ISO3200 JPEG from 16MP Sony Sensor (from Nikon D7000)

Pentaxor · 10-26-2010, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

Yes, that's a valid reason (except that it gives you less DOF, not more

)

what I meant by more, is because you can get more shallow DOF.

Winder · 10-26-2010, 09:35 AM

In regards to DoF:

How much/little do you need? How much is too much and how narrow is to narrow?

85mm lens on a 5D - f/2 & 12' of distance = 8.6" DoF
55mm Lens on a K-7 - f/2 & 12' of distance - 13.1" DoF.

That 5"s is not going to make a significant difference for the vast majority of subjects.

ll_coffee_lP · 10-26-2010, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by jonny1986

the k20 k7 k5 are all pro camera as good as d700..it0's not the camera that makes a pro it's the man behind...and your gallery show exactly my point.

While I didn't check the gallery I can equivocally tell you that the K10/K20/K7 (I've never held a K-5) are not even in the same ballpark as the D700. The responsiveness and speed (outside of shooting speed, I mean speed of everything) leaves the Pentax offerings in the venerable dust. That is simply a fact.

Pentax do not make a professional camera (I'm not going to get into an argument about the 645D), they make enthusiast cameras and they are amazing at what they do. Until they have a full lens line and a support infrastructure for their users that will all they will be.

Can you take great pictures with a Pentax? Of course you can (I started my business using Pentax), but don't for a second think that the K line and the D700 are the same league, because they are not.

c[_]

JohnBee · 10-26-2010, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by ll_coffee_lP

While I didn't check the gallery I can equivocally tell you that the K10/K20/K7 (I've never held a K-5) are not even in the same ballpark as the D700. The responsiveness and speed (outside of shooting speed, I mean speed of everything) leaves the Pentax offerings in the venerable dust. That is simply a fact.

The K-5 now leaves the D700 in the dust(yes its true). It does this in DR, and low light performance where the D700 has long reached its theoretical limits. Call it what you will, but the D700 is more along the lines of a brick in contrast to the efficiency that comes from K-5 camera.

I guess in this sense, we could say the K-5 runs circles around the D700

Perhaps if it wasn't so big and heavy, it would have a chance?

Anyways, I'll be throwing mine in the trash just as soon as I receive a K-5 this spring.

ll_coffee_lP · 10-26-2010, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by JohnBee

The K-5 now leaves the D700 in the dust(yes its true). It does this in DR, and low light performance where the D700 has long reached its theoretical limits. Call it what you will, but the D700 is more along the lines of a brick in contrast to the efficiency that comes from K-5 camera.

I guess in this sense, we could say the K-5 runs circles around the D700

Perhaps if it wasn't so big and heavy, it would have a chance?

Anyways, I'll be throwing mine in the trash just as soon as I receive a K-5 this spring.

now that's funny!

Let me know if you are gonna "throw" your D700 in the trash. I'll be more than happy to take that piece of garbage off of your hands...

c[_]

Pentaxor · 10-26-2010, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by JohnBee

The K-5 now leaves the D700 in the dust(yes its true). It does this in DR, and low light performance where the D700 has long reached its theoretical limits. Call it what you will, but the D700 is more along the lines of a brick in contrast to the efficiency that comes from K-5 camera.

I guess in this sense, we could say the K-5 runs circles around the D700

Perhaps if it wasn't so big and heavy, it would have a chance?

Anyways, I'll be throwing mine in the trash just as soon as I receive a K-5 this spring.

I'll gladly take it from you for $100.

dylansalt · 10-27-2010, 07:18 AM

Well I'm sure then that there will be 100's of 2nd hand D700's and 5D MK11's for next to nothing on the market soon - as their users will be throwing them in the trash with their exodus to Pentax;-)

Quicksand · 10-29-2010, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by jogiba

The Sony A77 will be released by mid 2011 because Sony needed time to develop an almost perfect camera.

Haha, what have they been doing up to now -- just throwing stuff out the door to see what happens?

Rite · 10-30-2010, 07:40 AM

Originally posted by kevinschoenmakers

Chase Jarvis, the photographer who made a promotional video for the Nikon D7000, posted a ISO3200 JPEG on his blog. Since this is most likely the same sensor as will be in the K-5, this may give an indication for the K-5 High ISO performance (of course, high ISO output will not be the exact same, but the K-x proved Pentax can process high ISO just as well as Nikon can, if anything).

You can find it here.

==================================

Where the D7000 TRUMPS the K5 is that it does continuous AUTOFOCUS in video @ 1080P.

You Tube

JohnBee · 10-30-2010, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by Rite

==================================

Where the D7000 TRUMPS the K5 is that it does continuous AUTOFOCUS in video @ 1080P.

That if does...

