Can the K-5 dethrone the D700 ?

Blue · 09-06-2011, 08:17 PM

The Big Mac was a marketing success. Probably the top selling burger of all time. It must be the best burger ever made.

jsherman999 · 09-06-2011, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by ManuH

... But if I look at Flickr data the K-5 is already second. And it's surrounded by arguably the other two best Pentax hits: the K10D and the K-x. And on the graph it's climbing sharply.

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Interesting that the FF D700 has more average daily users on fickr than the top 10 APS-C pentax bodies combined. (K-x + K-5 + K10D + K20D + K-7 + K-r + K200D + K100D + K-m + K100DSuper.)

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**Rondec** · 09-07-2011, 03:38 AM

Originally posted by jsherman999

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Interesting that the FF D700 has more average daily users on fickr than the top 10 APS-C pentax bodies combined. (K-x + K-5 + K10D + K20D + K-7 + K-r + K200D + K100D + K-m + K100DSuper.)

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And the D90 has more than twice as many users as the D700. Not sure what these numbers mean, except that Pentax has a dismal market share world wide?

gazonk · 09-07-2011, 04:40 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

And the D90 has more than twice as many users as the D700. Not sure what these numbers mean, except that Pentax has a dismal market share world wide?

At least the most-used Olympus (E-PL1) has a smaller user base than the most popular Pentax (K-x)

(and more surprising, perhaps, it has just barely more users than the K-5).

(Another surprise: Ricoh GR Digital 3 is with 200 flickr users more popular than I thought)

Samsungian · 09-07-2011, 05:05 AM

This is a great link, thank you !

Seems to me full frame dslrs aren't the uncommon, rare cameras Pentax owners say they are.

I'm still so deeply in love with my D700 that I haven't bought any Canon Eos item in a 2&1/2 years.

I'm going on 3 years without spending money on new Pentax items either, due to my old tech D700.

I've been building out my Nikon System, the only system that I still buy new items for.

I have high hopes D700 replacement allows me to sell off all my Canon Eos and Pentax gear.

I look foward to owning just one camera brand.

If there were no D700 replacement due, I'd buy another D700 instead of buying a Pentax K-5 or Canon 5D Mark II.

I expect no full frame camera from Ricoh, instead I see the usual layoffs that occur when Pentax Corporation gets officially bought out, again.

I could be wrong of course and Ricoh will announce full frame roadmap on October 1st 2011.

I'm willing to wait 3 more weeks to see what Ricoh's Pentax System plans are once they've officially bought out the imaging brand from Hoya for 124 Million Dollars.

Originally posted by jsherman999

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Interesting that the FF D700 has more average daily users on fickr than the top 10 APS-C pentax bodies combined. (K-x + K-5 + K10D + K20D + K-7 + K-r + K200D + K100D + K-m + K100DSuper.)

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**Aristophanes** · 09-07-2011, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by Samsungian

Seems to me full frame dslrs aren't the uncommon, rare cameras Pentax owners say they are.

Add up all the APS-C activity versus the FF activity and FF may squeak in at 4% weighted for relative age of cameras.

That coincides with sales data. FF is estimated at 5% of the total DSLR market. Unit volumes of MF DSLRS (645D, Phase One, Hassy) and Leica are so minimal they are rounding errors in aggregate sales data.

**Aristophanes** · 09-07-2011, 05:20 AM

Originally posted by Blue

The Big Mac was a marketing success. Probably the top selling burger of all time. It must be the best burger ever made.

If people vote with their $$$'s, then quantitative economics says yes. After all someone actually had to make the effort to go to a MickeD's and place an order from a menu list of items.

rawr · 09-07-2011, 06:01 AM

It's worth keeping in mind that the flickr camera finder numbers may not be totally accurate. The data comes from flickr successfully parsing the EXIF of uploaded JPGs. Sometimes that EXIF isn't available or the parse doesn't work.

**ManuH** · 09-07-2011, 06:01 AM

Originally posted by jsherman999

Interesting that the FF D700 has more average daily users on fickr than the top 10 APS-C pentax bodies combined. (K-x + K-5 + K10D + K20D + K-7 + K-r + K200D + K100D + K-m + K100DSuper.)

