new camera predictions

Zebooka · 08-18-2010, 02:24 AM

By the way... Only 1 camera on/after Photokina - K-r.

:ugh:

thibs · 08-18-2010, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by climit

I would definetly say K-x, not K-7, for 2009.

No, K-x is K7/645D tech downfit to another sensor/body.
K-x is an excellent camera, especially for the price, nothing new here, but the tech is K7/645D.

**rparmar** · 08-18-2010, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by axl

my 2p...

I agree with some of what you say, but do not dismiss digital stabilisation. If it helps get another stop of usable sharpness out of a scene I am all for it.

K-x already has lots of silly photo modes and image processing so pet face detection is not unlikely. The lower-end DSLRs must appeal to people moving up from point'n'shoot so any features they are used to that are suddenly missing become negatives. Maybe not for us, but consider the market.

P.S. I wonder will the face detection work on reptiles?

Lampo · 08-18-2010, 03:12 AM

Originally posted by Zebooka

By the way... Only 1 camera on/after Photokina - K-r.

:ugh:

Is this just a guess or do you have inside info? Because all rumors so far indicate that a new top model K-5 as well as a model between K-x and K-7 (K-r) will be presented during Photokina.

Zebooka · 08-18-2010, 03:40 AM

It's a guess based on inside info.
I know that K-r will be. Strangely the announce date was said to be in October

Btw, K-r will have AF beam light helper (like in K-7)

asw66 · 08-18-2010, 04:09 AM

Originally posted by axl

Unfortunately this seems the trend.
I'd be really happy if there were two categories in DSLR market:
Video enabled with all modes, scenes, blink/smile/crap detection
and than normal, still picture camera at least on semi pro level

I have a good deal of sympathy for this view, but it would be commercial suicide for Pentax to produce such a specialised product, in view of their limited number of models. SoCaNikon could afford to undertake this kind of specialisation though.

**Rondec** · 08-18-2010, 04:15 AM

I don't understand the antagonism to video. There is a sense in which Sony missed the train when they didn't include video in their SLRs. Clearly it does not detract from taking decent photos and doesn't detract from good high iso, depending on the sensor. People don't look at photos when they buy a camera, they look at specs. How many FPS? How many megapixels? Does it have iso 25600 (even if it looks like crap)? Pentax can't afford to fall too far behind in these things, just to please "the faithful."

Spag · 08-18-2010, 04:24 AM

I rarely use video on my K-7 but I was glad to have it when I went snowboarding last winter. Perfect for some private movies to enjoy with friends and family, with an outstanding quality, light years away of what I'm used to with P&S cameras.
Really, if you don't want it, don't use it. It's here to stay.

gazonk · 08-18-2010, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by asw66

I have a good deal of sympathy for this view, but it would be commercial suicide for Pentax to produce such a specialised product, in view of their limited number of models. SoCaNikon could afford to undertake this kind of specialisation though.

It would be very easy to make, though: Just replace the mode dial with one that only has M, X and B positions, and cripple the menu system to hide all the gimmicks

(I fact, I just came up with a brilliant business idea: A "camera tuning garage" where you can get your mode dial replaced and your firmware hacked and replaced with a minimalist firmware with a pure basics menu

Maybe you can also get your K-x logo replaced with "MX-D"?)

axl · 08-18-2010, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

I don't understand the antagonism to video. There is a sense in which Sony missed the train when they didn't include video in their SLRs. Clearly it does not detract from taking decent photos and doesn't detract from good high iso, depending on the sensor. People don't look at photos when they buy a camera, they look at specs. How many FPS? How many megapixels? Does it have iso 25600 (even if it looks like crap)? Pentax can't afford to fall too far behind in these things, just to please "the faithful."

If I wanted video I would go out and buy camcorder. If I would want proper video I would go out and buy semi pro video camera. But I don't want it. Never liked video-ing things. I love stills on the other side. So for me video feature is a gimmick I don't need and will never use. I understand they have to put it there to be able to compete but I would be nice to have a choice of camera without it IMO.....
That's why (and colour rendition is another very good reason) why I'm still hanging on to K10D and considering buying another as a back up....

**jpzk** · 08-18-2010, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by TaoMaas

True, but it's just the latest in a long line of features that some folks never use. As for me, I never use any of the automatic exposure settings on my K10, nor any of the digital filters, nor the built-in flash, nor the auto white balance, nor about 7/8 of the other settings available on it. I could even do away with auto-focus and be perfectly happy.

