More K-r Specs

lol101 · 09-06-2010, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by ilya80

Adam,

If you dont mind me asking, arent you totally and completely burning this persons "cover" posting this?

I had the same impression... but maybe these infos were not under NDA and were given to this person with the green light by Pentax to exfiltrate?

eurostar · 09-06-2010, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by ilya80

Adam,

If you dont mind me asking, arent you totally and completely burning this persons "cover" posting this?

My first though reading this topic...

Steelski · 09-06-2010, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by lol101

I had the same impression... but maybe these infos were not under NDA and were given to this person with the green light by Pentax to exfiltrate?

I would imganine that we are at the stage where sales are not to be impacted and viral marketing and buzz are going to play a part.

yusuf · 09-06-2010, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by Adam

So, from this, we can take that the K-r will have the following:

Native rechargeable battery support as well as optional insert for AA batteries
Focusing points in viewfinder

probably doesn't give me enough reasons to upgrade from k-x to k-r at launch price. But I have resisted k-7 so far so k-5 seems to be a way to go.

deltoidjohn · 09-06-2010, 03:06 AM

My biggest gripe about the K-X was the lack of a grip - partly because I use the video mode a lot and hate the batteries running out so quick. I know it's pretty crazy to expect a grip for such a small, cheap camera, but if you look at it another way it seems crazy not to have a grip for such a well endowed, over-achieving camera. If the K-r has a grip and the video mode is still 24p mjpeg, I'll be very interested - though I'll let the dust settle a little before upgrading.

ogl · 09-06-2010, 03:13 AM

Originally posted by Adam

Native rechargeable battery support as well as optional insert for AA batteries

I think special adapter for AA like in EI-2000 or in SFX

mattdm · 09-06-2010, 06:18 AM

Originally posted by silverknight

interested to know how much the kx price is going to drop once this hits- $50? $80? that would make the kx a great bargain too.

The K-x is already an amazing bargain.

Based on past history, I don't expect the price will go down much more. In fact, it might even go up a bit as the last stock goes off shelves.

LFLee · 09-06-2010, 06:31 AM

...there is a cool, unique feature about the K-r that will help really differentiate it from the K-x; it will natively accept a lithium-ion battery but with an insert will also accommodate AA batteries. No grip will be required and a query of available grip to the Pentax rep was met with complete silence...

--- This is exactly what I suggested when K-7 came out!

a battery compartment that accept both AA and dedicated battery / a dedicated battery that have the shape of two AA batteries putting side by side. Thanks Pentax! if this is real, I will get the K-5 when it come out!

Gimbal · 09-06-2010, 06:41 AM

Originally posted by LFLee

...there is a cool, unique feature about the K-r that will help really differentiate it from the K-x; it will natively accept a lithium-ion battery but with an insert will also accommodate AA batteries. !

If that is the coolest feature of the new Pentaxes then call me disappointed.

jimr-pdx · 09-06-2010, 08:50 AM

I'd been grousing about this for years, but not to Pentax - had the K100d even had an insert to hold four AAs as a single unit I would have been happy. I had contemplated duct-taping four together so they would be a single unit, but it probably would have been too tight a fit.

I went with the A200 instead, but came back when the K-7 was a deal/steal in July. I was just a feature or so away from getting that k100d, and then I would not have sold my 40M pancake to get Alpha-mount lenses

glanglois · 09-06-2010, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by silverknight

interested to know how much the kx price is going to drop once this hits- $50? $80? that would make the kx a great bargain too.

K-X = bargain right now and the market recognizes that.

I've argued elsewhere on the forum that the K-X should stay on the market at roughly the existing price because:

* It is properly valued at that price. More than one reviewer has called it a steal.

* It will not, then, compete with new K-? at USD $700-$800 (street price after initial sales flurry).

* Compact size, lots of colors, and high ISO will appeal to beginners to whom AF points are a mystery in any case.

* It can move to big box stores by the pallet-load with a nice intro kit. Maybe try the K-M scheme and add a flash. Imagine a pallet or two at the end of the Walmart/Costco aisle. Just as Nikon did with the D40 after a while. They sold a pile of cameras and locked more users into Nikon.

Can't wait to see how this rolls out as the year comes to an end .....

telfish · 09-06-2010, 10:28 AM

With the D90 coming to an end I am thinking Sony will discontinue the 12 mp sensor used in the KX anyway. So it may not be possible for Pentax to retain the KX in the lineup even if they wanted to.