Not surprising though and that put into perspective why Pentax probably won't come with a FF body very soon. If Pentax has an overall market share below 5% and FF has an overall 5%. It could mean that a Pentax FF would have 5% of 5% = 0,25% ! Maybe even less if the camera is not "successful".

jsherman999 · 09-07-2011, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by ManuH

Not surprising though and that put into perspective why Pentax probably won't come with a FF body very soon. If Pentax has an overall market share below 5% and FF has an overall 5%. It could mean that a Pentax FF would have 5% of 5% = 0,25% ! Maybe even less if the camera is not "successful".

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Those market share numbers are not static, and would probably move in another tier. The main reason Pentax is at 5% in DSLR right now is because of the massive retail presence Canon and Nikon have in he big boxes and elsewhere in aps-c and below, and because of their marketing campaigns in support of that.

Pentax entered MFD with the 645D, and now reportedly have almost 50% of that market (depending on who you ask - some figures suggest they doubled the existing market.) There's no way a K-1 would grab anything close to that share, but that illustrates how things change when you move up out of the retail-dominated tiers.

All this really tells you is that the D700 is one tasty Big Mac

(and highlights how the "FF is mainly for 'pros'" canard that still gets trotted out in internet forums from time to time is silly.)

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Kunzite · 09-07-2011, 06:53 AM

Originally posted by Samsungian

I see the usual layoffs that occur when Pentax Corporation gets officially bought out, again.

Uhh... you're seeing or you're hoping for "the usual layoffs"?

Anyway, since Hoya already trimmed all the fat there's no need for Ricoh to do the same.

jsherman999 · 09-07-2011, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Uhh... you're seeing or you're hoping for "the usual layoffs"?

Anyway, since Hoya already trimmed all the fat there's no need for Ricoh to do the same.

There's some 'Q' fat that could yet be trimmed.

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Clicker · 09-07-2011, 07:27 AM

NO..."quick reply"

deadwolfbones · 09-07-2011, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

If people vote with their $$$'s, then quantitative economics says yes. After all someone actually had to make the effort to go to a MickeD's and place an order from a menu list of items.

lol??

Kunzite · 09-07-2011, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by jsherman999

There's some 'Q' fat that could yet be trimmed.

A good thing you're not taking any decision, then; normally one shouldn't start with the revenue sources

Should I remind you the Q is selling quite well, on the Japanese market?

09-07-2011, 05:05 AM	#80
Samsungian Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Colorado USA Posts: 1,337	D700 vs K-5 vs Ricoh's Pentax layoffs This is a great link, thank you ! Seems to me full frame dslrs aren't the uncommon, rare cameras Pentax owners say they are. I'm still so deeply in love with my D700 that I haven't bought any Canon Eos item in a 2&1/2 years. I'm going on 3 years without spending money on new Pentax items either, due to my old tech D700. I've been building out my Nikon System, the only system that I still buy new items for. I have high hopes D700 replacement allows me to sell off all my Canon Eos and Pentax gear. I look foward to owning just one camera brand. If there were no D700 replacement due, I'd buy another D700 instead of buying a Pentax K-5 or Canon 5D Mark II. I expect no full frame camera from Ricoh, instead I see the usual layoffs that occur when Pentax Corporation gets officially bought out, again. I could be wrong of course and Ricoh will announce full frame roadmap on October 1st 2011. I'm willing to wait 3 more weeks to see what Ricoh's Pentax System plans are once they've officially bought out the imaging brand from Hoya for 124 Million Dollars. Originally posted by jsherman999 . Interesting that the FF D700 has more average daily users on fickr than the top 10 APS-C pentax bodies combined. (K-x + K-5 + K10D + K20D + K-7 + K-r + K200D + K100D + K-m + K100DSuper.) .

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09-06-2011, 08:17 PM	#76
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	The Big Mac was a marketing success. Probably the top selling burger of all time. It must be the best burger ever made.

09-06-2011, 08:45 PM	#77
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by ManuH ... But if I look at Flickr data the K-5 is already second. And it's surrounded by arguably the other two best Pentax hits: the K10D and the K-x. And on the graph it's climbing sharply. . Interesting that the FF D700 has more average daily users on fickr than the top 10 APS-C pentax bodies combined. (K-x + K-5 + K10D + K20D + K-7 + K-r + K200D + K100D + K-m + K100DSuper.) .

09-07-2011, 03:38 AM	#78
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,663	Originally posted by jsherman999 . Interesting that the FF D700 has more average daily users on fickr than the top 10 APS-C pentax bodies combined. (K-x + K-5 + K10D + K20D + K-7 + K-r + K200D + K100D + K-m + K100DSuper.) . And the D90 has more than twice as many users as the D700. Not sure what these numbers mean, except that Pentax has a dismal market share world wide?

