Ned Bunell...

sjwaldron · 09-14-2010, 11:10 PM

Isn't it obvious? Pentax/Hoya believe in the DBZ (and other anime) philosophy. They want to be the Goku-like protagonist that always shows up just at the last second with the most power and skill to defeat the final bad guy. All of the other people of his group start off early and eventually get beaten.

jess · 09-15-2010, 05:51 AM

First, I agree with all of you who stated that is is a minor point. I am not trying to stir up controversy nor am I disparaging Ned Bunnell personally. It may be his personal blog, but virtually every post involves Pentax equipment or press in some way. If the blog was purely personal, I would not be commenting on it here and I would not be looking at it. I have always thought of it as a nice PR extension of Pentax (personal views of the equipment on the U.S. president of his company), and as such fairgame for comment. I also have always thought, as many of you have intimated, that Pentax has some say in what goes up on the blog, hence the marketing comment. I am an avid Pentax fan (especially the lenses), but ultimately they are tools that I am spending quite a bit of money on and I am concerned about its continued success. I am sure that Ned Bunnell is a very nice guy, but he not my uncle, he is the head of Pentax U.S.

Nass · 09-15-2010, 06:20 AM

Originally posted by reeftool

He did get himself into a little hot water with his Leica article. Maybe he just decided not to blog anymore. It's safer.

Seems like the most plausible explanation. That said, although I have not had the pleasure of personally meeting him and I'm sure that he's a terrifically splendid nice fellow, his posts do come across as pure Pentax marketing - of which there is enough already - so I honestly can't say that I feel that my life is poorer for the lack of posts

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blende8 · 09-15-2010, 07:57 AM

A German Pentax manager is also openly stating that he is photographing with Pentax and Leica M8.
I don't see a problem here.

I think the most probable explanation is blog-fatigue.

**ManuH** · 09-15-2010, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by blende8

A German Pentax manager is also openly stating that he is photographing with Pentax and Leica M8.
I don't see a problem here.

The big difference IMHO is that Ned Bunnell spoke about a compact Leica, a clone of a Panasonic P&S competitor of Pentax. The M8 is another matter, it's a not a competitor at all, it's a niche product. I still think it's a faux pas from Ned. But this is certainly not the reason why his blog has not been updated for months.

Blue · 09-15-2010, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by blende8

A German Pentax manager is also openly stating that he is photographing with Pentax and Leica M8.
I don't see a problem here.

I think the most probable explanation is blog-fatigue.

Is the German Leica manager openly using a 645D? Ned was using a D-Lux-4 that was a compact level not covered by Pentax. If the German Pentax manager is running the M8 next to the 645D, that would be one thing or even better the M9. I understand what you are saying about "personal" photography. However, these guys don't have the marketing position to be openly screwing around. That said, I actually like Ned.

thibs · 09-15-2010, 08:21 AM

How is any pentax p&s a competitor of lx3??

Boris · 09-15-2010, 08:22 AM

If Ned is using Leica compact and some Leica guy is using Pentax, then we can start a rumor of possibility of a merger. evil grin

Blue · 09-15-2010, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by thibs

How is any pentax p&s a competitor of lx3??

No one said it was. In fact, that was the point. Go back and re-read.

Originally posted by Boris

If Ned is using Leica compact and some Leica guy is using Pentax, then we can start a rumor of possibility of a merger. evil grin

All things considered, that's not out of the realm of possibility. After all Pentax did make a lens in Leica mount.

pcarfan · 09-15-2010, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by jess

First, I agree with all of you who stated that is is a minor point. I am not trying to stir up controversy nor am I disparaging Ned Bunnell personally. It may be his personal blog, but virtually every post involves Pentax equipment or press in some way. If the blog was purely personal, I would not be commenting on it here and I would not be looking at it. I have always thought of it as a nice PR extension of Pentax (personal views of the equipment on the U.S. president of his company), and as such fairgame for comment. I also have always thought, as many of you have intimated, that Pentax has some say in what goes up on the blog, hence the marketing comment. I am an avid Pentax fan (especially the lenses), but ultimately they are tools that I am spending quite a bit of money on and I am concerned about its continued success. I am sure that Ned Bunnell is a very nice guy, but he not my uncle, he is the head of Pentax U.S.

AND Ned had cited his blog entries here and at DPR for marketing purposes, so it's not strictly a personal blog.

