Brief info about K-5 and KR

0144 · 08-28-2010, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by illdefined

i cant get drawn back into this all over again, just insures disappointment.

besides, the thing i would care about most in a hybrid viewfinder, a real-time histogram, is impossible with a mirror blocking the sensor. none of this translucent nonsense please.

77zone metering system gives 77 dots for histogram, if they could increase zones to several hundred and make up some fake points by interpolating zones nearby, they could make a decent histogram.

i don't think we'll see it in this generation though

glanglois · 08-28-2010, 03:39 PM

I think we'd need more than a few hundred points to get a histogram that's accurate within a few percentage points at each point on the horizontal axis and do so 97% of the time.

But then I don't remember enough math to model this. Anyone?

peter25 · 08-28-2010, 04:04 PM

Any idea of the size of the new K-R? Will it be the exact same size as the k-x? The k-x is just too small for me. In my hands it is just a little hard to reach all the controls and I don't feel like I get a good solid grip on it.

-Peter

clover · 08-28-2010, 04:35 PM

Probably between K-x and K-200d sizes

deadwolfbones · 08-28-2010, 04:52 PM

I'd guess exactly the same as the K-x, just as K-5 will be same as K-7

dotchoucou · 08-28-2010, 08:47 PM

For the K5, i guess if the sensor is the same as the K-x. That would explain why the number is going down and not up (7 >> 5).

Even if we all know here than the K-x sensor is better. Non specialists won't understand that a higher megapixel camera can be worse than a lower one.

So that's just makes sense so far. The K-5 would just be the exactly the same as the K7 with the Kx sensor.

So I don't expect any improvement in the AF for the K-5.
I believe more in a K8 non full frame in a few months with a 16 or 18Mp sensor and an improved AF derived from the new safox chip, so still non FF.

This would be coherent regarding the numbers.

If Pentax release a FF, the number might be different to make the difference between expert (K7 or K5) and professional cameras.

What do you think?

Boris · 08-28-2010, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by dotchoucou

For the K5, i guess if the sensor is the same as the K-x. That would explain why the number is going down and not up (7 >> 5).

But from the film days, the smaller the number, the higher up in the hierarchy is the camera (PZ-1 > PZ-10, or MZ-3 > MZ-5 > MZ-6, etc)...

ogl · 08-29-2010, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by dotchoucou

So that's just makes sense so far. The K-5 would just be the exactly the same as the K7 with the Kx sensor.

So I don't expect any improvement in the AF for the K-5.

What do you think?

Funny..

K-5 will be with 16 MP sensor with better AF.

Christopher M.W.T · 08-29-2010, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Funny..

K-5 will be with 16 MP sensor with better AF.

And a few other niceties...

1080p video with manual control.

Dual SD slots

Reinforced glass on read LCD and top LCD.

Improved VF

7fps shooting.

blende8 · 08-29-2010, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by Christopher M.W.T

Improved VF

So, what is with the viewfinder?
Will we see some kind of EVF overlay?

Asahiflex · 08-29-2010, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by blende8

So, what is with the viewfinder?
Will we see some kind of EVF overlay?

Indeed, because there will not be a lot to improve otherwise. The K-7 already has a 100% viewfinder.

Supernaut · 08-29-2010, 02:21 AM

I remember that similar rumors were spread before the K-7 was released.

If you got plenty of beans CMWT, I see no harm in spilling a few

WerTicus · 08-29-2010, 02:36 AM

if he spills the beans he will lose all is powar.

Christopher M.W.T · 08-29-2010, 02:36 AM

Im not under any NDA's I just get fed info from different people, most of it is already on the forum.

I dont know much about the new VF other than the improvements relate to how the focus points are projected, it will apparently be similar to what Nikon and Sony does.

And oh yes, of there will be no in body focus motor :P hhahahahahaha

gazonk · 08-29-2010, 03:18 AM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

Indeed, because there will not be a lot to improve otherwise. The K-7 already has a 100% viewfinder.

Yes, but the magnification could be better.

