Brief info about K-5 and KR

Christopher M.W.T · 08-31-2010, 04:09 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

How much noise is noise? K-7, 1000ISO cropped 50%! No noise reduction; just opened in Photoshop and saved for web....

Looks pretty good to me. The question is once you print that, will that noise be so noticeable? If anything it looks a bit more organic as if you shot it on film.

Shashinki · 08-31-2010, 11:51 AM

I have to say, I liked the idea of the K-r having the ability to use both AA's and Li-ions. End of discussion for the battery issues i guess.

music_lover · 08-31-2010, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by buttons

I would love to see a full frame pentax some day. I am quite happy with my Pentax K-X but im pretty sure at some point I will want to graduate up to a "more powerful" camera. The current K5/KR rumors do not entice me very much. I would probably end up switching to a nikon or a canon when that time comes. something along the lines of a 5D mark II

2011 you might get your wish so i'm hearing myself rumurs and such

lurchlarson · 09-02-2010, 07:40 AM

Originally posted by kricha6431

2011 you might get your wish so i'm hearing myself rumurs and such

Lemme guess, is the Pentax FF going to be announced in conjunction with the Verizion iPhone?

Last edited by lurchlarson; 09-02-2010 at 08:54 AM.

morphyne · 09-02-2010, 01:27 PM

I will wait to buy my new pentax untill FF will be available...

music_lover · 09-02-2010, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by lurchlarson

Lemme guess, is the Pentax FF going to be announced in conjunction with the Verizion iPhone?

HA HA HA laugh all you want dim wit
oh, and by the way, i don't care for sarcastic remarks, they are not funny

but I have heard otherwise thatt FF will be announce in 2011

montecarlo · 09-03-2010, 04:32 AM

I think the bigger issue with pentax are cheaper , consumer lenses, especially fast primes (faster than f:2.8 ... 2.8 can do a zoom lens too)... a 35mm/1.8 (50mm equiv.), a 24mm/f:2 (35mm equiv.) , 90mm f:2.4 .. (135mm equiv.) etc.

More,... FF would mean at least 3 FA* zoom new lenses (wide, standard,tele), ~4 new FA/FA* primes (a 50/1.7, 24/2, 85/1.8, 85/1.4 .... etc.).. bedsides 50/1.4 and 35/2 ... but with prices at least at the same level as Canikon, plus.. others....

I doubt Pentax can do all this in.. let's say.. a year after the lauch of a Pentax FF camera.

For me Pentax cameras (not lenses) has 2-3 strong points: shake reduction with any lens, small sturdy bodies (+WR on some), compatibility with older lenses .. but here we have that crippled mount :-( .. so could be better... and that's all.
The best lenses from Pentax are the kit lens (realtively to what the competition is offering) for the same price.

dotchoucou · 09-03-2010, 04:47 AM

Don't you think you are a little bit strong?
I agree with the FA but this:
"The best lenses from Pentax are the kit lens (realtively to what the competition is offering) for the same price."

What about all the limited DAs? Not that expensive with nice quality in APS-C.
And the 17-70 SDM?
And the 100mm macro?
...

ogl · 09-03-2010, 04:51 AM

It seems to me...K-r has new Samsung sensor

Steelski · 09-03-2010, 05:20 AM

Originally posted by ogl

It seems to me...K-r has new Samsung sensor

How many Pixels?
I know you stated 12MP before.
They do have a patent for a 12MP chip with 8fps.
This would be very exciting.
How sure are your out of 5. (1 being not sure)

Christopher M.W.T · 09-03-2010, 05:30 AM

Originally posted by ogl

It seems to me...K-r has new Samsung sensor

Doubtful, Pentax and Samsung have parted ways.

happygui · 09-03-2010, 06:55 AM

Where is my k-5????? It has been too long.

glanglois · 09-03-2010, 06:59 AM

Originally posted by Christopher M.W.T

Doubtful, Pentax and Samsung have parted ways.

What does that mean, Christopher? Are you suggesting that Hoya would not buy ICs from Samsung even if the price and product were right?