This is much like buying a car: you choose the one that you want/need but you also have to take whatever comes in "the package". You want electric seats? Well, that will come with a sunroof, fog lamps, Bluetooth, and all of those things that you are not willing to pay for, but then you pay for them at the end of the day.
Same goes with cameras: you want better AF and better ISO handling: that will come with video; you can't have either - you'll get both whether you like it or not.

JP

TaoMaas · 08-18-2010, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by jpzk

This is much like buying a car: you choose the one that you want/need but you also have to take whatever comes in "the package". You want electric seats? Well, that will come with a sunroof, fog lamps, Bluetooth, and all of those things that you are not willing to pay for, but then you pay for them at the end of the day.
Same goes with cameras: you want better AF and better ISO handling: that will come with video; you can't have either - you'll get both whether you like it or not.

JP

Yep. You're exactly right. We can't stop these changes. The only thing we can change is our attitude towards them.

bodhi · 08-18-2010, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by axl

If I wanted video I would go out and buy camcorder. If I would want proper video I would go out and buy semi pro video camera. But I don't want it. Never liked video-ing things. I love stills on the other side. So for me video feature is a gimmick I don't need and will never use. I understand they have to put it there to be able to compete but I would be nice to have a choice of camera without it IMO.....
That's why (and colour rendition is another very good reason) why I'm still hanging on to K10D and considering buying another as a back up....

I had a similar opinion as you, but I've changed my mind after I saw some movies taken with DSLRs. Now I wouldn't buy a camera without a video mode anymore. I see no reason to refuse it as long as it doesn't have a negative effect on the IQ of the photos or the price of the camera.

ogl · 08-18-2010, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by Zebooka

It's a guess based on inside info.
I know that K-r will be. Strangely the announce date was said to be in October

Btw, K-r will have AF beam light helper (like in K-7)

Yes. K-r will be in shops in October.

No any confusion

Caat · 08-19-2010, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Yes. K-r will be in shops in October.

No any confusion

So are you say that both the K r and K 5 will ne announced on September with the K r being released in October (but presumably the K 5 coming some time later)

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08-18-2010, 02:24 AM	#31
Zebooka Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Russia, Siberia, Novosibirsk Posts: 323	By the way... Only 1 camera on/after Photokina - K-r. :ugh:

08-18-2010, 02:29 AM	#32
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by climit I would definetly say K-x, not K-7, for 2009. No, K-x is K7/645D tech downfit to another sensor/body. K-x is an excellent camera, especially for the price, nothing new here, but the tech is K7/645D.

08-18-2010, 03:11 AM	#33
rparmar Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,819 Original Poster	Originally posted by axl my 2p... I agree with some of what you say, but do not dismiss digital stabilisation. If it helps get another stop of usable sharpness out of a scene I am all for it. K-x already has lots of silly photo modes and image processing so pet face detection is not unlikely. The lower-end DSLRs must appeal to people moving up from point'n'shoot so any features they are used to that are suddenly missing become negatives. Maybe not for us, but consider the market. P.S. I wonder will the face detection work on reptiles?

08-18-2010, 03:12 AM	#34
Lampo Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Leiden Posts: 59	Originally posted by Zebooka By the way... Only 1 camera on/after Photokina - K-r. :ugh: Is this just a guess or do you have inside info? Because all rumors so far indicate that a new top model K-5 as well as a model between K-x and K-7 (K-r) will be presented during Photokina.

08-18-2010, 03:40 AM	#35
Zebooka Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Russia, Siberia, Novosibirsk Posts: 323	It's a guess based on inside info. I know that K-r will be. Strangely the announce date was said to be in October Btw, K-r will have AF beam light helper (like in K-7)

08-18-2010, 04:09 AM	#36
asw66 Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 347	Originally posted by axl Unfortunately this seems the trend. I'd be really happy if there were two categories in DSLR market: Video enabled with all modes, scenes, blink/smile/crap detection and than normal, still picture camera at least on semi pro level I have a good deal of sympathy for this view, but it would be commercial suicide for Pentax to produce such a specialised product, in view of their limited number of models. SoCaNikon could afford to undertake this kind of specialisation though.

08-18-2010, 04:15 AM	#37
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	I don't understand the antagonism to video. There is a sense in which Sony missed the train when they didn't include video in their SLRs. Clearly it does not detract from taking decent photos and doesn't detract from good high iso, depending on the sensor. People don't look at photos when they buy a camera, they look at specs. How many FPS? How many megapixels? Does it have iso 25600 (even if it looks like crap)? Pentax can't afford to fall too far behind in these things, just to please "the faithful."

