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Russell-Evans · 08-19-2010, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by TaoMaas

....but that's not the type of camera that the market dictated,

We are the market. If we make educated decisions in buying, vendors will follow our dictates. There are other vendors for people that don't want to think.

Thank you
Russell

TaoMaas · 08-19-2010, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Russell-Evans

We are the market. If we make educated decisions in buying, vendors will follow our dictates. There are other vendors for people that don't want to think.

Thank you
Russell

And exactly what vendors would those "thinking consumers" use if they want to fight the trend toward video on DSLRs? Leica? Should they switch back to film?

weikle · 08-19-2010, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by Rondec

I don't understand the antagonism to video. There is a sense in which Sony missed the train when they didn't include video in their SLRs. Clearly it does not detract from taking decent photos and doesn't detract from good high iso, depending on the sensor. People don't look at photos when they buy a camera, they look at specs. How many FPS? How many megapixels? Does it have iso 25600 (even if it looks like crap)? Pentax can't afford to fall too far behind in these things, just to please "the faithful."

agreed.most of people choosed the cameras according to the specs and function,the higher of the specs the better,the more numerous function the better even they would not ever use it in future until they upgraded another camera.

Russell-Evans · 08-20-2010, 04:44 AM

Originally posted by TaoMaas

And exactly what vendors would those "thinking consumers" use if they want to fight the trend toward video on DSLRs? Leica? Should they switch back to film?

I suppose it is unthinkable not to buy the latest and greatest.

Thank you
Russell

stanleyk · 08-20-2010, 05:14 AM

Originally posted by Pentax Bob

I have a K-x and love it. What I think Pentax should introduce is a full frame digital version of the LX. This would boost the image of Pentax as a serious professional tool. I also wish that there would be a clear break between still and video cameras. They both have a unique skill set and the equipment should be dedicated to one or the other.

Just out of curiousity why does Pentax need the "image as a serious professional tool." As as side note, what would people consider the 645D to be, an enthusiast camera? I log on to this forum every couple of days and I see stuff like this all the time. If you are a "professional" (and that seems to have a rather amorphous definition- is a person who supplements their income taking wedding photos a professional?), just get the camera system that works for you. If you aren't what difference does it make? You can just use whatever camera/lenses you like because your income isn't dependent on it. Does the camera's image matter or is it more important that you enjoy using it? Or does your enjoyment of the camera depend on it's "image?"

Reading this forum, I really wonder why a lot of people here bought Pentax cameras in the first place. Pentax isn't Nikon or Canon. They make very good photographic equipment, but they really aren't geared towards sports photography for example. To me the 645D or the DA Limiteds' are great examples of the what Pentax is; a rather niche oriented company. If you understand what you are getting with Pentax you will really enjoy their equipment. If not, I would buy a Nikon or Canon. Both companies produce equipment that provide the user with wider applications. I guess it would be great if Pentax did that, but I wouldn't count on it anytime soon.

I guess what I think is Pentax really isn't a camera company geared towards camera gear enthusiasts. If what you really like is camera gear, I would definitely buy a Canon or Nikon. In some ways Pentax is more like Leica (definitely not in quality engineering), they offer a set of products that's geared towards taking photos in a certain way (for example fewer zooms). However, it's not a company for people who obsess over camera specifications, at least for now.

**NaClH2O** · 08-20-2010, 05:46 AM

Originally posted by axl

Unfortunately this seems the trend.
I'd be really happy if there were two categories in DSLR market:
Video enabled with all modes, scenes, blink/smile/crap detection
and than normal, still picture camera at least on semi pro level

Axl, I can just see it now. The camera automatically focuses on dog poops, "dollar stores" McDonalds, Walmarts, Yugos and all forms of kitsch. What a concept! I want one!!!!!!!

NaCl(we need bling detection too!)H2O

TaoMaas · 08-20-2010, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by Russell-Evans

I suppose it is unthinkable not to buy the latest and greatest.

Thank you
Russell

lol You're talking to the wrong person about that and I'll be happy to compare purchases anytime you like. I haven't been an 'early adopter' in about 30 years. And even that instance was a one time thing.

I'm not saying I'll rush out and buy a Pentax DSLR that has improved video. This thread is about new camera predictions and I'm just saying that the market is trending towards improved video capabilities so I expect Pentax to follow suit. In my experience...with the people I know who have made upgrades to their DSLRs...video has been a difference maker. Guys who were perfectly happy with the output of their DSLRs went out and bought new cameras because they wanted to investigate how well DSLRs do video. Pentax needs those kinds of people who are willing to try something new. It's the only way they'll be able to steal buyers from Canikon.

gazonk · 08-20-2010, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by NaClH2O

Axl, I can just see it now. The camera automatically focuses on dog poops, "dollar stores" McDonalds, Walmarts, Yugos and all forms of kitsch. What a concept! I want one!!!!!!!

