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pinholecam · 09-06-2010, 05:34 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Slow APS-C lens - is it what we want? it's ridiculously....Everyone can afford FA35/2 for USD250, but marketing killed this lens.

Pentaxian need fast WR prime of 28-30 and cheap 50 mm lens and non-expensive 85/2.
The competitors can offer cheap 35/1.8, 50/1.8, 85/1.8 (85/2)...What about Pentax?

Slow DA35/2.4, DA35/2.8, DA40/2.8, non-cheap DA*55/1.4....Hmmmmm.

Dead FA35/2 and FA50/1.4

Hmmm..If it's true, it's marketing idiocy of Hoya.

maybe 16.5-135?

yes...such WR zoom could be very good

I'd have to agree on this one.
I'm a 'Pentax pusher' in the local forums and I just loose newbies when cheap primes are mentioned. Yes, we know Pentax has a great entry level Kx and better quality primes ... yahda.. yadah...
But when newbies hear that there are cheap PRIMES, faster than kit lenses (regardless of f-stop) and they can produce 'BOKEH' type shots (the often used terminology) :ugh: ; They immediately say bye bye to considering Pentax and make a beeline for Canikon.

ogl · 09-06-2010, 05:43 AM

maybe...there is tragic mistake in rumors....

Not 35 mm, but 30 mm focal length.

DA30/2.4 is good. Cheap DA30/2.4 and expensive 31/1.8 are good offer.

Let's wait and see

Pablom · 09-06-2010, 05:53 AM

did you all hear these rumors from the greengrocer or is there any basis to it?

LFLee · 09-06-2010, 06:45 AM

Hm... why can't they just reproduce the FA35/2 ? add WR? and sell it around 300? that is a great lens!

ewalk · 09-06-2010, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by LFLee

Hm... why can't they just reproduce the FA35/2 ? add WR? and sell it around 300? that is a great lens!

I think Hoya/Pentax wants to compete with the recently released Nikon and Sony cheap 35mm (50mm equivalent) primes around $200. I'd be really, really surprised if the new 30mm-35mm prime from Pentax is over $249.

**Rorschach** · 09-06-2010, 07:07 AM

Originally posted by twitch

What would be interesting would be a 24-120 F4 like Nikon has. I'll bet a 18-125 will be an average quality, slow, 3.5-5.6ish lens.

As long as it is WR and the price is right, I would buy it. The 18-55 is otherwise very good for my needs but more reach would be needed for travel purposes. The same for bad weather / dustyconditions when changing lenses all the time is not an option.

PrimeObjectif · 09-06-2010, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by Christopher M.W.T

What I'd rather see is a WR & * quality flash unit.

That to me would just complete and fix the weak link in the Pentax chain.

THE FLASH! ThE DAMN FLASH!

Ever see what happens when you use a flash in the rain? :P

glanglois · 09-06-2010, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by Boucicaut

As long as it is WR and the price is right, I would buy it. The 18-55 is otherwise very good for my needs but more reach would be needed for travel purposes. The same for bad weather / dustyconditions when changing lenses all the time is not an option.

Just what he said.

rustynail925 · 09-06-2010, 07:42 AM

Why not a 35 f1.8 ?

Asahiflex · 09-06-2010, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by rustynail925

Why not a 35 f1.8 ?

Because it will kill FA31 sales...

ewalk · 09-06-2010, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

Because it will kill FA31 sales...

That and price - I'm going to guess that reusing some of the 35mm f/2 optics would be far more cost-effective than using a brand new design.

Also, I've heard reports that the new DA 30/35 is going to be fairly compact and light, something that an f/1.8 lens is unlikely to be.

Christopher M.W.T · 09-06-2010, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by PrimeObjectif

Ever see what happens when you use a flash in the rain? :P

Lol yes.

But more to the point, you want to be able to use the flash and not worry about it shattering because it's so unbelievably fragile.

Go play with a Canon 580 EXii, it's about the same price and specs as the 540fgz but blows it away in terms of build quality, it feels tough and solid by comparison.

Urkeldaedalus · 09-06-2010, 08:50 AM

F/2.4 is not that much slower than f/2. I would agree a f/2.4 would be a strange number to settle for on a 35 mm lens, but if they did it in order to make the lens:

a. Perform well wide open
b. Cheap
c. Very small.

It will still sell well.

ogl · 09-06-2010, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by Urkeldaedalus

F/2.4 is not that much slower than f/2. I would agree a f/2.4 would be a strange number to settle for on a 35 mm lens, but if they did it in order to make the lens:

a. Perform well wide open
b. Cheap
c. Very small.

It will still sell well.

I prefer DA30/2.4 than 35/2.4

PrimeObjectif · 09-06-2010, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by Christopher M.W.T

Lol yes.

But more to the point, you want to be able to use the flash and not worry about it shattering because it's so unbelievably fragile.

Go play with a Canon 580 EXii, it's about the same price and specs as the 540fgz but blows it away in terms of build quality, it feels tough and solid by comparison.

Good point.