08-18-2010, 04:24 AM	#38
Spag Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Berlin Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 118	I rarely use video on my K-7 but I was glad to have it when I went snowboarding last winter. Perfect for some private movies to enjoy with friends and family, with an outstanding quality, light years away of what I'm used to with P&S cameras. Really, if you don't want it, don't use it. It's here to stay.

08-18-2010, 05:04 AM	#39
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by asw66 I have a good deal of sympathy for this view, but it would be commercial suicide for Pentax to produce such a specialised product, in view of their limited number of models. SoCaNikon could afford to undertake this kind of specialisation though. It would be very easy to make, though: Just replace the mode dial with one that only has M, X and B positions, and cripple the menu system to hide all the gimmicks (I fact, I just came up with a brilliant business idea: A "camera tuning garage" where you can get your mode dial replaced and your firmware hacked and replaced with a minimalist firmware with a pure basics menu Maybe you can also get your K-x logo replaced with "MX-D"?)

08-18-2010, 07:10 AM	#40
axl Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nove Zamky, Slovakia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,183	Originally posted by Rondec I don't understand the antagonism to video. There is a sense in which Sony missed the train when they didn't include video in their SLRs. Clearly it does not detract from taking decent photos and doesn't detract from good high iso, depending on the sensor. People don't look at photos when they buy a camera, they look at specs. How many FPS? How many megapixels? Does it have iso 25600 (even if it looks like crap)? Pentax can't afford to fall too far behind in these things, just to please "the faithful." If I wanted video I would go out and buy camcorder. If I would want proper video I would go out and buy semi pro video camera. But I don't want it. Never liked video-ing things. I love stills on the other side. So for me video feature is a gimmick I don't need and will never use. I understand they have to put it there to be able to compete but I would be nice to have a choice of camera without it IMO..... That's why (and colour rendition is another very good reason) why I'm still hanging on to K10D and considering buying another as a back up....

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08-18-2010, 07:22 AM	#41
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251	Originally posted by TaoMaas True, but it's just the latest in a long line of features that some folks never use. As for me, I never use any of the automatic exposure settings on my K10, nor any of the digital filters, nor the built-in flash, nor the auto white balance, nor about 7/8 of the other settings available on it. I could even do away with auto-focus and be perfectly happy. This is much like buying a car: you choose the one that you want/need but you also have to take whatever comes in "the package". You want electric seats? Well, that will come with a sunroof, fog lamps, Bluetooth, and all of those things that you are not willing to pay for, but then you pay for them at the end of the day. Same goes with cameras: you want better AF and better ISO handling: that will come with video; you can't have either - you'll get both whether you like it or not. JP

08-18-2010, 07:35 AM	#42
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	Originally posted by jpzk This is much like buying a car: you choose the one that you want/need but you also have to take whatever comes in "the package". You want electric seats? Well, that will come with a sunroof, fog lamps, Bluetooth, and all of those things that you are not willing to pay for, but then you pay for them at the end of the day. Same goes with cameras: you want better AF and better ISO handling: that will come with video; you can't have either - you'll get both whether you like it or not. JP Yep. You're exactly right. We can't stop these changes. The only thing we can change is our attitude towards them.

08-18-2010, 07:38 AM	#43
bodhi Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 61	Originally posted by axl If I wanted video I would go out and buy camcorder. If I would want proper video I would go out and buy semi pro video camera. But I don't want it. Never liked video-ing things. I love stills on the other side. So for me video feature is a gimmick I don't need and will never use. I understand they have to put it there to be able to compete but I would be nice to have a choice of camera without it IMO..... That's why (and colour rendition is another very good reason) why I'm still hanging on to K10D and considering buying another as a back up.... I had a similar opinion as you, but I've changed my mind after I saw some movies taken with DSLRs. Now I wouldn't buy a camera without a video mode anymore. I see no reason to refuse it as long as it doesn't have a negative effect on the IQ of the photos or the price of the camera.

08-18-2010, 08:33 PM	#44
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Zebooka It's a guess based on inside info. I know that K-r will be. Strangely the announce date was said to be in October Btw, K-r will have AF beam light helper (like in K-7) Yes. K-r will be in shops in October. No any confusion

08-19-2010, 12:22 AM	#45
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by ogl Yes. K-r will be in shops in October. No any confusion So are you say that both the K r and K 5 will ne announced on September with the K r being released in October (but presumably the K 5 coming some time later)