That may be correct but I wonder how we'd know that.

Christopher M.W.T · 09-03-2010, 07:04 AM

Originally posted by glanglois

What does that mean, Christopher? Are you suggesting that Hoya would not buy ICs from Samsung even if the price and product were right?

That may be correct but I wonder how we'd know that.

The way I'm seeing it now (going off what I've read) is that Hoya/Pentax fell out with Samsung for whatever reason.

Going by the fact that they've used a Sony sensor (not Samung) for the K-x, Samsung dropping the k-mount, the K-5 using the new Sony exemor sensor it's only fair to say that Pentax at this time are exclusively dealing with Sony in the sensor department....

Then again it's just speculation until something is an official press release.

montecarlo · 09-03-2010, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by dotchoucou

...
"The best lenses from Pentax are the kit lens (realtively to what the competition is offering) for the same price."

What about all the limited DAs? Not that expensive with nice quality in APS-C.
And the 17-70 SDM?
And the 100mm macro?
...

I think the the price tag/performance doesn't justify to buy the 17-70 SDM over sigma's 17-70, or over Tamron SP 17-50/f:2.8 ... the 100mm macro is expensive EVEN if doesn't have SDM (like nikon&canon), and SR (like nikon&cANON) ;-)
Limiteds DA's are relatively ok... but MAYBE except 70/2.4 the rest are too expensive (for me) for their speed (f:2.8 ... 3.2 for 21mm and 4 for 15mm !!!)... true.. I like narrow DOF.. :-)
I said that about the kit lens because it is so good (NON rotating fron element !!! , good optics, etc... for the price) that it is worth replacing only by a Tamron/sigma 18-50/2.8 or maybe sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5 .. or 35/1.8 like the DX lens from NIkon ... great lens BTW for the price ;-) ... same for 50/1.8 (canikon) ... lenses that pentax lacks.

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08-31-2010, 04:09 AM	#496
Christopher M.W.T Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,689	Originally posted by Pål Jensen How much noise is noise? K-7, 1000ISO cropped 50%! No noise reduction; just opened in Photoshop and saved for web.... Looks pretty good to me. The question is once you print that, will that noise be so noticeable? If anything it looks a bit more organic as if you shot it on film.

08-31-2010, 11:51 AM	#497
Shashinki Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 355	I have to say, I liked the idea of the K-r having the ability to use both AA's and Li-ions. End of discussion for the battery issues i guess.

08-31-2010, 02:29 PM	#498
music_lover Guest	Originally posted by buttons I would love to see a full frame pentax some day. I am quite happy with my Pentax K-X but im pretty sure at some point I will want to graduate up to a "more powerful" camera. The current K5/KR rumors do not entice me very much. I would probably end up switching to a nikon or a canon when that time comes. something along the lines of a 5D mark II 2011 you might get your wish so i'm hearing myself rumurs and such

09-02-2010, 07:40 AM	#499
lurchlarson Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Oregon, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 681	Originally posted by kricha6431 2011 you might get your wish so i'm hearing myself rumurs and such Lemme guess, is the Pentax FF going to be announced in conjunction with the Verizion iPhone? Last edited by lurchlarson; 09-02-2010 at 08:54 AM.

09-02-2010, 01:27 PM	#500
morphyne Inactive Account Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Turin Photos: Albums Posts: 3	I will wait to buy my new pentax untill FF will be available...

09-02-2010, 10:44 PM	#501
music_lover Guest	Originally posted by lurchlarson Lemme guess, is the Pentax FF going to be announced in conjunction with the Verizion iPhone? HA HA HA laugh all you want dim wit oh, and by the way, i don't care for sarcastic remarks, they are not funny but I have heard otherwise thatt FF will be announce in 2011

