KR What's new for k-x users?

yusuf · 08-22-2010, 09:29 PM

Would it be even worth upgrading? Most people wont care for FPS. If it's the same sensor, the only missing features in k-x are focus points and the weather proofing. So unless the KR body is weatherproof, IMO, price may not be justified.

or am I missing something?

philbaum · 08-22-2010, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by yusuf

Would it be even worth upgrading? Most people wont care for FPS. If it's the same sensor, the only missing features in k-x are focus points and the weather proofing. So unless the KR body is weatherproof, IMO, price may not be justified.

or am I missing something?

I don't think anyone knows except those under NDAs. Pentax appears to be playing the same silly game with tiny bits of information "leaked" by them.

But i agree with you, I was hoping for an enhanced Kx with a quiet shutter. The high iso is useful for event photography, but some venues are not friendly to loud shutters. Adding to the frame rate seems often to result in noisy cameras, not to mention blurred images - good luck Kr.

Jasvox · 08-23-2010, 12:06 AM

With the rumors which have been leaked about each body, how can anyone possibly be making decisions like this at this point? The info leaked (is it even accurate?) only gives us iso, fps and pixel count...says nothing about the finer details of a camera body which will make not only those features usable or not, but more about the overall features-set of the cameras which are due for release in the near future.
Id say sight tight, let the bodies hit the market and see what the real-world tells us about these bodies, not the rumor mill and arbitrary numbers that seem to be thrown around.

Jason

gazonk · 08-23-2010, 12:15 AM

My guess: the R is for WR

alexfoto · 08-23-2010, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by yusuf

Would it be even worth upgrading? Most people wont care for FPS. If it's the same sensor, the only missing features in k-x are focus points and the weather proofing. So unless the KR body is weatherproof, IMO, price may not be justified.

or am I missing something?

I'm agree but if is possible i would like add even three other things:
- more silence shoot (as happen on the k7)
- front/back focus regulation on camera (yes i known that other entry-level don't have this feauture but i think should be put on every reflex and don't cost add this functionality)
- the same AF present now on the k7 (for the moment the k-x use the same AF present on k20d).

thibs · 08-23-2010, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by alexfoto

- the same AF present now on the k7 (for the moment the k-x use the same AF present on k20d).

I think the only reason the K-x is officially SAFOX VIII and not VIII+ is the lack of WB sensor used in K7 to compensate for WB when AFing and/or AF illuminator.

The AF system itself (speed/accuracy) is on par if not better than K-7, if reports on this forum and others are accurate.

jeallen01 · 08-23-2010, 11:16 AM

And
- replace those damned AA batteries with a proper lithium-ion battery - I carry a couple of rechargeables for the GX-10, and they take up no more space than 4xAA, yet last a whole lot longer and are much cheaper overall
- Illuminate the focus points (which I understand are not currently illuminated) - I use that a lot, especially when photographing aircraft

Those are the two main reasons why I would not consider a Kx, much as I like the rest of its features.

agsy · 08-23-2010, 12:40 PM

I personally don't mind the AA's, i would love to have a quiter shutter however. I also miss the TAv mode on Kx. A better LCD, possibly a tilt-swivel, faster live view focusing, faster flash sync and HDMI port would be nice. If all these features will be present on the Kr, I will be very tempted to upgrade.

glanglois · 08-23-2010, 12:53 PM

Drat! I forgot how much I miss the TAv mode until this post. Drat. And as a Pentax exclusive (??), it would help with the competitive positioning.

AF illuminator and, of course, AF points.

That's about it, I think. Until someone suggests something good but non-video.

We'll get more, I'm sure. Especially in video - a medium of which I'm hopeless ignorant.

taiweitai · 08-23-2010, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by agsy

I personally don't mind the AA's, i would love to have a quiter shutter however. I also miss the TAv mode on Kx. A better LCD, possibly a tilt-swivel, faster live view focusing, faster flash sync and HDMI port would be nice. If all these features will be present on the Kr, I will be very tempted to upgrade.

Totally agreed, but doesn't it sounds like we are turning K-r into a T2i clone now......?

The customizable color option was the key success to the K-x, kinda opened a "new" realm for the current dslr market....but just looking at the K-r spec, it just sounds like new dog old trick for many, i suspected

opiedog · 08-23-2010, 01:55 PM

At a minimum:

f2.8 center point AF and working predictive AFC

Icing on the cake:
quieter shutter
GRIP GRIP GRIP
wired remote and ext mike jack
AF adjust even for 5 lenses would be sweet
af illumination points (for those who need it)
AF in video

leave those AA's in. option for LiIon would be good

zackspeed · 08-23-2010, 05:20 PM

and 889$

andi · 08-23-2010, 06:37 PM

get rid of AAA batteries, I didn't get K-x because of that.
Sounds really silly these days...

SMPhoto · 08-23-2010, 06:41 PM

The ONLY way I'll upgrade to a KR is if it has:

Improved AF
(obviously) ISO performance equal to or exceeding the K-x
Battery Grip
Cable remote/flash sync jack
Bigger and/or tilting screen
Dedicated RAW/ISO buttons

And while WR wouldn't be a make or break, it would certainly be nice.
I'll probably just get a K-7 since the price will most likely drop, though.

zackspeed · 08-23-2010, 07:27 PM

has k-7 af,same sensor type but newer version,is faster and not only aa available.
more is spec

ahh...and have a nice,correct price

08-22-2010, 09:29 PM	#1
yusuf Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Palo Alto, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,497	KR What's new for k-x users? Would it be even worth upgrading? Most people wont care for FPS. If it's the same sensor, the only missing features in k-x are focus points and the weather proofing. So unless the KR body is weatherproof, IMO, price may not be justified. or am I missing something?

