My View of K-r

wll · 09-09-2010, 07:09 AM

I have many Pentax cameras, the latest being the K-x, which I love.

There were a few upgrades I would have liked, but no big deal .. then came the K-r

Well I think Pentax has a winner here !

1) an updated or new sensor of the same MP, I love the 25,600 ISO, and I hope DR is great too !
2) an improved AF layout with SAFOX 1X
3) Illuminated AF points
4) 6FPS
5) Both AA's and LiOn batteries (Yahoo)
6) 921k dot screen (very nice)
7) Images transferred thru infrared
8) HDR in camera alignment (what a great feature)
9) Faster AF
10) No more pre flash, infrared light for flash (it is about time)
11) And more features I forgot :- )

With this intro, I'm taking a serious look at what to get rid of in my Pentax arsonal, I first though want to see the quality of the camera !

Do I get rid of my K200D's although they are weather sealed, they are slow as molasses and the sensor is does not hold a candle to my K20D's, and they are not on the same planet as my K-x.

Hummmmmm ... what to do ?

wll

er1kksen · 09-09-2010, 08:06 AM

I agree. When they drop down to about $300 on the used market after a few years I'll probably pick one up to get back into digital.

mattdm · 09-09-2010, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by wll

10) No more pre flash, infrared light for flash (it is about time)

Hmmm. Where are you getting this from?

DogLover · 09-09-2010, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by mattdm

Hmmm. Where are you getting this from?

A dedicated AF assist lamp is listed in the specs on the other site. Plus, you can see it in the pics.

Rees · 09-09-2010, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by wll

I have many Pentax cameras, the latest being the K-x, which I love.

There were a few upgrades I would have liked, but no big deal .. then came the K-r

Well I think Pentax has a winner here !

1) an updated or new sensor of the same MP, I love the 25,600 ISO, and I hope DR is great too !
2) an improved AF layout with SAFOX 1X
3) Illuminated AF points
4) 6FPS
5) Both AA's and LiOn batteries (Yahoo)
6) 921k dot screen (very nice)
7) Images transferred thru infrared
8) HDR in camera alignment (what a great feature)
9) Faster AF
10) No more pre flash, infrared light for flash (it is about time)
11) And more features I forgot :- )

With this intro, I'm taking a serious look at what to get rid of in my Pentax arsonal, I first though want to see the quality of the camera !

Do I get rid of my K200D's although they are weather sealed, they are slow as molasses and the sensor is does not hold a candle to my K20D's, and they are not on the same planet as my K-x.

Hummmmmm ... what to do ?

wll

Keep your K20D it is a far better camera

wll · 09-09-2010, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by Rees

Keep your K20D it is a far better camera

Yes, the K20D's I will not sell, they are very good. Its the K200D's and the two old DS's that may hit the road.

The only thing is I can't get much for the DS's and they are small and good cameras :- )

wll

brecklundin · 09-09-2010, 10:28 AM

IR images xfer? are you freaking kidding me? Has there been some great leap in technology recently? IR xfer is about the slowest protocol around...oh, well, still looks like a reasonable incremental update to the K-x. But not for me, not even close...migth just have to go window shopping for a 7D this weekend.

grainbelt · 09-09-2010, 11:05 AM

I wanted these specs, with this AF and sensor, in the K200D body (weathersealed with top LCD)

so I'll pass

mattdm · 09-09-2010, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by DogLover

A dedicated AF assist lamp is listed in the specs on the other site. Plus, you can see it in the pics.

Oh, I see. I thought the suggestion was that there would be no visible pre-flash for P-TTL.

Mystic · 09-09-2010, 11:59 AM

strange feature i'd say.. that IR data transfer..

IR transfer is already out of date.. because there's bluetooth. why didn't they implemented that? is it that much more expensive?

all the contemporary electronics, such as mobile phones, computers etc. use bluetooth.. strange move from pentax.

jpoint · 09-09-2010, 12:14 PM

What KR lacks for a mid-range camera
(1) 1080P video
(2) Tilted LCD

Originally posted by wll

I have many Pentax cameras, the latest being the K-x, which I love.

There were a few upgrades I would have liked, but no big deal .. then came the K-r

Well I think Pentax has a winner here !

1) an updated or new sensor of the same MP, I love the 25,600 ISO, and I hope DR is great too !
2) an improved AF layout with SAFOX 1X
3) Illuminated AF points
4) 6FPS
5) Both AA's and LiOn batteries (Yahoo)
6) 921k dot screen (very nice)
7) Images transferred thru infrared
8) HDR in camera alignment (what a great feature)
9) Faster AF
10) No more pre flash, infrared light for flash (it is about time)
11) And more features I forgot :- )

With this intro, I'm taking a serious look at what to get rid of in my Pentax arsonal, I first though want to see the quality of the camera !