09-03-2010, 04:32 AM	#502
montecarlo Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 161	I think the bigger issue with pentax are cheaper , consumer lenses, especially fast primes (faster than f:2.8 ... 2.8 can do a zoom lens too)... a 35mm/1.8 (50mm equiv.), a 24mm/f:2 (35mm equiv.) , 90mm f:2.4 .. (135mm equiv.) etc. More,... FF would mean at least 3 FA* zoom new lenses (wide, standard,tele), ~4 new FA/FA* primes (a 50/1.7, 24/2, 85/1.8, 85/1.4 .... etc.).. bedsides 50/1.4 and 35/2 ... but with prices at least at the same level as Canikon, plus.. others.... I doubt Pentax can do all this in.. let's say.. a year after the lauch of a Pentax FF camera. For me Pentax cameras (not lenses) has 2-3 strong points: shake reduction with any lens, small sturdy bodies (+WR on some), compatibility with older lenses .. but here we have that crippled mount :-( .. so could be better... and that's all. The best lenses from Pentax are the kit lens (realtively to what the competition is offering) for the same price.

09-03-2010, 04:47 AM	#503
dotchoucou Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Marseille Photos: Gallery Posts: 26	Don't you think you are a little bit strong? I agree with the FA but this: "The best lenses from Pentax are the kit lens (realtively to what the competition is offering) for the same price." What about all the limited DAs? Not that expensive with nice quality in APS-C. And the 17-70 SDM? And the 100mm macro? ...

09-03-2010, 04:51 AM	#504
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	It seems to me...K-r has new Samsung sensor

09-03-2010, 05:20 AM	#505
Steelski Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Varna Posts: 470	Originally posted by ogl It seems to me...K-r has new Samsung sensor How many Pixels? I know you stated 12MP before. They do have a patent for a 12MP chip with 8fps. This would be very exciting. How sure are your out of 5. (1 being not sure)

09-03-2010, 05:30 AM	#506
Christopher M.W.T Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,689	Originally posted by ogl It seems to me...K-r has new Samsung sensor Doubtful, Pentax and Samsung have parted ways.

09-03-2010, 06:55 AM	#507
happygui Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: OHIO Posts: 211	Where is my k-5????? It has been too long.

09-03-2010, 06:59 AM	#508
glanglois Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madison, Wis., USA Posts: 1,506	Originally posted by Christopher M.W.T Doubtful, Pentax and Samsung have parted ways. What does that mean, Christopher? Are you suggesting that Hoya would not buy ICs from Samsung even if the price and product were right? That may be correct but I wonder how we'd know that.

09-03-2010, 07:04 AM	#509
Christopher M.W.T Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,689	Originally posted by glanglois What does that mean, Christopher? Are you suggesting that Hoya would not buy ICs from Samsung even if the price and product were right? That may be correct but I wonder how we'd know that. The way I'm seeing it now (going off what I've read) is that Hoya/Pentax fell out with Samsung for whatever reason. Going by the fact that they've used a Sony sensor (not Samung) for the K-x, Samsung dropping the k-mount, the K-5 using the new Sony exemor sensor it's only fair to say that Pentax at this time are exclusively dealing with Sony in the sensor department.... Then again it's just speculation until something is an official press release.

09-03-2010, 07:14 AM	#510
montecarlo Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 161	Originally posted by dotchoucou ... "The best lenses from Pentax are the kit lens (realtively to what the competition is offering) for the same price." What about all the limited DAs? Not that expensive with nice quality in APS-C. And the 17-70 SDM? And the 100mm macro? ... I think the the price tag/performance doesn't justify to buy the 17-70 SDM over sigma's 17-70, or over Tamron SP 17-50/f:2.8 ... the 100mm macro is expensive EVEN if doesn't have SDM (like nikon&canon), and SR (like nikon&cANON) ;-) Limiteds DA's are relatively ok... but MAYBE except 70/2.4 the rest are too expensive (for me) for their speed (f:2.8 ... 3.2 for 21mm and 4 for 15mm !!!)... true.. I like narrow DOF.. :-) I said that about the kit lens because it is so good (NON rotating fron element !!! , good optics, etc... for the price) that it is worth replacing only by a Tamron/sigma 18-50/2.8 or maybe sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5 .. or 35/1.8 like the DX lens from NIkon ... great lens BTW for the price ;-) ... same for 50/1.8 (canikon) ... lenses that pentax lacks.