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08-28-2010, 02:01 PM	#451
0144 Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Lithuania Posts: 38	Originally posted by illdefined i cant get drawn back into this all over again, just insures disappointment. besides, the thing i would care about most in a hybrid viewfinder, a real-time histogram, is impossible with a mirror blocking the sensor. none of this translucent nonsense please. 77zone metering system gives 77 dots for histogram, if they could increase zones to several hundred and make up some fake points by interpolating zones nearby, they could make a decent histogram. i don't think we'll see it in this generation though

08-28-2010, 03:39 PM	#452
glanglois Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madison, Wis., USA Posts: 1,506	I think we'd need more than a few hundred points to get a histogram that's accurate within a few percentage points at each point on the horizontal axis and do so 97% of the time. But then I don't remember enough math to model this. Anyone?

08-28-2010, 04:04 PM	#453
peter25 Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 16	Any idea of the size of the new K-R? Will it be the exact same size as the k-x? The k-x is just too small for me. In my hands it is just a little hard to reach all the controls and I don't feel like I get a good solid grip on it. -Peter

08-28-2010, 04:35 PM	#454
clover Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Near Paris Posts: 141	Probably between K-x and K-200d sizes

08-28-2010, 04:52 PM	#455
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: La Crescenta, CA Posts: 7,450	I'd guess exactly the same as the K-x, just as K-5 will be same as K-7

08-28-2010, 08:47 PM	#456
dotchoucou Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Marseille Photos: Gallery Posts: 26	For the K5, i guess if the sensor is the same as the K-x. That would explain why the number is going down and not up (7 >> 5). Even if we all know here than the K-x sensor is better. Non specialists won't understand that a higher megapixel camera can be worse than a lower one. So that's just makes sense so far. The K-5 would just be the exactly the same as the K7 with the Kx sensor. So I don't expect any improvement in the AF for the K-5. I believe more in a K8 non full frame in a few months with a 16 or 18Mp sensor and an improved AF derived from the new safox chip, so still non FF. This would be coherent regarding the numbers. If Pentax release a FF, the number might be different to make the difference between expert (K7 or K5) and professional cameras. What do you think?

08-28-2010, 11:02 PM	#457
Boris Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Israel Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 932	Originally posted by dotchoucou For the K5, i guess if the sensor is the same as the K-x. That would explain why the number is going down and not up (7 >> 5). But from the film days, the smaller the number, the higher up in the hierarchy is the camera (PZ-1 > PZ-10, or MZ-3 > MZ-5 > MZ-6, etc)...

08-29-2010, 01:36 AM	#458
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	Originally posted by dotchoucou So that's just makes sense so far. The K-5 would just be the exactly the same as the K7 with the Kx sensor. So I don't expect any improvement in the AF for the K-5. What do you think? Funny.. K-5 will be with 16 MP sensor with better AF.

08-29-2010, 01:44 AM	#459
Christopher M.W.T Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,689	Originally posted by ogl Funny.. K-5 will be with 16 MP sensor with better AF. And a few other niceties... 1080p video with manual control. Dual SD slots Reinforced glass on read LCD and top LCD. Improved VF 7fps shooting.

08-29-2010, 01:58 AM	#460
blende8 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bremen, Germany Photos: Albums Posts: 1,521	Originally posted by Christopher M.W.T Improved VF So, what is with the viewfinder? Will we see some kind of EVF overlay?

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08-29-2010, 02:18 AM	#461
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	Originally posted by blende8 So, what is with the viewfinder? Will we see some kind of EVF overlay? Indeed, because there will not be a lot to improve otherwise. The K-7 already has a 100% viewfinder.

08-29-2010, 02:21 AM	#462
Supernaut Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: West Coast , Sweden Posts: 467	I remember that similar rumors were spread before the K-7 was released. If you got plenty of beans CMWT, I see no harm in spilling a few

08-29-2010, 02:36 AM	#463
WerTicus Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Perth Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,514	if he spills the beans he will lose all is powar.

08-29-2010, 02:36 AM	#464
Christopher M.W.T Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,689	Im not under any NDA's I just get fed info from different people, most of it is already on the forum. I dont know much about the new VF other than the improvements relate to how the focus points are projected, it will apparently be similar to what Nikon and Sony does. And oh yes, of there will be no in body focus motor :P hhahahahahaha

08-29-2010, 03:18 AM	#465
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by Asahiflex Indeed, because there will not be a lot to improve otherwise. The K-7 already has a 100% viewfinder. Yes, but the magnification could be better.