**ManuH** · 09-15-2010, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by thibs

How is any pentax p&s a competitor of lx3??

Yes I know the LX-3 was above anything Pentax offered but not by that much. It's still a fingernail sensor selling around 500$. It was not a direct competitor but close enough to create a malaise IMHO. And you see, people still talk about it years later...

Blue · 09-15-2010, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by ManuH

Yes I know the LX-3 was above anything Pentax offered but not by that much. It's still a fingernail sensor selling around 500$. It was not a direct competitor but close enough to create a malaise IMHO. And you see, people still talk about it years later...

It is actually nearly the bigger of the small sensors. Almost the only way to go bigger is to go 4/3.

**ManuH** · 09-15-2010, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by Blue

It is actually nearly the bigger of the small sensors. Almost the only way to go bigger is to go 4/3.

Yes. Most compacts use a 1/2.3" sensor nowadays (28.5mm²). High-end P&S use 1/1.7" sensor (or close) at about 43mm². The biggest P&S sensors are the 2/3" (58mm²) but I only remember the Fuji S100Fs using this size. The LX-3 uses a 1/1.63" sensor (around 49mm²). The "small" 4/3 sensor is 225mm².

BrendanPK · 09-15-2010, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by deejjjaaaa

very simple... they do not have any Russian staff... unlike Pentax USA, there is no Pentax Russia

PENTAX and Group Companies

and then people who were posting information were not from Russia only

Originally posted by ogl

There is no Pentax Russia and never was.

Damn, talk about quick to flame ... I was more ref to the distributor(s) than a division of the company. I know Pentax does not have a HQ, but the distributor should have been some massive hot water over the prev leaks

There is always someone to hire/fire be it an employee or a contractor

emr · 09-15-2010, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by blende8

A German Pentax manager is also openly stating that he is photographing with Pentax and Leica M8.
I don't see a problem here.

Leica, OK. But Pentax marketing shoots Canon!

09-15-2010, 09:31 AM	#44
BrendanPK Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Maryland Photos: Gallery Posts: 735	Originally posted by deejjjaaaa very simple... they do not have any Russian staff... unlike Pentax USA, there is no Pentax Russia PENTAX and Group Companies and then people who were posting information were not from Russia only Originally posted by ogl There is no Pentax Russia and never was. Damn, talk about quick to flame ... I was more ref to the distributor(s) than a division of the company. I know Pentax does not have a HQ, but the distributor should have been some massive hot water over the prev leaks There is always someone to hire/fire be it an employee or a contractor Last edited by BrendanPK; 09-15-2010 at 11:19 AM.

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09-14-2010, 11:10 PM	#31
sjwaldron Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,235	Isn't it obvious? Pentax/Hoya believe in the DBZ (and other anime) philosophy. They want to be the Goku-like protagonist that always shows up just at the last second with the most power and skill to defeat the final bad guy. All of the other people of his group start off early and eventually get beaten.

09-15-2010, 05:51 AM	#32
jess New Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Burlington, Vermont Posts: 24 Original Poster	First, I agree with all of you who stated that is is a minor point. I am not trying to stir up controversy nor am I disparaging Ned Bunnell personally. It may be his personal blog, but virtually every post involves Pentax equipment or press in some way. If the blog was purely personal, I would not be commenting on it here and I would not be looking at it. I have always thought of it as a nice PR extension of Pentax (personal views of the equipment on the U.S. president of his company), and as such fairgame for comment. I also have always thought, as many of you have intimated, that Pentax has some say in what goes up on the blog, hence the marketing comment. I am an avid Pentax fan (especially the lenses), but ultimately they are tools that I am spending quite a bit of money on and I am concerned about its continued success. I am sure that Ned Bunnell is a very nice guy, but he not my uncle, he is the head of Pentax U.S.

09-15-2010, 06:20 AM	#33
Nass Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The British Isles Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,402	Originally posted by reeftool He did get himself into a little hot water with his Leica article. Maybe he just decided not to blog anymore. It's safer. Seems like the most plausible explanation. That said, although I have not had the pleasure of personally meeting him and I'm sure that he's a terrifically splendid nice fellow, his posts do come across as pure Pentax marketing - of which there is enough already - so I honestly can't say that I feel that my life is poorer for the lack of posts .

