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09-17-2010, 01:46 AM   #1
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Schneider-Kreuznach tilt and shift lenses

New tilt and shift lenses annouced by Schneider-Kreuznach from Germany for the Photokina 2010.

Source : photoscala.


  • PC-TS Super-Angulon 2,8 / 50 mm HM
    with connections for Canon EOS, Nikon, Sony Alpha, Pentax K
    Price about 2 800.00 €
  • PC-TS Makro-Symmar 4,0/90 mm HM
    with connections for Canon EOS, Nikon, Sony Alpha, Pentax K
    Price about 2 700.00 €
  • PC-TS Apo-Digitar 5,6/120 mm HM Aspheric
    for Mamiya / Phase One
    Preis about 3 900,00 €



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Hmmmm... too bad they didn't think about architecture photography and came out with a 10mm or something...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Spag Quote
Hmmmm... too bad they didn't think about architecture photography and came out with a 10mm or something...
10mm I think that will be hard but a wide one would be cool.
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If you thought that the Hartblei/Carl Zeiss Super Rotators were outrageously priced.... jeez.

Frankly, I can't see how the 35mm lenses (the 50mm and 90mm) can outperform their Canon/Nikon counterparts to justify the cost difference. The only potentially interesting one is the Apo-Digitar, because it'll cover 645. But at 4000€, it better seriously outperform other, cheaper medium format options, including Hasselblad Flex/ArcBody, Zörk tllt/shift adapters, Hartblei's Hartblei Cam, (and the discontinued 45/3.5 and 55/4.5 Super Rotators).

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A pity the 120mm isn't available for Pentax 645, that would be a very welcome addition IMO.
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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
A pity the 120mm isn't available for Pentax 645, that would be a very welcome addition IMO.

For $6000US?


Think of this setup: Hasselblad/Carl Zeiss CF Makro-Planar 120mm F4 ... said to be one of the best in that range.... can be had used for $1K.

Then, get a Zörk Pro Shift Adapter and a Multi Focus System. The two together will run you another $1K.

Zork

Then you can mount the Makro-Planar on your 645D.

Perhaprs the Apo-Digitar will have better IQ (it being APO should help a lot). But would it justify the $4,000US difference? I seriously doubt it.

[EDIT] I just realized that with the small difference between 645 and 6x6, there's a good chance that movements will be much more limited with the above setup than with the Schneider, which will at least do 8˚ tilt and 12mm shift. Still, there will probably be large format lenses with much bigger image circles that will fit the bill, and of course Pentax 67 lenses aren't too shabby, either[/EDIT]

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I'm glad I just bought a Ukrainian Hartblei 65mm... I already found that expensive (current prices are much higher compared to when it was still in production), but this is crazy. Good thing though, when I read the title I feared the Hartblei purchase might have been a mistake...

I agree about the missing lens for architecture, or at least on APS-C. I have the widest available shift lens for Pentax, i.e. the K28/3.5 Shift, but its 28mm isn't really wide enough, not even close. Actually, for me, this is the only lens that would really benefit from a Pentax 135format DSLR if I were ever forced to make that move...

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Why no wide angle?

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QuoteOriginally posted by Douglas_of_Sweden Quote
Why no wide angle?
Based on the names I'd guess that these lenses were originally made for medium format (Hasselblad/Phase One) and even large format cameras. This means that Schneider simply does not have optical designs which are (extreme) wideangle on fullframe or APS-C.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Asahiflex Quote
Based on the names I'd guess that these lenses were originally made for medium format (Hasselblad/Phase One) and even large format cameras. This means that Schneider simply does not have optical designs which are (extreme) wideangle on fullframe or APS-C.
+1

Same deal with the Hartblei/Carl Zeiss Super Rotators, where 40mm is the widest angle. The 80/2.8 is pretty much the same lens as hasselblad/zeiss 80/2.8, and the 120/4 is pretty much the Makro-Planar for medium format. I bet the 40/4 is pretty much the same as the current Distagon 40/4.
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I'd love for Pentax or a third party manufacturer to 'just' make a tilt adaptor (or T/S) for K mount, that takes any legacy MF Pentax glass. Match it to something wide by all means, but let the end user decide what creative uses they could find from a variety of focal lengths.
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QuoteOriginally posted by openyourap Quote
I'd love for Pentax or a third party manufacturer to 'just' make a tilt adaptor (or T/S) for K mount, that takes any legacy MF Pentax glass. Match it to something wide by all means, but let the end user decide what creative uses they could find from a variety of focal lengths.
But you would need an evil camera with a short register distance where you can put that adapter.
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Prices seem a lot resonable compared to Hartblei Superrotator 120mm F4 Makro
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But you would need an evil camera with a short register distance where you can put that adapter.
I don't think so: register distance from 645 is bigger so it should be possible to put those on a k mount and still keep infinity focus ability
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