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09-06-2010, 05:34 AM	#31
pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,710	Originally posted by ogl Slow APS-C lens - is it what we want? it's ridiculously....Everyone can afford FA35/2 for USD250, but marketing killed this lens. Pentaxian need fast WR prime of 28-30 and cheap 50 mm lens and non-expensive 85/2. The competitors can offer cheap 35/1.8, 50/1.8, 85/1.8 (85/2)...What about Pentax? Slow DA35/2.4, DA35/2.8, DA40/2.8, non-cheap DA55/1.4....Hmmmmm. Dead FA35/2 and FA50/1.4 Hmmm..If it's true, it's marketing idiocy of Hoya. maybe 16.5-135? yes...such WR zoom could be very good I'd have to agree on this one. I'm a 'Pentax pusher'* in the local forums and I just loose newbies when cheap primes are mentioned. Yes, we know Pentax has a great entry level Kx and better quality primes ... yahda.. yadah... But when newbies hear that there are cheap PRIMES, faster than kit lenses (regardless of f-stop) and they can produce 'BOKEH' type shots (the often used terminology) :ugh: ; They immediately say bye bye to considering Pentax and make a beeline for Canikon.

09-06-2010, 05:43 AM	#32
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	maybe...there is tragic mistake in rumors.... Not 35 mm, but 30 mm focal length. DA30/2.4 is good. Cheap DA30/2.4 and expensive 31/1.8 are good offer. Let's wait and see

09-06-2010, 05:53 AM	#33
Pablom Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Usa Posts: 1,940	did you all hear these rumors from the greengrocer or is there any basis to it?

09-06-2010, 06:45 AM	#34
LFLee Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,292	Hm... why can't they just reproduce the FA35/2 ? add WR? and sell it around 300? that is a great lens!

09-06-2010, 06:54 AM	#35
ewalk Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 316	Originally posted by LFLee Hm... why can't they just reproduce the FA35/2 ? add WR? and sell it around 300? that is a great lens! I think Hoya/Pentax wants to compete with the recently released Nikon and Sony cheap 35mm (50mm equivalent) primes around $200. I'd be really, really surprised if the new 30mm-35mm prime from Pentax is over $249.

09-06-2010, 07:07 AM	#36
Rorschach Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kuusamo, Finland Photos: Gallery Posts: 652	Originally posted by twitch What would be interesting would be a 24-120 F4 like Nikon has. I'll bet a 18-125 will be an average quality, slow, 3.5-5.6ish lens. As long as it is WR and the price is right, I would buy it. The 18-55 is otherwise very good for my needs but more reach would be needed for travel purposes. The same for bad weather / dustyconditions when changing lenses all the time is not an option.

09-06-2010, 07:10 AM	#37
PrimeObjectif Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New York Photos: Albums Posts: 599	Originally posted by Christopher M.W.T What I'd rather see is a WR & * quality flash unit. That to me would just complete and fix the weak link in the Pentax chain. THE FLASH! ThE DAMN FLASH! Ever see what happens when you use a flash in the rain? :P

09-06-2010, 07:41 AM	#38
glanglois Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madison, Wis., USA Posts: 1,506	Originally posted by Boucicaut As long as it is WR and the price is right, I would buy it. The 18-55 is otherwise very good for my needs but more reach would be needed for travel purposes. The same for bad weather / dustyconditions when changing lenses all the time is not an option. Just what he said.

09-06-2010, 07:42 AM	#39
rustynail925 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,551	Why not a 35 f1.8 ?

09-06-2010, 07:52 AM	#40
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	Originally posted by rustynail925 Why not a 35 f1.8 ? Because it will kill FA31 sales...

09-06-2010, 08:11 AM	#41
ewalk Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 316	Originally posted by Asahiflex Because it will kill FA31 sales... That and price - I'm going to guess that reusing some of the 35mm f/2 optics would be far more cost-effective than using a brand new design. Also, I've heard reports that the new DA 30/35 is going to be fairly compact and light, something that an f/1.8 lens is unlikely to be.

09-06-2010, 08:22 AM	#42
Christopher M.W.T Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,689	Originally posted by PrimeObjectif Ever see what happens when you use a flash in the rain? :P Lol yes. But more to the point, you want to be able to use the flash and not worry about it shattering because it's so unbelievably fragile. Go play with a Canon 580 EXii, it's about the same price and specs as the 540fgz but blows it away in terms of build quality, it feels tough and solid by comparison.

09-06-2010, 08:50 AM	#43
Urkeldaedalus Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Iowa Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,369	F/2.4 is not that much slower than f/2. I would agree a f/2.4 would be a strange number to settle for on a 35 mm lens, but if they did it in order to make the lens: a. Perform well wide open b. Cheap c. Very small. It will still sell well.

09-06-2010, 08:54 AM	#44
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Urkeldaedalus F/2.4 is not that much slower than f/2. I would agree a f/2.4 would be a strange number to settle for on a 35 mm lens, but if they did it in order to make the lens: a. Perform well wide open b. Cheap c. Very small. It will still sell well. I prefer DA30/2.4 than 35/2.4

09-06-2010, 08:56 AM	#45
PrimeObjectif Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New York Photos: Albums Posts: 599	Originally posted by Christopher M.W.T Lol yes. But more to the point, you want to be able to use the flash and not worry about it shattering because it's so unbelievably fragile. Go play with a Canon 580 EXii, it's about the same price and specs as the 540fgz but blows it away in terms of build quality, it feels tough and solid by comparison. Good point.

If the new lenses are really the 35mm and the 18-125mm

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