NaCl(we need bling detection too!)H2O

I want rusty old wheels and decaying paint detection, including auto post-processing.

Russell-Evans · 08-20-2010, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by TaoMaas

lol It's the only way they'll be able to steal buyers from Canikon.

As opposed to that old idea of having a better product? Fads come and go, color DSLRs, video DSLRs, DLSR with little dolls on the lens, next campaign, would you like fries with that?

Thank you
Russell

TaoMaas · 08-20-2010, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by Russell-Evans

As opposed to that old idea of having a better product?

Define: "better product"

jogiba · 08-20-2010, 09:42 AM

The big question is will Pentax have a new entry-level HDSLR like the new Nikon D3100 with 1080p and AF in HD video mode ?
[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rqSa5Sp0UY[/YT]

Quote:

The D3100 kit will include an AF-S NIKKOR 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR image stabilization lens when made available in September, for a manufacturer's estimated retail of US$699.95

Nikon goes full HD with the D3100 digital SLR

Russell-Evans · 08-20-2010, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by TaoMaas

Define: "better product"

It usually means superior at a given task, not compromised performance for a variety of tasks. Can we not have a camera optimized for still photography, and one optimized for video? Why not abandon the entry level, higher level production model Pentax has used and simply go after the enthusiast market of videographers and photographers? Add a mirrorless camera with both video and still for the entry level and call it done.

Thank you
Russell

TaoMaas · 08-20-2010, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Russell-Evans

Can we not have a camera optimized for still photography, and one optimized for video?

I'd vote in favor of that, but I don't think the camera manufacturers are listening to us. They're building a little bit of something for everyone into their products.

**Aristophanes** · 08-20-2010, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by jogiba

The big question is will Pentax have a new entry-level HDSLR like the new Nikon D3100 with 1080p and AF in HD video mode ?
[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rqSa5Sp0UY[/YT]

Nikon goes full HD with the D3100 digital SLR

So the Nikon 3100 comes with a film crew?

Vaikis_ · 08-20-2010, 10:38 AM

both Pentax new cameras would have AF in Video, K-5 also have manual settings in Video mode

08-20-2010, 05:46 AM	#66
NaClH2O Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bronx NY Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,631	Crap detection!!!??? Originally posted by axl Unfortunately this seems the trend. I'd be really happy if there were two categories in DSLR market: Video enabled with all modes, scenes, blink/smile/*crap* detection and than normal, still picture camera at least on semi pro level Axl, I can just see it now. The camera automatically focuses on dog poops, "dollar stores" McDonalds, Walmarts, Yugos and all forms of kitsch. What a concept! I want one!!!!!!! NaCl(we need bling detection too!)H2O

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08-19-2010, 01:04 PM	#61
Russell-Evans Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,553	Originally posted by TaoMaas ....but that's not the type of camera that the market dictated, We are the market. If we make educated decisions in buying, vendors will follow our dictates. There are other vendors for people that don't want to think. Thank you Russell

08-19-2010, 01:18 PM	#62
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	Originally posted by Russell-Evans We are the market. If we make educated decisions in buying, vendors will follow our dictates. There are other vendors for people that don't want to think. Thank you Russell And exactly what vendors would those "thinking consumers" use if they want to fight the trend toward video on DSLRs? Leica? Should they switch back to film?

08-19-2010, 01:49 PM	#63
weikle Inactive Account Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 17	Originally posted by Rondec I don't understand the antagonism to video. There is a sense in which Sony missed the train when they didn't include video in their SLRs. Clearly it does not detract from taking decent photos and doesn't detract from good high iso, depending on the sensor. People don't look at photos when they buy a camera, they look at specs. How many FPS? How many megapixels? Does it have iso 25600 (even if it looks like crap)? Pentax can't afford to fall too far behind in these things, just to please "the faithful." agreed.most of people choosed the cameras according to the specs and function,the higher of the specs the better,the more numerous function the better even they would not ever use it in future until they upgraded another camera.

