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09-09-2010, 07:00 AM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by teogin Quote
Here is the Pentax policy...

First of all, every other company improves and presents flagship bodies. Pentax improves the entry level bodies, giving the impression of a small camera company. This is very nice for most of simple amateur photographers. But, I think that at last we have to see what Canon, Nikon and Sony gave to their customers. A FULL FRAME BODY.
And the fact that Pentax "gave their customers" the first real beyond-FF-DSLR besides the fantastic, but astronomically expensive, Leica S2 doesn't count? (yes, these are the first real MF DSLRs, the others are kludgy specialist's tools)

And there's no reason to believe that they won't "give" us more all metal water resistant lenses like the DFA 100 WR not long ago.


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Second, I cannot understand the plastic mount for the new lens.
So why don't you ignore this lens and buy one of all the full metal lenses that Pentax has in the near-normal range? FA31, FA43, DA40, DA35 Ltd. - pick your choice!

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If the new DA 35mm really has the same formula as the FA 35mm, many will rush to buy it in spite of the knee-jerk criticism.
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QuoteOriginally posted by gazonk Quote
So why don't you ignore this lens and buy one of all the full metal lenses that Pentax has in the near-normal range? FA31, FA43, DA40, DA35 Ltd. - pick your choice!
Exactly!
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The value of my FA35/2 just went down?

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The value of my FA35/2 just went down?
From the ridiculous "cult prices" maybe. Hysterical It never should have been much more than the $299 price anyway given the construction of the FA 50/35/28 prime series. However, it will still probably bring more than a new DA L.
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QuoteOriginally posted by teogin Quote
Second, I cannot understand the plastic mount for the new lens.
It's not plastic - it's polycarbonate. Polycarbonate is currently used for helmet visors of astronauts and space shuttle windshields. Compared to plastic, it looks better and has higher heat and impact resistance. Absolutely no reason not to use it, especially when it's not a big, heavy telephoto. It's likely responsible for a large part of the weight difference vs. the 35mm/2 FA.
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I'd like to say that DA35/2.4 could be optically a bit better than FA35 and more colourful.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Michael Barkowski Quote
It's not plastic - it's polycarbonate. Polycarbonate is currently used for helmet visors of astronauts and space shuttle windshields. Compared to plastic, it looks better and has higher heat and impact resistance. Absolutely no reason not to use it, especially when it's not a big, heavy telephoto. It's likely responsible for a large part of the weight difference vs. the 35mm/2 FA.
The removal of the aperture ring is part of the weight loss. Plastic is a generic term. Polycarbonate on the other hand is a tough versatile plastic used fin many applications such as bulletproof windows to compact disks (CDs) with the main advantage over other types of plastic being its unbeatable strength and light weight.

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Does the DA35 f2.4 cover full frame?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Belnan Quote
Does the DA35 f2.4 cover full frame?
The DA L 35/2.4 may cover full frame if it used the same elements from the FA 35/2. Pentax hasn't stated that it will and likely won't since they currently have no ff film or digital bodies on the market. With the lack of a aperture ring, it will make it of limited use on many older film bodies such as my MZ-3.

Edit: However, I may get one for use on the MZ-3 even though I wouldn't be able to do aperture priority I could still do shutter priority.

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Assuming the optics of this lens are identical to the FA35's, it's not inconceivable that the aperture is electronically-limited. Olympus 4/3 users with the 12-60 f2.8-4 have found that with the lens mounted but rotated slightly so that it's not locked in, it opens up to f2.0. Presumably Oly locked it out because they weren't happy with the performance at f2... or to prevent any cannibalizing of 14-35 sales.

I suppose the thing to do would be for someone to buy one and try it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Blue Quote
The removal of the aperture ring is part of the weight loss. Plastic is a generic term. Polycarbonate on the other hand is a tough versatile plastic used fin many applications such as bulletproof windows to compact disks (CDs) with the main advantage over other types of plastic being its unbeatable strength and light weight.
Even MF AF lenses now have no aperture ring. It's redundant to have aperture control both on the lens and in camera. It's really not about saving weight but about more moving parts that can break or are subject to assembly error.

Poly is a form of plastic. It has far better temperature and corrosion tolerances than most metals. It is durable and lightweight. The worst issue is to get the same strength polycarb generally needs more girth (volume).
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QuoteOriginally posted by Michael Barkowski Quote
It's not plastic - it's polycarbonate. Polycarbonate is currently used for helmet visors of astronauts and space shuttle windshields. Compared to plastic, it looks better and has higher heat and impact resistance. Absolutely no reason not to use it, especially when it's not a big, heavy telephoto. It's likely responsible for a large part of the weight difference vs. the 35mm/2 FA.
What are you talking about? Polycarbonate is a form of plastic.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Blue Quote
The DA L 35/2.4 may cover full frame if it used the same elements from the FA 35/2. Pentax hasn't stated that it will and likely won't since they currently have no ff film or digital bodies on the market. With the lack of a aperture ring, it will make it of limited use on many older film bodies such as my MZ-3.

Edit: However, I may get one for use on the MZ-3 even though I wouldn't be able to do aperture priority I could still do shutter priority.
The thing is it's not marked D-FA L. And the D-FA WR is named D-FA despite us not having film bodies in production. I suspect that Pentax did something to the lens formula that might make it different from FA 35.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ManuH Quote
If it's true it's the FA 35mm reloaded then it's an obvious attempt at crippling a feature for the sake of protecting their other lenses. Very short sighted IMHO.


It's lighter, cheaper, comes as a kit lens, is optimised for digital and is only a half-stop slower. What Pentax has done is given us a kit lens prime that will no doubt have excellent IQ and will absolutely blow away any other company's kit lens.

So what do people do? Complain.
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