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08-10-2010, 12:24 AM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by lurchlarson Quote
I wish it had duel SD card slots and a built in grip.
The 645D has it, it's interesting to see what other 645D DNA the K-5 inherits.

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QuoteOriginally posted by theperception2008 Quote
And possibly a bigger sensor :-P
I think dueling SD cards would be more fun
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This is what I expect to see

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Pentax K5
Weather Resistant Magnesium Alloy On Stainless Steel Chassis Similar to K7
16 Megapixel APS-C CMOS Sensor
ISO 200-6400, Expandable to 12800
Glass Prism Viewfinder with 100% Image Coverage, 1.0X Magnification 1/8000 Shutter Speed, X-Sync=1/180s
6 FPS
1080P 30 FPS
77- Segment Multi-Pattern Metering System
New SAFOX-X AF System - 11-Point, 9 Cross type with new sensor layout
Improved LiveView with faster autofocus and Face detection
Pentax KAF2 Mount

These seem like some of probable specs for the K5 to me(if there is a K5), anyone else?
If you are only guessing then I hope its only a guess.
The reason I think that the K-5 is more than a rearmed K-7 is because of the name.
I agree on a few things, but not all.
K-5
Weather Resistant Magnesium Alloy On Stainless Steel Chassis Similar to K7
16 Megapixel APS-C BSI CMOS Sensor
ISO 200-12800, Expandable to 100-25600
1/8000 Shutter Speed, X-Sync=1/180s
about 7 FPS
77- Segment Multi-Pattern Metering System
645D SAFOX-IX+ AF System - 11-Point, 9 Cross type Its actually a APS-C AF module in the 645D link and pic at bottom
1080P 30/29.97/24fps/23.976 / 720P 60fps/50fps
Improved LiveView with faster autofocus and Face detection + AF during video
Glass Prism Viewfinder with 100% Image Coverage, 1.0X Magnification I am not sure about the 1.0 Mag that would be great,
SR II
Dual prime II processors
Dual SDXC
12/14bit RAW + selectable
Reinforced glass 910,000 dot display
I hope I am wrong about the sync speed as I miss having 1/250th without HSS.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Jasvox Quote
If these specs are actual instead of just pure speculation, it will take a hell of an IQ to get me to consider. Otherwise, just seems about 95% the same as a K-7.

Jason
Of course it's speculation. though some of the "specs" could be found in the real product.
A K-7 update with improved image quality would be good enough for me. However, we'll get more - I'm sure of that But the beer dispenser will still be missing

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QuoteOriginally posted by Steelski Quote
If you are only guessing then I hope its only a guess.
The reason I think that the K-5 is more than a rearmed K-7 is because of the name.
I agree on a few things, but not all.
K-5
Weather Resistant Magnesium Alloy On Stainless Steel Chassis Similar to K7
16 Megapixel APS-C BSI CMOS Sensor
ISO 200-12800, Expandable to 100-25600
1/8000 Shutter Speed, X-Sync=1/180s
about 7 FPS
77- Segment Multi-Pattern Metering System
645D SAFOX-IX+ AF System - 11-Point, 9 Cross type Its actually a APS-C AF module in the 645D link and pic at bottom
1080P 30/29.97/24fps/23.976 / 720P 60fps/50fps
Improved LiveView with faster autofocus and Face detection + AF during video
Glass Prism Viewfinder with 100% Image Coverage, 1.0X Magnification I am not sure about the 1.0 Mag that would be great,
SR II
Dual prime II processors
Dual SDXC
I hope I am wrong about the sync speed as I miss having 1/250th without HSS.

Safos IX+ http://www.sheya.net/upimg/allimg/100316/152P96023-37.jpg
If I was you I would not expect that much. We are still talking about an APS-C sensor, 6400 isos expandable to 12800 isos is already a very good feature, and results from NEX5 sensor show that the new sony's babies are a real big step forward the previous generation.
Then, about the BSI, no way. Sony explained it was too much expensive for big sensors (dSLR). Furthermore, they also explain that it would be useless, since the size of the electronics is still much smaller than the pixel size (at the opposite of compact sensors) and such design would almost not bring any improvement.

For the K-5 specs, it seems a real guess for me, finely very close to the K7 specs (just new sensor and new AF), and almost exactly what I was expecting from it.
It will big a big step forward in IQ using high isos for non Kx users.
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"K5" or "K9" Specs

Hello all,

I know this is probably useless, but I just spoke to a Pentax Australia employee I know about some other stuff.