08-20-2010, 04:44 AM	#64
Russell-Evans Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,553	Originally posted by TaoMaas And exactly what vendors would those "thinking consumers" use if they want to fight the trend toward video on DSLRs? Leica? Should they switch back to film? I suppose it is unthinkable not to buy the latest and greatest. Thank you Russell

08-20-2010, 05:14 AM	#65
stanleyk Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Taylor, Texas Posts: 1,018	Originally posted by Pentax Bob I have a K-x and love it. What I think Pentax should introduce is a full frame digital version of the LX. This would boost the image of Pentax as a serious professional tool. I also wish that there would be a clear break between still and video cameras. They both have a unique skill set and the equipment should be dedicated to one or the other. Just out of curiousity why does Pentax need the "image as a serious professional tool." As as side note, what would people consider the 645D to be, an enthusiast camera? I log on to this forum every couple of days and I see stuff like this all the time. If you are a "professional" (and that seems to have a rather amorphous definition- is a person who supplements their income taking wedding photos a professional?), just get the camera system that works for you. If you aren't what difference does it make? You can just use whatever camera/lenses you like because your income isn't dependent on it. Does the camera's image matter or is it more important that you enjoy using it? Or does your enjoyment of the camera depend on it's "image?" Reading this forum, I really wonder why a lot of people here bought Pentax cameras in the first place. Pentax isn't Nikon or Canon. They make very good photographic equipment, but they really aren't geared towards sports photography for example. To me the 645D or the DA Limiteds' are great examples of the what Pentax is; a rather niche oriented company. If you understand what you are getting with Pentax you will really enjoy their equipment. If not, I would buy a Nikon or Canon. Both companies produce equipment that provide the user with wider applications. I guess it would be great if Pentax did that, but I wouldn't count on it anytime soon. I guess what I think is Pentax really isn't a camera company geared towards camera gear enthusiasts. If what you really like is camera gear, I would definitely buy a Canon or Nikon. In some ways Pentax is more like Leica (definitely not in quality engineering), they offer a set of products that's geared towards taking photos in a certain way (for example fewer zooms). However, it's not a company for people who obsess over camera specifications, at least for now.

08-20-2010, 05:52 AM	#67
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	Originally posted by Russell-Evans I suppose it is unthinkable not to buy the latest and greatest. Thank you Russell lol You're talking to the wrong person about that and I'll be happy to compare purchases anytime you like. I haven't been an 'early adopter' in about 30 years. And even that instance was a one time thing. I'm not saying I'll rush out and buy a Pentax DSLR that has improved video. This thread is about new camera predictions and I'm just saying that the market is trending towards improved video capabilities so I expect Pentax to follow suit. In my experience...with the people I know who have made upgrades to their DSLRs...video has been a difference maker. Guys who were perfectly happy with the output of their DSLRs went out and bought new cameras because they wanted to investigate how well DSLRs do video. Pentax needs those kinds of people who are willing to try something new. It's the only way they'll be able to steal buyers from Canikon.

08-20-2010, 05:52 AM	#68
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by NaClH2O Axl, I can just see it now. The camera automatically focuses on dog poops, "dollar stores" McDonalds, Walmarts, Yugos and all forms of kitsch. What a concept! I want one!!!!!!! NaCl(we need bling detection too!)H2O I want rusty old wheels and decaying paint detection, including auto post-processing.

08-20-2010, 08:37 AM	#69
Russell-Evans Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,553	Originally posted by TaoMaas lol It's the only way they'll be able to steal buyers from Canikon. As opposed to that old idea of having a better product? Fads come and go, color DSLRs, video DSLRs, DLSR with little dolls on the lens, next campaign, would you like fries with that? Thank you Russell

08-20-2010, 09:12 AM	#70
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	Originally posted by Russell-Evans As opposed to that old idea of having a better product? Define: "better product"

08-20-2010, 09:42 AM	#71
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	The big question is will Pentax have a new entry-level HDSLR like the new Nikon D3100 with 1080p and AF in HD video mode ? [YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rqSa5Sp0UY[/YT] Quote: The D3100 kit will include an AF-S NIKKOR 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR image stabilization lens when made available in September, for a manufacturer's estimated retail of US$699.95 Nikon goes full HD with the D3100 digital SLR

08-20-2010, 10:23 AM	#72
Russell-Evans Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,553	Originally posted by TaoMaas Define: "better product" It usually means superior at a given task, not compromised performance for a variety of tasks. Can we not have a camera optimized for still photography, and one optimized for video? Why not abandon the entry level, higher level production model Pentax has used and simply go after the enthusiast market of videographers and photographers? Add a mirrorless camera with both video and still for the entry level and call it done. Thank you Russell

08-20-2010, 10:28 AM	#73
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	Originally posted by Russell-Evans Can we not have a camera optimized for still photography, and one optimized for video? I'd vote in favor of that, but I don't think the camera manufacturers are listening to us. They're building a little bit of something for everyone into their products.

08-20-2010, 10:31 AM	#74
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by jogiba The big question is will Pentax have a new entry-level HDSLR like the new Nikon D3100 with 1080p and AF in HD video mode ? [YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rqSa5Sp0UY[/YT] Nikon goes full HD with the D3100 digital SLR So the Nikon 3100 comes with a film crew?

08-20-2010, 10:38 AM	#75
Vaikis_ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 213	both Pentax new cameras would have AF in Video, K-5 also have manual settings in Video mode