**Rondec** · 10-30-2010, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by Rite

==================================

Where the D7000 TRUMPS the K5 is that it does continuous AUTOFOCUS in video @ 1080P.

]

Looking at the speed of focus in live view, Pentax could fairly easily add that as a feature. The issue is that it tends to hunt a lot when used with video. You can see that in some of the road scenes on this video, where clearly the camera is trying to re focus. In that particular situation, manual focus would have likely worked better. Also, this particular video has most of the actual camera focusing situations cut out.

I still would like to see Pentax add auto focus to video, with the caveat that it won't look nice in many situations and will add a lot of extra noise to video when used with non SDM lenses.

Rite · 10-30-2010, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by JohnBee

Originally posted by Rite

==================================

Where the D7000 TRUMPS the K5 is that it does continuous AUTOFOCUS in video @ 1080P.
That if does... __________________
Click here to see the No. 1 reason why I will be buying a K-5 this year!

=================================

Fine. But honestly, how often do you shoot over 800 ISO?

Rite · 10-30-2010, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by Rondec

Looking at the speed of focus in live view, Pentax could fairly easily add that as a feature.

==================================

Coulda, shoulda, woulda? Why DIDN'T they? :ugh:

**Rondec** · 10-30-2010, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by Rite

=================================

Fine. But honestly, how often do you shoot over 800 ISO?

I think a lot of people talk negatively in the past about high iso because it really hasn't been that good. This has been full frame territory till very recently and if it doesn't look good, who will use it? Clearly if dynamic range suffers, colors look bad and noise crops up, no one wants that.

I wish I could shoot more at iso 3200 to 6400. Considering that there are many times that flash is intrusive and yet I can't get shutter speeds that eliminate subject motion, I would use it more if it looked good. I certainly would use it more than I would ever use auto focus in video on an SLR.

Who knows what Pentax will add in firmware with regard to auto focus? I certainly don't, but I do know that those who shoot professionally don't use autofocus in video mode.

You could ask the same question about why Pentax didn't have more frames available in its buffer that they have just made available through firmware. It seems clear that Pentax rushed the camera to market and have been adding features to it until the last second.

falconeye · 10-30-2010, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by Rite

Where the D7000 TRUMPS the K5 is that it does continuous AUTOFOCUS in video @ 1080P.

AFAIK, D7k users in Nikon forums consider the continuous AF in video a marketing gimmick which doesn't prove useful in real life.

The K-5 CAF could do better though if Pentax lowers their requirement for released features. But maybe, it isn't a bad thing they don't

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10-26-2010, 08:49 AM	#76
Pentaxor Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,513	Originally posted by gazonk Yes, that's a valid reason (except that it gives you less DOF, not more ) what I meant by more, is because you can get more shallow DOF.

10-26-2010, 09:35 AM	#77
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	In regards to DoF: How much/little do you need? How much is too much and how narrow is to narrow? 85mm lens on a 5D - f/2 & 12' of distance = 8.6" DoF 55mm Lens on a K-7 - f/2 & 12' of distance - 13.1" DoF. That 5"s is not going to make a significant difference for the vast majority of subjects.

10-26-2010, 04:10 PM	#78
ll_coffee_lP Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,972	Originally posted by jonny1986 the k20 k7 k5 are all pro camera as good as d700..it0's not the camera that makes a pro it's the man behind...and your gallery show exactly my point. While I didn't check the gallery I can equivocally tell you that the K10/K20/K7 (I've never held a K-5) are not even in the same ballpark as the D700. The responsiveness and speed (outside of shooting speed, I mean speed of everything) leaves the Pentax offerings in the venerable dust. That is simply a fact. Pentax do not make a professional camera (I'm not going to get into an argument about the 645D), they make enthusiast cameras and they are amazing at what they do. Until they have a full lens line and a support infrastructure for their users that will all they will be. Can you take great pictures with a Pentax? Of course you can (I started my business using Pentax), but don't for a second think that the K line and the D700 are the same league, because they are not. c[_]

10-26-2010, 04:39 PM	#79
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667	Originally posted by ll_coffee_lP While I didn't check the gallery I can equivocally tell you that the K10/K20/K7 (I've never held a K-5) are not even in the same ballpark as the D700. The responsiveness and speed (outside of shooting speed, I mean speed of everything) leaves the Pentax offerings in the venerable dust. That is simply a fact. The K-5 now leaves the D700 in the dust(yes its true). It does this in DR, and low light performance where the D700 has long reached its theoretical limits. Call it what you will, but the D700 is more along the lines of a brick in contrast to the efficiency that comes from K-5 camera. I guess in this sense, we could say the K-5 runs circles around the D700 Perhaps if it wasn't so big and heavy, it would have a chance? Anyways, I'll be throwing mine in the trash just as soon as I receive a K-5 this spring.

