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09-12-2010, 03:45 AM   #346
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QuoteOriginally posted by blende8 Quote
Someone posted this image on a German forum.
It is an advertisement on a cab in Cologne, Photokina town.
Funny, the first official photo on a cab.
Excellent!
Thanks for sharing

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QuoteOriginally posted by pingflood Quote
But "everyone knows" how noisy it is, except for those who actually own and use one.

Excellent 3200 prints and decent 6400 ones, yes thank you.
Including hopefully Pentax! And so hopefully it is a top priority in the K5...... In which case I would be in.
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http://fotkidepo.ru/photo/651750/25297CfAaCwPYgH/tQ4QBxnquA/425410.jpg
Samsung 1600 crop

http://fotkidepo.ru/photo/651750/25297CfAaCwPYgH/tQ4QBxnquA/425408.jpg
7D 1600 crop
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Hmmm most interesting comparisson.
At first glance it looks like the 7D is a clear winner, but a closer look shows that all of the added noise in the Samsung img is in the lower shadow region. Which incidentally is nutted in the 7D image. Therefore... there is no reason to suspect that the Samsung could not look every bit as good as the 7D image. However... there seems to be some color blooming in the green channel for the samsung image too. Don't know how well that would respond to correction.

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QuoteOriginally posted by JohnBee Quote
Hmmm most interesting comparisson.
At first glance it looks like the 7D is a clear winner, but a closer look shows that all of the added noise in the Samsung img is in the lower shadow region. Which incidentally is nutted in the 7D image. Therefore... there is no reason to suspect that the Samsung could not look every bit as good as the 7D image. However... there seems to be some color blooming in the green channel for the samsung image too. Don't know how well that would respond to correction.
Don't pay attention at WB - WB is the same, but the real image of 7D and GX20 are different. It's DCRAW.

I always use DCRAW to compare sensors AS IS. No any hide algorithm of noise reduction and sharping as in another convertors. If any photo web-sites use DCRAW to compare cameras, all marketing and tricks of engineers could fail...

No any sharp, no any NR. Honestly converted RAW to JPEG.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Don't pay attention at WB - WB is the same, but the real image of 7D and GX20 are different. It's DCRAW.

I always use DCRAW to compare sensors AS IS. No any hide algorithm of noise reduction and sharping as in another convertors. If any photo web-sites use DCRAW to compare cameras, all marketing and tricks of engineers could fail...

No any sharp, no any NR. Honestly converted RAW to JPEG.
Well that's positive news.
With that in mind, I'd expect both images to be equal with respects to noise and image detail.

Also, I didn't scower the image, but sometimes(often enough), if a camara releases an image with noise rather than in camera NR, there is the possibilty that the lower NR image will yield better detail. Therefore(without looking), there is still the possibility that the Samsung image could come out on top. Which is a premature opinion, but I thought I would say say it just the same.
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QuoteOriginally posted by blende8 Quote
Someone posted this image on a German forum.
It is an advertisement on a cab in Cologne, Photokina town.
Funny, the first official photo on a cab.
nice catch. i don't suppose someone "photoshopped" this image of the K5?

i'll reserve judgement when the specs are officially announced.
till then...
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Is this overpriced and under delivered?

I agree, the price point for what you get (or lack there of) is priced too high. Unless it knocks the socks off the C* 7D it is over priced. And the specs that have been rumored are not living up to the C* 7D. The video is behind the 7D if in fact it has no 60fps. But if the k5 has better low light, faster fps, quicker more acurate AF and is not limited to 99 frames in Time Lapse I might consider the camera. Shape, size, look, or weight has very little influence as to whether I get a camera or not. Although I would never buy a blude, red, pink, green DSLR,

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The $1,699 is WAYyyy too high compared to the competition.

Video:
  • Full HD 1080p (1920x1080) 30fps or 25fps
  • 720p (1280x720) 30fps or 25fps
  • VGA (640x480) 30fps or 25fps
  • Custom video modes: Av, Sv, Tv, M (a long-awaited feature)
  • External microphone jack
  • Expanded video processing
I wonder if the lens focusing background clatter and noise when taking video with the K-7 and K-x has now been solved?



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the kr has interval shooting to 999 images. i would think the k5 would have the same or better.
although unconfirmed (i think), DFS can be turned off. that would be great for astrophotography!

i agree about the MSRP being too high if that's true, but let's wait until the official introduction, at least that's what i'll do.
for now, the rumors are just, well, rumors.
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Oh and I forgot to add the 1/180 sync speed that pentax has been limited to, and as others have stated, not sure why the k5 will need a different flash to be used in the new 1/250 Sync speed? My pocket Wizards will sync up to 1/250 and work great on a 700D and SB800. Will the SB800 work at 1/250 with the k5? (of course using the pocket wizards)
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QuoteOriginally posted by Lance C Quote
Will the SB800 work at 1/250 with the k5?
I can get any current strobe from Nikon/Canon/Pentax to synch at 1/500th without issue when using my Pentax 645NII with a leaf shutter lens and Elinchrom wireless triggers.

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No any hide algorithm of noise reduction and sharping as in another convertors.

Canon have been using on sensor NR for a while now mainly to get rid of read out noise and dark current noise...Why do you think they have been using CMOS sensors for so long? because it is easy to incorporate that kind of noise reduction circuitry on a CMOS chip. CCD sensors being rather specialised devices have to go through the AD converter before Noise reduction can take place, and by then there is already noise introduced by the read out process.

DCRAW is a useful utility but I wouldn't put so much faith in it.

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QuoteOriginally posted by yeatzee Quote
yup

The DBG-4 comes with a AA tray and a Lion battery tray.
Which brings up a crucial feature. The K-5 needs to use as many of the K-7 accessories (grip, batts, screens) as possible. Having a less expensive second body with similar ergonomics and sharing accessories makes jumping to a new design feasible. One big reason I skipped the K-7 was that I was invested in a half dozen expensive batteries, multiple screens, grip, etc. for the K10/K20 series. I wanted two similar bodies (I dedicate one to manual lenses) but couldn't justify buying two K-7s for the feature improvements.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mattdm Quote
Pentax does not support use of their cameras with 3rd-party flashes. Metz, Sigma, and Promaster are all only compatible through reverse-engineering. So it would be very unlikely for Pentax to go out of their way to enable a feature their own flashes aren't up to.
You're absolutely right - it would not be business wise to allow for enhanced professional usage of a Pentax camera with radio triggers that can sync faster than 180.
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Video button

Has anyone heard if the K-5 will have it's own video mode button or will you have to access the video through a menu? I haven't had time to read the whole thread so I thought I would ask. I'll read the thread when I have more time. I would appreciate it, if anyone knows, if they could let me know. Thanks
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QuoteOriginally posted by blende8 Quote
Someone posted this image on a German forum.
It is an advertisement on a cab in Cologne, Photokina town.
Funny, the first official photo on a cab.

I believe that's the same photo of the K-5 that was leaked on lenstip.com. The 5 in K-5 looks like it's sitting a little higher than the K. They wisely cropped out the bad reflection effect for the cab promo though.
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