Originally posted by asw66 Nicely put, but I'm inclined to take the opposite view. As I opined earlier in this thread, "good enough" is probably in your pocket right now, in the form of a cameraphone that you consider to be free. (It's not really, but it seems that way of course.)
For some people, that is "good enough" - they just want to be able to put a picture on Facebook or whatnot, and a cameraphone is the easiest way to do it, despite being by far the worst quality. Even for DLSRs, most of what we have is "good enough" - with each new Pentax I buy, I am less excited about the new one. I bought the K20D and the K-7 - but the K-7 is good enough that I may skip the next body. (Unless there is a real and sizable jump in high ISO performance.) Heck, I can look back on the photos I took with my *ist DL and still be very happy with the image quality.
Originally posted by Aristophanes They'll want both. Convenience and FF are not mutually exclusive. You've used faulty logic. APS-C and Sony's new E-mount both already accept FF image circle so you don't need to be "big and heavy" to get there. Tape decks and LP's sold alongside each other for decades. HDTV came out and the Ninitendo Wii stayed at 480. it's not always substitutive; in fact, rarely is.
And who makes 4x6 prints? Last I noted, photo printing was in decline as well. We're looking at HDTV and 27" monitor displays soon, and increasing fidelity on small LCD's/OLED's. Small sensors will get better, hit a wall (already have on MP's vs. ISO) and then the only outlet to accommodate superior display resolution will be a larger sensor. It's not a matter of if, but when.
Good grief! Your first paragraph doesn't make any sense, yet you keep beating the drum of "APS can take FF image circle." Well,
duh. ANY sensor FF or smaller can take an FF image circle. You're doing a straw man argument. We can also mount MF lenses pretty easily and even LF if you feel like it. The point is, the body
MUST be larger and heavier to accommodate a FF sensor.
Furthermore, you
NEED bigger lenses to get equivalent image ranges. Again - if I went full-frame, I'd have to replace my 50-135mm F2.8 with a 70-200mm F2.8 (there's not even a weathersealed one available, so I'd be losing out already, and if there were, it'll probably be a lot more expensive.)
Yes, I could have the camera crop to APS-size - but then
why bother doing FF??? Heck, my ancient Takumar 300mm becomes a 450mm on my DSLRs - mount it on a FF and there goes a lot of the reach. This is not an opinion, but a fact!
You also keep ignoring that FF can not comfortably accept lenses designed for APS. My nice small 10-17mm will not show a full 10mm image on a FF sensor.
Originally posted by nosnoop Oh yes, they do! They sure do. If you don't see that, you are out of touch with what consumer wants. The mega pixel race is completely driven by the myth that the higher the pixel count, the better. Consumers WANT higher mega pixel camera. And if you frequent camcorder forums, you will see time and time again people asking why their HD camcorder zoom range is so much more limited than their SD camcorder.
True - just when we thought the megapixel race was dying down, look at cell phones. It's taken as gospel that an 8mp camera is better than a 5mp one, which is certainly not true. The 3mp camera in my eNV3 definitely takes better shots than the 5mp one in my wife's Droid. (But both are awful.
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Quote: "People WILL want FF" is basically your dream. This may or may not happen.
True - again, remember the film: 110, disc, Polaroids - people want small size and convenience.
Originally posted by Aristophanes They were wrong, and so are you.
You know, you really come off as a jackass when you say things like that when people don't agree with your opinion. Your bad attitude instantly invalidates any other point that you make.
Originally posted by Aristophanes I'm not God, but I know deus ex machina.
Apparently you don't, as that has nothing at all to do with what we're talking about. We're not in a crisis and there's no photographic God coming to save us. Try knowing what a phrase means before tossing it into a debate.