10-26-2010, 06:00 PM	#80
ll_coffee_lP Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,972	Originally posted by JohnBee The K-5 now leaves the D700 in the dust(yes its true). It does this in DR, and low light performance where the D700 has long reached its theoretical limits. Call it what you will, but the D700 is more along the lines of a brick in contrast to the efficiency that comes from K-5 camera. I guess in this sense, we could say the K-5 runs circles around the D700 Perhaps if it wasn't so big and heavy, it would have a chance? Anyways, I'll be throwing mine in the trash just as soon as I receive a K-5 this spring. now that's funny! Let me know if you are gonna "throw" your D700 in the trash. I'll be more than happy to take that piece of garbage off of your hands... c[_]

10-26-2010, 08:04 PM	#81
Pentaxor Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,513	Originally posted by JohnBee The K-5 now leaves the D700 in the dust(yes its true). It does this in DR, and low light performance where the D700 has long reached its theoretical limits. Call it what you will, but the D700 is more along the lines of a brick in contrast to the efficiency that comes from K-5 camera. I guess in this sense, we could say the K-5 runs circles around the D700 Perhaps if it wasn't so big and heavy, it would have a chance? Anyways, I'll be throwing mine in the trash just as soon as I receive a K-5 this spring. I'll gladly take it from you for $100.

10-27-2010, 07:18 AM	#82
dylansalt Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Durban, South Africa Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,052	Well I'm sure then that there will be 100's of 2nd hand D700's and 5D MK11's for next to nothing on the market soon - as their users will be throwing them in the trash with their exodus to Pentax;-)

10-29-2010, 04:53 PM	#83
Quicksand Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Ohio (formerly SF Bay Area) Posts: 1,519	Originally posted by jogiba The Sony A77 will be released by mid 2011 because Sony needed time to develop an almost perfect camera. Haha, what have they been doing up to now -- just throwing stuff out the door to see what happens?

10-30-2010, 10:47 AM	#85
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667	Originally posted by Rite ================================== Where the D7000 TRUMPS the K5 is that it does continuous AUTOFOCUS in video @ 1080P. That if does...

10-30-2010, 12:48 PM	#86
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by Rite ================================== Where the D7000 TRUMPS the K5 is that it does continuous AUTOFOCUS in video @ 1080P. ] Looking at the speed of focus in live view, Pentax could fairly easily add that as a feature. The issue is that it tends to hunt a lot when used with video. You can see that in some of the road scenes on this video, where clearly the camera is trying to re focus. In that particular situation, manual focus would have likely worked better. Also, this particular video has most of the actual camera focusing situations cut out. I still would like to see Pentax add auto focus to video, with the caveat that it won't look nice in many situations and will add a lot of extra noise to video when used with non SDM lenses.

10-30-2010, 12:56 PM	#87
Rite Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Photos: Albums Posts: 337	Originally posted by JohnBee Originally posted by Rite ================================== Where the D7000 TRUMPS the K5 is that it does continuous AUTOFOCUS in video @ 1080P. That if does... __________________ *Click here to see the No. 1 reason why I will be buying a K-5 this year!* ================================= Fine. But honestly, how often do you shoot over 800 ISO?

10-30-2010, 12:58 PM	#88
Rite Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Photos: Albums Posts: 337	Originally posted by Rondec Looking at the speed of focus in live view, Pentax could fairly easily add that as a feature. ================================== Coulda, shoulda, woulda? Why DIDN'T they? :ugh:

10-30-2010, 01:05 PM	#89
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by Rite ================================= Fine. But honestly, how often do you shoot over 800 ISO? I think a lot of people talk negatively in the past about high iso because it really hasn't been that good. This has been full frame territory till very recently and if it doesn't look good, who will use it? Clearly if dynamic range suffers, colors look bad and noise crops up, no one wants that. I wish I could shoot more at iso 3200 to 6400. Considering that there are many times that flash is intrusive and yet I can't get shutter speeds that eliminate subject motion, I would use it more if it looked good. I certainly would use it more than I would ever use auto focus in video on an SLR. Who knows what Pentax will add in firmware with regard to auto focus? I certainly don't, but I do know that those who shoot professionally don't use autofocus in video mode. You could ask the same question about why Pentax didn't have more frames available in its buffer that they have just made available through firmware. It seems clear that Pentax rushed the camera to market and have been adding features to it until the last second.

10-30-2010, 03:43 PM	#90
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by Rite Where the D7000 TRUMPS the K5 is that it does continuous AUTOFOCUS in video @ 1080P. AFAIK, D7k users in Nikon forums consider the continuous AF in video a marketing gimmick which doesn't prove useful in real life. The K-5 CAF could do better though if Pentax lowers their requirement for released features. But maybe, it isn't a bad thing they don't