Before I finished I asked them what they knew about the new camera/s.

The person used the term "K9" (that was the only camera mentioned ). I joked I hoped it wasn't a dog.

I asked about the format. They wouldn't elaborate, but said it might surprise.

The person stated they would know all details approximately 3 weeks before Photokina.

I asked if I could call them then for details. The person said no problems. So at the time I will.

However, by then the cat/s would probably be well and truly out of the bag.

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I would be extremly happy with a good K-7 IQ replacement. I hope my dreams are not crushed....
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As for the house I would like it to be slightly bigger, full metal house, real doors instead of rubber things. And I want the bracketing button and SR back. Pretty much a K10 in metal with a new lcd.

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QuoteOriginally posted by youky63 Quote
If I was you I would not expect that much. We are still talking about an APS-C sensor, 6400 isos expandable to 12800 isos is already a very good feature, and results from NEX5 sensor show that the new sony's babies are a real big step forward the previous generation.
Then, about the BSI, no way. Sony explained it was too much expensive for big sensors (dSLR). Furthermore, they also explain that it would be useless, since the size of the electronics is still much smaller than the pixel size (at the opposite of compact sensors) and such design would almost not bring any improvement.


For the K-5 specs, it seems a real guess for me, finely very close to the K7 specs (just new sensor and new AF), and almost exactly what I was expecting from it.
It will big a big step forward in IQ using high isos for non Kx users.
I am not sure that Sony has ever said it would be useless or that it would be too expensive. please link to where you heard this, or at least elaborate on who said it and when.
Also, I know that 25600 is a bit much, but I think it could be expandable, maybe its 6400 native. Alpha rumors report that they think the next Sony cameras will have 2 stops advantage to previous ones. that to me sounds like its only possible if they ad a 25600 option.
And the Canon 1D MK IV has a 16MP APS-H sensor expandable to Iso 102400, who knows
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QuoteOriginally posted by Steelski Quote
I am not sure that Sony has ever said it would be useless or that it would be too expensive. please link to where you heard this, or at least elaborate on who said it and when.
Also, I know that 25600 is a bit much, but I think it could be expandable, maybe its 6400 native. Alpha rumors report that they think the next Sony cameras will have 2 stops advantage to previous ones. that to me sounds like its only possible if they ad a 25600 option.
And the Canon 1D MK IV has a 16MP APS-H sensor expandable to Iso 102400, who knows
See here for reference. There is maybe better (more detailed) source but I have no time to look further:
Image Sensors World: Sony Does Not See BSI Tech in DSLRs
About expandable 25.600isos, sure you can expect something like that, up to Pentax to implement it. But "expandable" does not mean "usable". Did you saw pictures from 1DMkIV at 102.400 isos? Even my crappy cell phone camera give cleaner results (OK, not with so high isos ).
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QuoteOriginally posted by youky63 Quote
See here for reference. There is maybe better (more detailed) source but I have no time to look further:
Image Sensors World: Sony Does Not See BSI Tech in DSLRs
About expandable 25.600isos, sure you can expect something like that, up to Pentax to implement it. But "expandable" does not mean "usable". Did you saw pictures from 1DMkIV at 102.400 isos? Even my crappy cell phone camera give cleaner results (OK, not with so high isos ).
I completely agree about usable vs expandable. I am just writing what I expect the next phase of cameras will have.
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I completely agree about usable vs expandable. I am just writing what I expect the next phase of cameras will have.
Your speculative specs intrigue me for certain reasons.....
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There is no way that iso 25600 belongs on an APS C camera. It doesn't really look good on full frame. Anyway, anything over iso 3200 is probably achieved through software manipulation and not through increasing sensor sensitivity anyway, so if you really want to try it out, just deliberately under expose an iso 12800 on a kx and bring it up a stop. The results won't be pretty.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
There is no way that iso 25600 belongs on an APS C camera. It doesn't really look good on full frame. Anyway, anything over iso 3200 is probably achieved through software manipulation and not through increasing sensor sensitivity anyway, so if you really want to try it out, just deliberately under expose an iso 12800 on a kx and bring it up a stop. The results won't be pretty.
But your forgetting how sensor technology evolves.

I'm sure even remotely usable results at 1600 were considered impossible 10 years ago....times have changed so has technology.

It's actually quite interesting reading the old dpreview reviews from late 99 - 02.

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QuoteOriginally posted by phuey Quote
Why 1080p at 30fps? 24fps please.
Probably will have an option to lower it to 24fps like every other recent video shooting dSLR so no need to worry.
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