to which to transfer the data
9. a friend who works in Sony's camera unit has hinted (if I read him right) that it's Sony's APS-C product line that's going away, not the FF line
Pulling all of these things together, I'll summarize by saying that I believe that the smart phone (and possibly the iPad) and its outstanding micro-computing platform is going to become the conduit for photography. There is already an application on the newest iPhone that allows you to edit video-not just cropping but applying treatments and moving clips around etc. Something like Lightroom on the smartphone could well become the platform against which the camera manufacturers have to target their output. It doesn't ask that you tie photography to a computer even as bulky as a laptop, and it otherwise provides enough computing power, connectivity, and storage to do everything else a laptop does.
Here are some sample solutions that could come from this:
a. real-time use of the smartphone with a small but competent display of what the camera sees (perhaps transmitted via bluetooth)
b. automated transfer of photos to flickr/facebook/getty/email/print lab
c. long-term storage of photos on the phone
d. improved cameras as a clip-on module for your phone
e. camera-phone grade device that clip onto your glasses or ride on your thumb on a ring and are controlled by your phone
f. real-time relaying of an image/video to any destination in the world
g. smart-phone as remote trigger
h. DSLR's that are truly programmable via a sophisticated interface on the phone .. all of the customized wheels and buttons, the currently downloaded corrections for certain lenses, the post processing effects popularized by the current crop of EVIL's and by Lightroom plugins like SilverFast ... and everything else that people will imagine
i. smartphone as coordinator for strobes-not just shutter release but programming the strength of each strobe .. all wirelessly
I suspect that in three years or so, the top camera manufacturers (excluding the imaging devices in smartphones) will be Canon, Sony, and Panasonic. And that the products they'll be selling will look more like consumer electronics than they will cameras. In such an (altered) market, the only place for the others will be in highly specified niches that those three can't do better.
I actually think Pentax has a good future in such a market, because they're already demonstrating some good thinking with their recent product releases. Each product has a clear niche and doesn't try to either "do everything" or compete with the current market leaders to the exclusion of all else. But Pentax has to take it a lot further. Anything that provides an obstacle for taking photos and fails to "connect" has a very limited life going forward, and shouldn't attract any more investment.
+ no more dumb p&s cameras
+ no more grudgingly programmable DSLR's
+ no more products that smack of "me too" in any sense
Pentax can become relevant again by building the cameras that work with the creative conduit I describe above. Appeal to the market with products that work with the smartphones that their buyers already have.
It's obvious that the "good enough" cameras in the smart phones themselves will always have a place. But if there is a product line that encourages smartphone users to take their interest in photos a step further by integrating seamlessly, they could turn a significant portion of the smartphone-owning market into avid fans.