08-23-2010, 12:40 PM	#8
agsy Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Florida Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 551	Kr Upgrade from Kx I personally don't mind the AA's, i would love to have a quiter shutter however. I also miss the TAv mode on Kx. A better LCD, possibly a tilt-swivel, faster live view focusing, faster flash sync and HDMI port would be nice. If all these features will be present on the Kr, I will be very tempted to upgrade.

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08-22-2010, 10:22 PM	#2
philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659	Originally posted by yusuf Would it be even worth upgrading? Most people wont care for FPS. If it's the same sensor, the only missing features in k-x are focus points and the weather proofing. So unless the KR body is weatherproof, IMO, price may not be justified. or am I missing something? I don't think anyone knows except those under NDAs. Pentax appears to be playing the same silly game with tiny bits of information "leaked" by them. But i agree with you, I was hoping for an enhanced Kx with a quiet shutter. The high iso is useful for event photography, but some venues are not friendly to loud shutters. Adding to the frame rate seems often to result in noisy cameras, not to mention blurred images - good luck Kr.

08-23-2010, 12:06 AM	#3
Jasvox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,107	With the rumors which have been leaked about each body, how can anyone possibly be making decisions like this at this point? The info leaked (is it even accurate?) only gives us iso, fps and pixel count...says nothing about the finer details of a camera body which will make not only those features usable or not, but more about the overall features-set of the cameras which are due for release in the near future. Id say sight tight, let the bodies hit the market and see what the real-world tells us about these bodies, not the rumor mill and arbitrary numbers that seem to be thrown around. Jason

08-23-2010, 12:15 AM	#4
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	My guess: the R is for WR

08-23-2010, 12:40 AM	#5
alexfoto Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Italy Photos: Albums Posts: 182	Originally posted by yusuf Would it be even worth upgrading? Most people wont care for FPS. If it's the same sensor, the only missing features in k-x are focus points and the weather proofing. So unless the KR body is weatherproof, IMO, price may not be justified. or am I missing something? I'm agree but if is possible i would like add even three other things: - more silence shoot (as happen on the k7) - front/back focus regulation on camera (yes i known that other entry-level don't have this feauture but i think should be put on every reflex and don't cost add this functionality) - the same AF present now on the k7 (for the moment the k-x use the same AF present on k20d).

08-23-2010, 01:59 AM	#6
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by alexfoto - the same AF present now on the k7 (for the moment the k-x use the same AF present on k20d). I think the only reason the K-x is officially SAFOX VIII and not VIII+ is the lack of WB sensor used in K7 to compensate for WB when AFing and/or AF illuminator. The AF system itself (speed/accuracy) is on par if not better than K-7, if reports on this forum and others are accurate.

08-23-2010, 11:16 AM	#7
jeallen01 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2008 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,697	And - replace those damned AA batteries with a proper lithium-ion battery - I carry a couple of rechargeables for the GX-10, and they take up no more space than 4xAA, yet last a whole lot longer and are much cheaper overall - Illuminate the focus points (which I understand are not currently illuminated) - I use that a lot, especially when photographing aircraft Those are the two main reasons why I would not consider a Kx, much as I like the rest of its features.

08-23-2010, 12:53 PM	#9
glanglois Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madison, Wis., USA Posts: 1,506	Drat! I forgot how much I miss the TAv mode until this post. Drat. And as a Pentax exclusive (??), it would help with the competitive positioning. AF illuminator and, of course, AF points. That's about it, I think. Until someone suggests something good but non-video. We'll get more, I'm sure. Especially in video - a medium of which I'm hopeless ignorant.

08-23-2010, 12:57 PM	#10
taiweitai Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: HI Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 168	Originally posted by agsy I personally don't mind the AA's, i would love to have a quiter shutter however. I also miss the TAv mode on Kx. A better LCD, possibly a tilt-swivel, faster live view focusing, faster flash sync and HDMI port would be nice. If all these features will be present on the Kr, I will be very tempted to upgrade. Totally agreed, but doesn't it sounds like we are turning K-r into a T2i clone now......? The customizable color option was the key success to the K-x, kinda opened a "new" realm for the current dslr market....but just looking at the K-r spec, it just sounds like new dog old trick for many, i suspected

08-23-2010, 01:55 PM	#11
opiedog Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NC Posts: 787	At a minimum: f2.8 center point AF and working predictive AFC Icing on the cake: quieter shutter GRIP GRIP GRIP wired remote and ext mike jack AF adjust even for 5 lenses would be sweet af illumination points (for those who need it) AF in video leave those AA's in. option for LiIon would be good

08-23-2010, 05:20 PM	#12
zackspeed Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 527	and 889$

08-23-2010, 06:37 PM	#13
andi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 200	get rid of AAA batteries, I didn't get K-x because of that. Sounds really silly these days...

08-23-2010, 06:41 PM	#14
SMPhoto Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Photos: Gallery Posts: 185	The ONLY way I'll upgrade to a KR is if it has: Improved AF (obviously) ISO performance equal to or exceeding the K-x Battery Grip Cable remote/flash sync jack Bigger and/or tilting screen Dedicated RAW/ISO buttons And while WR wouldn't be a make or break, it would certainly be nice. I'll probably just get a K-7 since the price will most likely drop, though.

08-23-2010, 07:27 PM	#15
zackspeed Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 527	has k-7 af,same sensor type but newer version,is faster and not only aa available. more is spec ahh...and have a nice,correct price