09-07-2011, 04:40 AM	#79
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by Rondec And the D90 has more than twice as many users as the D700. Not sure what these numbers mean, except that Pentax has a dismal market share world wide? At least the most-used Olympus (E-PL1) has a smaller user base than the most popular Pentax (K-x) (and more surprising, perhaps, it has just barely more users than the K-5). (Another surprise: Ricoh GR Digital 3 is with 200 flickr users more popular than I thought)

09-07-2011, 05:18 AM	#81
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by Samsungian Seems to me full frame dslrs aren't the uncommon, rare cameras Pentax owners say they are. Add up all the APS-C activity versus the FF activity and FF may squeak in at 4% weighted for relative age of cameras. That coincides with sales data. FF is estimated at 5% of the total DSLR market. Unit volumes of MF DSLRS (645D, Phase One, Hassy) and Leica are so minimal they are rounding errors in aggregate sales data.

09-07-2011, 05:20 AM	#82
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by Blue The Big Mac was a marketing success. Probably the top selling burger of all time. It must be the best burger ever made. If people vote with their $$$'s, then quantitative economics says yes. After all someone actually had to make the effort to go to a MickeD's and place an order from a menu list of items.

09-07-2011, 06:01 AM	#83
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	It's worth keeping in mind that the flickr camera finder numbers may not be totally accurate. The data comes from flickr successfully parsing the EXIF of uploaded JPGs. Sometimes that EXIF isn't available or the parse doesn't work.

09-07-2011, 06:01 AM	#84
ManuH Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montreal Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,249	Originally posted by jsherman999 Interesting that the FF D700 has more average daily users on fickr than the top 10 APS-C pentax bodies combined. (K-x + K-5 + K10D + K20D + K-7 + K-r + K200D + K100D + K-m + K100DSuper.) Not surprising though and that put into perspective why Pentax probably won't come with a FF body very soon. If Pentax has an overall market share below 5% and FF has an overall 5%. It could mean that a Pentax FF would have 5% of 5% = 0,25% ! Maybe even less if the camera is not "successful".

09-07-2011, 06:52 AM	#85
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by ManuH Not surprising though and that put into perspective why Pentax probably won't come with a FF body very soon. If Pentax has an overall market share below 5% and FF has an overall 5%. It could mean that a Pentax FF would have 5% of 5% = 0,25% ! Maybe even less if the camera is not "successful". . Those market share numbers are not static, and would probably move in another tier. The main reason Pentax is at 5% in DSLR right now is because of the massive retail presence Canon and Nikon have in he big boxes and elsewhere in aps-c and below, and because of their marketing campaigns in support of that. Pentax entered MFD with the 645D, and now reportedly have almost 50% of that market (depending on who you ask - some figures suggest they doubled the existing market.) There's no way a K-1 would grab anything close to that share, but that illustrates how things change when you move up out of the retail-dominated tiers. All this really tells you is that the D700 is one tasty Big Mac (and highlights how the "FF is mainly for 'pros'" canard that still gets trotted out in internet forums from time to time is silly.) .

09-07-2011, 06:53 AM	#86
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Samsungian I see the usual layoffs that occur when Pentax Corporation gets officially bought out, again. Uhh... you're seeing or you're hoping for "the usual layoffs"? Anyway, since Hoya already trimmed all the fat there's no need for Ricoh to do the same.

09-07-2011, 07:09 AM	#87
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by Kunzite Uhh... you're seeing or you're hoping for "the usual layoffs"? Anyway, since Hoya already trimmed all the fat there's no need for Ricoh to do the same. There's some 'Q' fat that could yet be trimmed. .

09-07-2011, 07:27 AM	#88
Clicker Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,241	NO..."quick reply"

09-07-2011, 07:32 AM	#89
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: La Crescenta, CA Posts: 7,450	Originally posted by Aristophanes If people vote with their $$$'s, then quantitative economics says yes. After all someone actually had to make the effort to go to a MickeD's and place an order from a menu list of items. lol??

09-07-2011, 09:13 AM	#90
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by jsherman999 There's some 'Q' fat that could yet be trimmed. A good thing you're not taking any decision, then; normally one shouldn't start with the revenue sources Should I remind you the Q is selling quite well, on the Japanese market?