Pentax I am fairly certain do not move enough units to persuade Sony to keep on making the sensor.

climit · 09-06-2010, 11:03 AM

Pentax cameras cannot be part of such conventional categorization. For example the k-x with:

- 1/6000 max shutter speed
- 12800 max iso
- 100000 certified shutter releases

is at least "Tier 3" in your categorization while k10D, K20D "Tier 2" naturally.
You see?

Originally posted by Steelski

If we have a Grip, Then its above entry level!!!
I think the K-x will stay there and get cheaper and cheaper. Like the Nikon D40......That camera lasted many years, which is a LONG TIME in digital.

Pentax could go to a 4 tier 24 month renewal schedule similar to Nikon.
Tier 1 : D40, D40x, D3000, D3100 Ist* DL, K110, K100, K-m/2000, K-x
Tier 2 : D50, D60, D5000 Ist* DS, K200, K-r
Tier 3 : D70, D80, D90, D7000 Ist* D , K10D, K20D, K-7
Tier 4 : D100, D200, D300s K-5 (the first Pentax camera in this category since MZ-S)
Tier 4.5: D700, D2h,
Tier 5 D2x, D3, D3x,

Steelski · 09-06-2010, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by climit

Pentax cameras cannot be part of such conventional categorization. For example the k-x with:

- 1/6000 max shutter speed
- 12800 max iso
- 100000 certified shutter releases

is at least "Tier 3" in your categorization while k10D, K20D "Tier 2" naturally.
You see?

Some Compact cameras have a ISO of 6400 and a sync speed of 1/2000th of a second.

Steelski · 09-06-2010, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by telfish

With the D90 coming to an end I am thinking Sony will discontinue the 12 mp sensor used in the KX anyway. So it may not be possible for Pentax to retain the KX in the lineup even if they wanted to.

Pentax I am fairly certain do not move enough units to persuade Sony to keep on making the sensor.

Because supply suddenly dries up.
Oh wait, Sony also make cameras, as do Leica and Ricoh. So thats 4 companies that use a well established sensor.......

Your right, when Nikon stop using it, it becomes redundant.

09-06-2010, 02:44 AM	#19
yusuf Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Palo Alto, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,497	Originally posted by Adam So, from this, we can take that the K-r will have the following: Native rechargeable battery support as well as optional insert for AA batteries Focusing points in viewfinder probably doesn't give me enough reasons to upgrade from k-x to k-r at launch price. But I have resisted k-7 so far so k-5 seems to be a way to go.

09-06-2010, 03:13 AM	#21
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Adam Native rechargeable battery support as well as optional insert for AA batteries I think special adapter for AA like in EI-2000 or in SFX

09-06-2010, 08:50 AM	#25
jimr-pdx Pentaxian Join Date: May 2010 Location: now 1 hour north of PDX Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,897	yay.. and drat.. re. AA/Li+ I'd been grousing about this for years, but not to Pentax - had the K100d even had an insert to hold four AAs as a single unit I would have been happy. I had contemplated duct-taping four together so they would be a single unit, but it probably would have been too tight a fit. I went with the A200 instead, but came back when the K-7 was a deal/steal in July. I was just a feature or so away from getting that k100d, and then I would not have sold my 40M pancake to get Alpha-mount lenses

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09-06-2010, 01:50 AM	#16
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by ilya80 Adam, If you dont mind me asking, arent you totally and completely burning this persons "cover" posting this? I had the same impression... but maybe these infos were not under NDA and were given to this person with the green light by Pentax to exfiltrate?

09-06-2010, 01:52 AM	#17
eurostar Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albareto, Italy Photos: Gallery Posts: 819	Originally posted by ilya80 Adam, If you dont mind me asking, arent you totally and completely burning this persons "cover" posting this? My first though reading this topic...

09-06-2010, 01:58 AM	#18
Steelski Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Varna Posts: 470	Originally posted by lol101 I had the same impression... but maybe these infos were not under NDA and were given to this person with the green light by Pentax to exfiltrate? I would imganine that we are at the stage where sales are not to be impacted and viral marketing and buzz are going to play a part.

09-06-2010, 03:06 AM	#20
deltoidjohn Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gold Coast, QLD Posts: 88	My biggest gripe about the K-X was the lack of a grip - partly because I use the video mode a lot and hate the batteries running out so quick. I know it's pretty crazy to expect a grip for such a small, cheap camera, but if you look at it another way it seems crazy not to have a grip for such a well endowed, over-achieving camera. If the K-r has a grip and the video mode is still 24p mjpeg, I'll be very interested - though I'll let the dust settle a little before upgrading.