Do I get rid of my K200D's although they are weather sealed, they are slow as molasses and the sensor is does not hold a candle to my K20D's, and they are not on the same planet as my K-x.

Hummmmmm ... what to do ?

wll

**montman** · 09-09-2010, 12:17 PM

Am I missing something in the pictures? Even the k200d had a read out screen on the top of the camera.

ionutmar · 09-09-2010, 12:25 PM

There is some improvements with IR transmision protocol.

Infrared Data Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.irda.org/displaycommon.cfm?an=1&subarticlenbr=48

knoxploration · 09-09-2010, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by brecklundin

IR images xfer? are you freaking kidding me? Has there been some great leap in technology recently? IR xfer is about the slowest protocol around...oh, well, still looks like a reasonable incremental update to the K-x. But not for me, not even close...migth just have to go window shopping for a 7D this weekend.

It's using IrSimple, which first appeared as a standard in 2005. IrSimple is the fastest of the IrDA's protocols, but it's hardly blindingly so -- about 500KB/sec.

I don't think the intent is to transmit full-resolution photos this way. Assuming the K-r manages the maximum possible speed in the spec, it'd take eleven seconds or so for each full-res JPEG, and around 24 seconds for a single raw file.

Rather, it's intended for making small prints and sending photos from a cellphone, wirelessly. For that usage, IrSimple is perfectly fast enough using downsampled images. A second or so would easily transmit something suitable for, say, a 4x6 print or a blog post.

It's not a feature I'd personally use, but for somebody who owns an IrSimple-capable phone or printer, I can perhaps see the attraction.

grainbelt · 09-09-2010, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by montman

Am I missing something in the pictures? Even the k200d had a read out screen on the top of the camera.

No top LCD, I checked on dpreview's brief hands-on

photo link

As I said, that and the lack of weathersealing will keep me away

09-09-2010, 07:09 AM	#1
wll Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mission Hills, CA Posts: 773	My View of K-r I have many Pentax cameras, the latest being the K-x, which I love. There were a few upgrades I would have liked, but no big deal .. then came the K-r Well I think Pentax has a winner here ! 1) an updated or new sensor of the same MP, I love the 25,600 ISO, and I hope DR is great too ! 2) an improved AF layout with SAFOX 1X 3) Illuminated AF points 4) 6FPS 5) Both AA's and LiOn batteries (Yahoo) 6) 921k dot screen (very nice) 7) Images transferred thru infrared 8) HDR in camera alignment (what a great feature) 9) Faster AF 10) No more pre flash, infrared light for flash (it is about time) 11) And more features I forgot :- ) With this intro, I'm taking a serious look at what to get rid of in my Pentax arsonal, I first though want to see the quality of the camera ! Do I get rid of my K200D's although they are weather sealed, they are slow as molasses and the sensor is does not hold a candle to my K20D's, and they are not on the same planet as my K-x. Hummmmmm ... what to do ? wll

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09-09-2010, 08:06 AM	#2
er1kksen Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Forestville, NY Photos: Albums Posts: 1,801	I agree. When they drop down to about $300 on the used market after a few years I'll probably pick one up to get back into digital.

09-09-2010, 08:31 AM	#3
mattdm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,948	Originally posted by wll 10) No more pre flash, infrared light for flash (it is about time) Hmmm. Where are you getting this from?

09-09-2010, 09:26 AM	#4
DogLover Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 2,054	Originally posted by mattdm Hmmm. Where are you getting this from? A dedicated AF assist lamp is listed in the specs on the other site. Plus, you can see it in the pics.

09-09-2010, 09:29 AM	#5
Rees Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cymru Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 136	Originally posted by wll I have many Pentax cameras, the latest being the K-x, which I love. There were a few upgrades I would have liked, but no big deal .. then came the K-r Well I think Pentax has a winner here ! 1) an updated or new sensor of the same MP, I love the 25,600 ISO, and I hope DR is great too ! 2) an improved AF layout with SAFOX 1X 3) Illuminated AF points 4) 6FPS 5) Both AA's and LiOn batteries (Yahoo) 6) 921k dot screen (very nice) 7) Images transferred thru infrared 8) HDR in camera alignment (what a great feature) 9) Faster AF 10) No more pre flash, infrared light for flash (it is about time) 11) And more features I forgot :- ) With this intro, I'm taking a serious look at what to get rid of in my Pentax arsonal, I first though want to see the quality of the camera ! Do I get rid of my K200D's although they are weather sealed, they are slow as molasses and the sensor is does not hold a candle to my K20D's, and they are not on the same planet as my K-x. Hummmmmm ... what to do ? wll Keep your K20D it is a far better camera

