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09-15-2010, 06:13 AM   #1
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New Sony sensor SNR on par with D3 FF!

I was reading a few posts today on the D7000 and came accross the interesting claim made by a field tester that the camera noise performance was on par with the D3 FF camera.

Reference: New Nikon D7000: a Canon 60D killer? New Nikon D7000: a Canon 60D killer? — Aputure Blog
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Like the Sony A-55, this camera packs a plethora of features into a small-ish body at a very reasonable price. If Canon thought they could lower their specs in order to match the Nikon D90, then they caught with their pants down, as this new Nikon D7000 takes the spec sheet to a whole new level. It outspecs the 60D in almost every way imaginable. The reports of image quality and noise performance being on par with the D3 are startling, and AF during movie recording is very enticing. If I weren’t so heavily invested in Canon glass, I might consider making the switch myself.
I know I've said this before and this may be starting to sound like a broken record, but when a Pentax official emailed me a response saying that Pentax would bring a crop sensor to the market this year that would give a full frame a run for it's money. I honestly thought he was being generous

This falls right in line with my own personal tests with some K-r RAW files. Which showed an immense latitude in the shadow/exposure recovery end of things. Which seem cleaner even, than with a D700 file.

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I was reading a few posts today on the D7000 and came accross the interesting claim made by a field tester that the camera noise performance was on par with the D3 FF camera.
Nice! But is it a Sony sensor or a Nikon sensor?

Anyway, I can't wait to see K-5 samples!
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Nice! But is it a Sony sensor or a Nikon sensor?

Anyway, I can't wait to see K-5 samples!
According to the Nikon website: Nikon | News | Digital-SLR camera Nikon D7000

The D7000 sensor is a: 23.6 x 15.6 mm CMOS sensor, which is right in line with the Sony part specifications.



Based on this information, I would say there is a very good chance(98%) that they are the same part.
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I'm pretty sure Nikon still uses Sony sensors and tweaks them with their own algorithms and processing.

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Will be intersting to see if K-5 will have AF in video.
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Will be intersting to see if K-5 will have AF in video.
This is one of the big unanswered question
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QuoteOriginally posted by JohnBee Quote
According to the Nikon website: Nikon | News | Digital-SLR camera Nikon D7000

The D7000 sensor is a: 23.6 x 15.6 mm CMOS sensor, which is right in line with the Sony part specifications.



Based on this information, I would say there is a very good chance(98%) that they are the same part.
Same physical dimensions, perhaps, different gross pixel count, net pixel count, and thus different size photosites...its also pulling different amounts of data for video...Nikon = 1080/24P, Sony = 1080/60i (from 1080/30i output). They are significantly different parts. Engineered by Nikon, but probably fab'd by Sony.
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It is really pretty exciting - all these announcement pre this year Photokina...

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QuoteOriginally posted by JohnBee Quote
I was reading a few posts today on the D7000 and came accross the interesting claim made by a field tester that the camera noise performance was on par with the D3 FF camera.

Reference: New Nikon D7000: a Canon 60D killer? New Nikon D7000: a Canon 60D killer? — Aputure Blog
Hmm, I would not believe photographer hired to participate in D7000 marketing campaign. Let's wait for real measurements.
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This is one of the big unanswered question
Perhaps I'm being overly conservative, but the only thing we know is that the K-5 will indeed be announced soon. Every other leaked spec must be taken with varying amounts of salt.
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Engineered by Nikon, but probably fab'd by Sony.
So you think Sony heads the R&D and sell manufacturing afterward? I could buy into that idea.

Which leads us to the inevitable... if these are the crop-sensor performances, then what will be expected from a FF counterpart?

Hellooooo' ISO51200!!!
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QuoteOriginally posted by the swede Quote
Will be intersting to see if K-5 will have AF in video.
For what it worth: K-7 preprod examples had AF in video but it was somewhere between useless and unusable. Humm that was more than one year ago...
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QuoteOriginally posted by JohnBee Quote
So you think Sony heads the R&D and sell manufacturing afterward? I could buy into that idea.

Which leads us to the inevitable... if these are the crop-sensor performances, then what will be expected from a FF counterpart?

Hellooooo' ISO51200!!!
There is no doubt that Sony has given some "assistance" years ago to Nikon in designing chips in a way that Sony could fab them, but I'm getting more and more a sense that Nikon is going their own way with designs. I've read many places that the biggest difference in the early Sony/Nikon cmos ventures was the on-chip A/D in the Nikons, which was purely a Nikon design...since then, the sensor itself has become less and less a Sony design...
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Which leads us to the inevitable... if these are the crop-sensor performances, then what will be expected from a FF counterpart?

Hellooooo' ISO51200!!!
Just my thoughts, the next generation of FF sensors are destined to be awesome!
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QuoteOriginally posted by JohnBee Quote
So you think Sony heads the R&D and sell manufacturing afterward? I could buy into that idea.

Which leads us to the inevitable... if these are the crop-sensor performances, then what will be expected from a FF counterpart?

Hellooooo' ISO51200!!!
Only time will tell. The next generation of FF sensors will be great. Maybe Pentax will get and that wagon.
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