09-06-2010, 06:18 AM	#22
mattdm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,948	Originally posted by silverknight interested to know how much the kx price is going to drop once this hits- $50? $80? that would make the kx a great bargain too. The K-x is already an amazing bargain. Based on past history, I don't expect the price will go down much more. In fact, it might even go up a bit as the last stock goes off shelves.

09-06-2010, 06:31 AM	#23
LFLee Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,292	...there is a cool, unique feature about the K-r that will help really differentiate it from the K-x; it will natively accept a lithium-ion battery but with an insert will also accommodate AA batteries. No grip will be required and a query of available grip to the Pentax rep was met with complete silence... --- This is exactly what I suggested when K-7 came out! a battery compartment that accept both AA and dedicated battery / a dedicated battery that have the shape of two AA batteries putting side by side. Thanks Pentax! if this is real, I will get the K-5 when it come out!

09-06-2010, 06:41 AM	#24
Gimbal Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,106	Originally posted by LFLee ...there is a cool, unique feature about the K-r that will help really differentiate it from the K-x; it will natively accept a lithium-ion battery but with an insert will also accommodate AA batteries. ! If that is the coolest feature of the new Pentaxes then call me disappointed.

09-06-2010, 09:58 AM	#26
glanglois Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madison, Wis., USA Posts: 1,506	Originally posted by silverknight interested to know how much the kx price is going to drop once this hits- $50? $80? that would make the kx a great bargain too. K-X = bargain right now and the market recognizes that. I've argued elsewhere on the forum that the K-X should stay on the market at roughly the existing price because: * It is properly valued at that price. More than one reviewer has called it a steal. * It will not, then, compete with new K-? at USD $700-$800 (street price after initial sales flurry). * Compact size, lots of colors, and high ISO will appeal to beginners to whom AF points are a mystery in any case. * It can move to big box stores by the pallet-load with a nice intro kit. Maybe try the K-M scheme and add a flash. Imagine a pallet or two at the end of the Walmart/Costco aisle. Just as Nikon did with the D40 after a while. They sold a pile of cameras and locked more users into Nikon. Can't wait to see how this rolls out as the year comes to an end .....

09-06-2010, 10:28 AM	#27
telfish Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NY Posts: 407	With the D90 coming to an end I am thinking Sony will discontinue the 12 mp sensor used in the KX anyway. So it may not be possible for Pentax to retain the KX in the lineup even if they wanted to. Pentax I am fairly certain do not move enough units to persuade Sony to keep on making the sensor.

09-06-2010, 11:03 AM	#28
climit Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Kalamata Posts: 224	Pentax cameras cannot be part of such conventional categorization. For example the k-x with: - 1/6000 max shutter speed - 12800 max iso - 100000 certified shutter releases is at least "Tier 3" in your categorization while k10D, K20D "Tier 2" naturally. You see? Originally posted by Steelski If we have a Grip, Then its above entry level!!! I think the K-x will stay there and get cheaper and cheaper. Like the Nikon D40......That camera lasted many years, which is a LONG TIME in digital. Pentax could go to a 4 tier 24 month renewal schedule similar to Nikon. Tier 1 : D40, D40x, D3000, D3100 Ist* DL, K110, K100, K-m/2000, K-x Tier 2 : D50, D60, D5000 Ist* DS, K200, K-r Tier 3 : D70, D80, D90, D7000 Ist* D , K10D, K20D, K-7 Tier 4 : D100, D200, D300s K-5 (the first Pentax camera in this category since MZ-S) Tier 4.5: D700, D2h, Tier 5 D2x, D3, D3x,

09-06-2010, 11:30 AM	#29
Steelski Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Varna Posts: 470	Originally posted by climit Pentax cameras cannot be part of such conventional categorization. For example the k-x with: - 1/6000 max shutter speed - 12800 max iso - 100000 certified shutter releases is at least "Tier 3" in your categorization while k10D, K20D "Tier 2" naturally. You see? Some Compact cameras have a ISO of 6400 and a sync speed of 1/2000th of a second.

09-06-2010, 11:33 AM	#30
Steelski Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Varna Posts: 470	Originally posted by telfish With the D90 coming to an end I am thinking Sony will discontinue the 12 mp sensor used in the KX anyway. So it may not be possible for Pentax to retain the KX in the lineup even if they wanted to. Pentax I am fairly certain do not move enough units to persuade Sony to keep on making the sensor. Because supply suddenly dries up. Oh wait, Sony also make cameras, as do Leica and Ricoh. So thats 4 companies that use a well established sensor....... Your right, when Nikon stop using it, it becomes redundant.