09-09-2010, 09:48 AM	#6
wll Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mission Hills, CA Posts: 773 Original Poster	Originally posted by Rees Keep your K20D it is a far better camera Yes, the K20D's I will not sell, they are very good. Its the K200D's and the two old DS's that may hit the road. The only thing is I can't get much for the DS's and they are small and good cameras :- ) wll

09-09-2010, 10:28 AM	#7
brecklundin Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Photos: Albums Posts: 1,674	IR images xfer? are you freaking kidding me? Has there been some great leap in technology recently? IR xfer is about the slowest protocol around...oh, well, still looks like a reasonable incremental update to the K-x. But not for me, not even close...migth just have to go window shopping for a 7D this weekend.

09-09-2010, 11:05 AM	#8
grainbelt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Minneapolis Photos: Albums Posts: 587	I wanted these specs, with this AF and sensor, in the K200D body (weathersealed with top LCD) so I'll pass

09-09-2010, 11:17 AM	#9
mattdm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,948	Originally posted by DogLover A dedicated AF assist lamp is listed in the specs on the other site. Plus, you can see it in the pics. Oh, I see. I thought the suggestion was that there would be no visible pre-flash for P-TTL.

09-09-2010, 11:59 AM	#10
Mystic Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Lithuania Photos: Gallery Posts: 490	strange feature i'd say.. that IR data transfer.. IR transfer is already out of date.. because there's bluetooth. why didn't they implemented that? is it that much more expensive? all the contemporary electronics, such as mobile phones, computers etc. use bluetooth.. strange move from pentax.

09-09-2010, 12:14 PM	#11
jpoint Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 66	What KR lacks for a mid-range camera (1) 1080P video (2) Tilted LCD Originally posted by wll I have many Pentax cameras, the latest being the K-x, which I love. There were a few upgrades I would have liked, but no big deal .. then came the K-r Well I think Pentax has a winner here ! 1) an updated or new sensor of the same MP, I love the 25,600 ISO, and I hope DR is great too ! 2) an improved AF layout with SAFOX 1X 3) Illuminated AF points 4) 6FPS 5) Both AA's and LiOn batteries (Yahoo) 6) 921k dot screen (very nice) 7) Images transferred thru infrared 8) HDR in camera alignment (what a great feature) 9) Faster AF 10) No more pre flash, infrared light for flash (it is about time) 11) And more features I forgot :- ) With this intro, I'm taking a serious look at what to get rid of in my Pentax arsonal, I first though want to see the quality of the camera ! Do I get rid of my K200D's although they are weather sealed, they are slow as molasses and the sensor is does not hold a candle to my K20D's, and they are not on the same planet as my K-x. Hummmmmm ... what to do ? wll

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09-09-2010, 12:17 PM	#12
montman Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Kansas City Photos: Gallery Posts: 576	Am I missing something in the pictures? Even the k200d had a read out screen on the top of the camera.

09-09-2010, 12:25 PM	#13
ionutmar Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Bucharest, Romania Photos: Gallery Posts: 43	There is some improvements with IR transmision protocol. Infrared Data Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://www.irda.org/displaycommon.cfm?an=1&subarticlenbr=48

09-09-2010, 12:32 PM	#14
knoxploration Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 846	Originally posted by brecklundin IR images xfer? are you freaking kidding me? Has there been some great leap in technology recently? IR xfer is about the slowest protocol around...oh, well, still looks like a reasonable incremental update to the K-x. But not for me, not even close...migth just have to go window shopping for a 7D this weekend. It's using IrSimple, which first appeared as a standard in 2005. IrSimple is the fastest of the IrDA's protocols, but it's hardly blindingly so -- about 500KB/sec. I don't think the intent is to transmit full-resolution photos this way. Assuming the K-r manages the maximum possible speed in the spec, it'd take eleven seconds or so for each full-res JPEG, and around 24 seconds for a single raw file. Rather, it's intended for making small prints and sending photos from a cellphone, wirelessly. For that usage, IrSimple is perfectly fast enough using downsampled images. A second or so would easily transmit something suitable for, say, a 4x6 print or a blog post. It's not a feature I'd personally use, but for somebody who owns an IrSimple-capable phone or printer, I can perhaps see the attraction.

09-09-2010, 12:34 PM	#15
grainbelt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Minneapolis Photos: Albums Posts: 587	Originally posted by montman Am I missing something in the pictures? Even the k200d had a read out screen on the top of the camera. No top LCD, I checked on dpreview's brief hands-on photo link As I said, that and the lack of weathersealing will keep me away