09-15-2010, 07:57 AM	#34
blende8 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bremen, Germany Photos: Albums Posts: 1,521	A German Pentax manager is also openly stating that he is photographing with Pentax and Leica M8. I don't see a problem here. I think the most probable explanation is blog-fatigue.

09-15-2010, 08:05 AM	#35
ManuH Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montreal Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,249	Originally posted by blende8 A German Pentax manager is also openly stating that he is photographing with Pentax and Leica M8. I don't see a problem here. The big difference IMHO is that Ned Bunnell spoke about a compact Leica, a clone of a Panasonic P&S competitor of Pentax. The M8 is another matter, it's a not a competitor at all, it's a niche product. I still think it's a faux pas from Ned. But this is certainly not the reason why his blog has not been updated for months.

09-15-2010, 08:09 AM	#36
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by blende8 A German Pentax manager is also openly stating that he is photographing with Pentax and Leica M8. I don't see a problem here. I think the most probable explanation is blog-fatigue. Is the German Leica manager openly using a 645D? Ned was using a D-Lux-4 that was a compact level not covered by Pentax. If the German Pentax manager is running the M8 next to the 645D, that would be one thing or even better the M9. I understand what you are saying about "personal" photography. However, these guys don't have the marketing position to be openly screwing around. That said, I actually like Ned.

09-15-2010, 08:21 AM	#37
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	How is any pentax p&s a competitor of lx3??

09-15-2010, 08:22 AM	#38
Boris Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Israel Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 932	If Ned is using Leica compact and some Leica guy is using Pentax, then we can start a rumor of possibility of a merger. evil grin

09-15-2010, 08:39 AM	#39
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by thibs How is any pentax p&s a competitor of lx3?? No one said it was. In fact, that was the point. Go back and re-read. Originally posted by Boris If Ned is using Leica compact and some Leica guy is using Pentax, then we can start a rumor of possibility of a merger. evil grin All things considered, that's not out of the realm of possibility. After all Pentax did make a lens in Leica mount.

09-15-2010, 08:47 AM	#40
pcarfan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dayton, Ohio Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,978	Originally posted by jess First, I agree with all of you who stated that is is a minor point. I am not trying to stir up controversy nor am I disparaging Ned Bunnell personally. It may be his personal blog, but virtually every post involves Pentax equipment or press in some way. If the blog was purely personal, I would not be commenting on it here and I would not be looking at it. I have always thought of it as a nice PR extension of Pentax (personal views of the equipment on the U.S. president of his company), and as such fairgame for comment. I also have always thought, as many of you have intimated, that Pentax has some say in what goes up on the blog, hence the marketing comment. I am an avid Pentax fan (especially the lenses), but ultimately they are tools that I am spending quite a bit of money on and I am concerned about its continued success. I am sure that Ned Bunnell is a very nice guy, but he not my uncle, he is the head of Pentax U.S. AND Ned had cited his blog entries here and at DPR for marketing purposes, so it's not strictly a personal blog.

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09-15-2010, 09:00 AM	#41
ManuH Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montreal Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,249	Originally posted by thibs How is any pentax p&s a competitor of lx3?? Yes I know the LX-3 was above anything Pentax offered but not by that much. It's still a fingernail sensor selling around 500$. It was not a direct competitor but close enough to create a malaise IMHO. And you see, people still talk about it years later...

09-15-2010, 09:10 AM	#42
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by ManuH Yes I know the LX-3 was above anything Pentax offered but not by that much. It's still a fingernail sensor selling around 500$. It was not a direct competitor but close enough to create a malaise IMHO. And you see, people still talk about it years later... It is actually nearly the bigger of the small sensors. Almost the only way to go bigger is to go 4/3.

09-15-2010, 09:21 AM	#43
ManuH Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montreal Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,249	Originally posted by Blue It is actually nearly the bigger of the small sensors. Almost the only way to go bigger is to go 4/3. Yes. Most compacts use a 1/2.3" sensor nowadays (28.5mm²). High-end P&S use 1/1.7" sensor (or close) at about 43mm². The biggest P&S sensors are the 2/3" (58mm²) but I only remember the Fuji S100Fs using this size. The LX-3 uses a 1/1.63" sensor (around 49mm²). The "small" 4/3 sensor is 225mm².

09-15-2010, 10:43 AM	#45
emr Guest	Originally posted by blende8 A German Pentax manager is also openly stating that he is photographing with Pentax and Leica M8. I don't see a problem here. Leica, OK. But Pentax marketing shoots Canon!